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Friday, September 22, 2017

Jeter Cleans House Via Remote Control

Derek Jeter doesn’t even own the Marlins yet, but he already has informed the team that he plans to fire two special assistants who are in Baseball’s Hall of Fame (Andre Dawson and Tony Perez), the manager who led them to the 2003 World Series championship (Jack McKeon), and the player known as Mr. Marlin (Jeff Conine), according to two MLB sources.

And here’s the twist: Jeter asked Marlins president David Samson to fire those four Marlins luminaries for him, because Jeter didn’t want to do it.

Even more strange: Jeter made the request after telling Samson what he already knew: that Samson would not be returning as team president.

I wonder if they received gift baskets?

Bote Man Posted: September 22, 2017 at 08:46 PM | 34 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: douchebag, firings, front office, jeter, marlins

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   1. Bote Man Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:38 AM (#5537280)
The new Jeter-led ownership group needs to save money wherever possible and these guys had to cost thousands of dollars!!
   2. Leroy Kincaid Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:39 AM (#5537287)
And here’s the twist: Jeter asked Marlins president David Samson to fire those four Marlins luminaries for him, because Jeter didn’t want to do it.


Is that unusual? Do owners tend to fire relatively low-level employees personally?


Even more strange: Jeter made the request after telling Samson what he already knew: that Samson would not be returning as team president.


One of my "superiors" at work told a story about when he was with another institution he was instructed to hand out numerous layoff notices to employees. He was then given one after completing the unpleasant task.
   3. Batman Posted: September 23, 2017 at 11:10 AM (#5537292)
Jeff Conine's name didn't register at first, so I imagined a meeting with Andre Dawson, Tony Perez, Jack McKeon, and a guy in the Marlin version of a Mr. Met costume.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 12:41 PM (#5537310)
Stay classy Jetes!
   5. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 23, 2017 at 01:07 PM (#5537315)
If true as reported, that's very lame.
   6. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 23, 2017 at 01:17 PM (#5537321)
To be replaced by new special assistants to the owner Mariah Carey, Scarlett Johansson, and Jessica Alba.
   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 01:32 PM (#5537329)
Clearing the way for the next cohort of baseball legends in the Marlins front office: Andy Pettitte, Jorge Posada, Bernie Williams, and Mariano Rivera.
   8. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: September 23, 2017 at 02:17 PM (#5537344)
Why do I have a feeling that in a couple of years, the 17 Marlins fans who are left will be longing for the halcyon days of Jeffrey Loria.
   9. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: September 23, 2017 at 02:35 PM (#5537350)
Not if he can hire away Gary Denbo from the Yankees. Denbo has revitalized the Yankees minor leagues by churning out useful players. Not the big name prospects but a guy like Chance Adams went from a reliever to the team's best pitching prospect seemingly overnight.
   10. McCoy Posted: September 23, 2017 at 03:44 PM (#5537381)
Re 6

Who are three people with less range than Jeter, Alex.
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 03:52 PM (#5537384)
Not if he can hire away Gary Denbo from the Yankees. Denbo has revitalized the Yankees minor leagues by churning out useful players.

Yeah, like the Yankees are going to be outbid by the Marlins. Why would Denbo want to work for Jeter (who he is massively more qualified than) instead of for a real GM? If Denbo were to go to Miami, he'd want Jeter's job.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 23, 2017 at 04:20 PM (#5537408)
None of these people had a significant baseball operations role, they were community ambassadors & special assistants to Samson. McKeon is 87 for gosh sakes. No particular reason to keep them. And it's only common courtesy to inform them now, even if the transfer is another month away. Seems like the proper protocol was for the new owners to inform the current team president, which was what was done here. The criticism and snark seems unwarranted.
   13. fra paolo Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:03 PM (#5537427)
So there have been two stories out about the new ownership group, both of which have given me cause for concern. I am only a local, not a proper fan, but these sort of moves aren't going to convert me into a fan.

Perez and Conine go back a long way with the organisation, and they could at least have been 'retired' as 'special assistants (emeritus)' or something.
   14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:10 PM (#5537429)
None of these people had a significant baseball operations role, they were community ambassadors & special assistants to Samson.

So why not just keep them in that role?

I'm kind of looking forward to Jeter embarrassing himself in Miami; which he will do if he's given real decision making authority. He has to be the least qualified GM to be hired in quite some time.
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:24 PM (#5537434)
Re 6

Who are three people with less range than Jeter, Alex.


Well played, sir! (Although that's slighting SJ to a degree).
   16. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:43 PM (#5537441)
'm kind of looking forward to Jeter embarrassing himself in Miami;


That's because losers don't want to win, losers want winners to lose.
   17. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:44 PM (#5537443)
So why not just keep them in that role?

Are they any good at it? Perez never played for the Marlins, and I almost said the same about Dawson before noting his ~ 300 ABs spread over 2 seasons of negative WAR. McKeon is 87, and while he may be a nice guy, should he get a no-show job forever? I don't think there is any compelling reason to keep the Marlins vaunted community relations staff that hasn't done anything to improve attendance. Put the money into something more related to improving the team or the fan experience. Moaning & groaning about not renewing these guys is silly. It's a minor decision that doesn't say much about whether the new ownership will be more successful than the prior regime.
   18. McCoy Posted: September 23, 2017 at 05:48 PM (#5537444)
Re 15. The female Keanu Reeves? I don't think so.
   19. fra paolo Posted: September 23, 2017 at 06:20 PM (#5537461)
Moaning & groaning about not renewing these guys is silly. It's a minor decision that doesn't say much about whether the new ownership will be more successful than the prior regime.

The prior regime delivered one world championship; the original regime another. This new lot have some bigger shoes to fill than one will find in Detroit, Los Angeles or Baltimore, over the same time period.

Perez joined the organisation during their first season. It doesn't matter whether or not he played for the team. He later managed the club briefly, and has been a regular 'ambassador' to the fan community for a couple of decades.

Moaning and groaning is far from silly; this gesture sets the tone, and the tone so far is 'Cut salary! The past is worthless!' Maybe they can forfeit and return the world championships while they are at it.

EDIT: Perez was hired with great optimisim. From the AP story of June 1993:
Perez...will use his Latin charm to attract interest from the large Hispanic population in Dade as well as Latin America....
"Tony will help us embrace our local Hispanic population and help us to become the team of the Americas," said Don Smiley, vice president of sales and marketing for the Marlins.
   20. No longer interested in this website Posted: September 23, 2017 at 07:43 PM (#5537496)
Is that unusual? Do owners tend to fire relatively low-level employees personally?


Jeter played for one: Mr. Stienbrenner.

Steinbrenner fired and hired a lot of people, and of course he loved letting people know that their job was tenuous. A former colleague of mine who worked in public relations for Steinbrennber told me a story. After he was promoted to a new position, Steinbrenner called him to his office and asked him lots of questions about his personal life and what he liked to do outside of the Yankees. George wanted to know how often my friend would be in his office. My friend was trying to explain how he hoped to have a long career in baseball with the Yankees. After hearing this, Steinbrenner was silent for what seemed like an eternity, and then he looked directly at my friend and said "Don't buy a house."
   21. DEFCON: jive Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:10 PM (#5537502)
Who are three people with less range than Jeter, Alex.


Mariah Carey actually has tremendous range for a pop singer. I don't know how that stacks up against classical vocalists, though.
   22. dejarouehg Posted: September 23, 2017 at 08:12 PM (#5537504)
Steinbrenner fired and hired a lot of people, and of course he loved letting people know that their job was tenuous. A former colleague of mine who worked in public relations for Steinbrennber told me a story. After he was promoted to a new position, Steinbrenner called him to his office and asked him lots of questions about his personal life and what he liked to do outside of the Yankees. George wanted to know how often my friend would be in his office. My friend was trying to explain how he hoped to have a long career in baseball with the Yankees. After hearing this, Steinbrenner was silent for what seemed like an eternity, and then he looked directly at my friend and said "Don't buy a house."


Another example of why this guy was such an assho**. Such revisionist history by Yankees fans when they celebrated his ownership reign at his death.
   23. TVerik, who wonders what the hell is "Ansky" Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:29 PM (#5537535)
I don't know any Yankee fans who didn't think he was a big jerk, particularly ones who were fans during the Eighties.

   24. Leroy Kincaid Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:42 PM (#5537538)
Another example of why this guy was such an assho**. Such revisionist history by Yankees fans when they celebrated his ownership reign at his death.


Dying is one of the best PR moves.
   25. John Northey Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:52 PM (#5537542)
As a Jays fan I loved Steinbrenner. Without him the Jays don't win in 1985 (Doyle Alexander being paid by the Yankees while pitching for the Jays, Yankees dumping Yogi Berra as manager very early on in '85 and the normal chaos of that era - in a race that ended with 2 games between the two teams every move mattered a lot). Also his style I suspect made it easier for the Jays to take Pat Gillick away from them and then for Gillick to steal Fred McGriff from them.
   26. Bote Man Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:56 PM (#5537544)
Maybe they can forfeit and return the world championships while they are at it.

Not so fast! I'm sure they could melt down those World Series trophies and sell the precious metal from them to make bank.
   27. PreservedFish Posted: September 23, 2017 at 09:58 PM (#5537545)
These guys didn't have real jobs.
   28. BDC Posted: September 23, 2017 at 10:29 PM (#5537557)
I really thought this would be a Roomba thread :(
   29. McCoy Posted: September 24, 2017 at 08:31 AM (#5537633)
Re 21. Have you seen her on stage? She doesn't move.
   30. McCoy Posted: September 24, 2017 at 08:33 AM (#5537634)
The thing is Steinbrenner liked to collect talent. The Yankees were notorious for not allowing their staff to interview for other teams and the brain trust he assembled in the early 90's he kept around forever.
   31. RMc's Unenviable Situation Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:17 AM (#5537644)
Dying is one of the best PR moves.

Hey, it worked for Elvis.
   32. Nero Wolfe, Indeed Posted: September 24, 2017 at 10:36 AM (#5537646)
The thing is Steinbrenner liked to collect talent. The Yankees were notorious for not allowing their staff to interview for other teams and the brain trust he assembled in the early 90's he kept around forever.


Unless you were a manager.
   33. The Duke Posted: September 25, 2017 at 05:56 AM (#5537901)
Jeter asked George Costanza to do the dirty work.
   34. Bote Man Posted: October 04, 2017 at 09:02 PM (#5544676)
Some light reading while the Diamondbacks pwn the Rockies:

Jeter Is Trying To Make Amends After Icon Firings

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