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Tuesday, May 28, 2013

Jim Deshaies: Crystal (Cubbie) Blue Persuasion

Hey…at least it ain’t I Think We’re Alone In Last Place Now

So what lies ahead for Starlin Castro? It is decidely so? Outlook not so good? The easy out for the 8-ball would be “reply hazy – try again later.” But I’m going to go with “signs point to yes”. And the sign I’m pointing to is the great Alan Trammell.

Like Castro, Tram came to the big leagues at a very young age. He played 19 games for the Tigers at the age of 19 in ’77. The next season, as a twenty-year-old,  he became the everyday shortstop in the Motor City. He hit .268 with 2 home runs and had an on-base % of .335 and a .357 slugging average. In Starlin’s age 20 season, his rookie year, he hit .300 with 3 HRs and had a .347 on base and a .408 slugging %. Castro has now played in 495 big league games and compiled these averages: .294/.333/.420. He’s hit 30 jacks and stolen 60 bases in 91 tries. He has done this in 1996 at bats.

Trammell through his age 23 season had played in 550 games and had 1903 at bats. His line? Good question: .275/.347/.356. Tram had hit 19 long balls by then and stolen 42 while being caught 30 times. So, the comparison has merit. Trammell ended up being a very good offensive shortstop with 185 career home runs. However, he didn’t have his first double digit dinger season until 1983, his 6th full campaign. It takes a while for power to develop for many young players. It goes hand in hand with plate discipline and waiting for a pitch you can drive as opposed to something you can just put in play. I suspect in the next couple of seasons we’ll see the power numbers start to climb for Castro to the point where he will become a perennial 20-25 home run threat. “Just hang on here” you cry, what about defense? A shortstop has to be a good defender doesn’t he? Well, of course he does. Let’s shake that magic 8-ball one more time….it’s spinning and spinning……………. “reply hazy – try again later”.

Repoz Posted: May 28, 2013 at 12:46 PM | 24 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 28, 2013 at 01:11 PM (#4453698)
He's definitely been less fun to watch the last season and two months, that's for sure. The guy still shows flashes of being something special (relative to the defensive position he plays, albeit not for defensive reasons), but he's looking more like a guy who will insist on swinging his way on to the tune of a really low OBP and not much power, to say nothing of his mental shortcomings with the glove.
   2. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 28, 2013 at 01:33 PM (#4453744)
Age 24 seems to be a very common age for HOF-level shortstops to put it together and really kick their careers up a notch. Trammell's OPS+ thru age 23 was 94, and he then put up a 97 at age 24 before hitting it big at ages 25-26 (138, 136). Yount was at 89 thru age 23, 130 at age 24; Jeter was at 101 thru age 23, 127 at age 24; Larkin was 81 thru age 23, 119 at age 24. Castro doesn't turn 24 until next spring.

I'm not suggesting the most likely outcome is that he makes the jump to a 120 OPS+ guy next season, but he's still extremely young and just because he hasn't progressed for the last couple of years doesn't mean he's doomed to never progress for the rest of his career.
   3. zonk Posted: May 28, 2013 at 01:56 PM (#4453776)
He's definitely been less fun to watch the last season and two months, that's for sure. The guy still shows flashes of being something special (relative to the defensive position he plays, albeit not for defensive reasons), but he's looking more like a guy who will insist on swinging his way on to the tune of a really low OBP and not much power, to say nothing of his mental shortcomings with the glove.


The really frustrating part is that the scouting reports on Castro since he signed raved about his 'coachability'... He was a kid who supposedly took instruction well and improved on his game. He's a special talent, but this far into his career -- that sounds more and more like wishful thinking or hope projection. He's basically the same player he was his rookie year -- a rangy SS prone to mental miscues, while on the offensive side - he's got the skills to be more than just a plus offensive player, but his plate discipline remains atrocious and MLB pitchers quickly learn how to get talented, but stubborn hitters out consistently.

I'm not saying the Cubs should put him on the block or anything, but frankly -- I wouldn't be averse to listening to offers. If he's gonna top out as Gary Templeton - I think I'd prefer to get something out of him while the projection shine is still there if I could rather than settle for an "Oh well, at least we have a frustratingly cromulent SS for the next decade."

   4. Brian C Posted: May 28, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4453784)
"I'm not saying the Cubs should put him on the block or anything but I'd prefer the Cubs trade him."

Honestly...
   5. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: May 28, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4453785)
I don't think the kid has it upstairs, and I doubt it gets much better from here. Hope I'm wrong.
   6. Kiko Sakata Posted: May 28, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4453788)
The really frustrating part is that the scouting reports on Castro since he signed raved about his 'coachability'... He was a kid who supposedly took instruction well and improved on his game. He's a special talent, but this far into his career -- that sounds more and more like wishful thinking or hope projection. He's basically the same player he was his rookie year


Maybe the problem isn't with how well he's taking the instruction, maybe the problem is with the instruction itself. Watching from the outside, I've been pretty unimpressed with Dale Sveum the last two years.
   7. asinwreck Posted: May 28, 2013 at 02:07 PM (#4453794)
I thought amphetamine use had been prohibited?
   8. zonk Posted: May 28, 2013 at 02:10 PM (#4453799)
"I'm not saying the Cubs should put him on the block or anything but I'd prefer the Cubs trade him."

Honestly...


What's wrong with listening to offers?

I'm not looking to run him out of town, but if someone came at me with a blockbuster - and Castro's reasonable contract and team control means any team should be able to get on it - what's the harm in looking?

He's in his 4th MLB season, coming up on 500 games and 2000 PAs at the big league level... and near as I can tell -- there's not one single aspect of his game where you could say he's improved. His pitch selection and plate discipline have regressed, if anything. The power hasn't developed. His defense remains erratic. He's a subpar baserunner.

I was a very much a Starlin defender last year - McCoy and I went 'round on him a few times - but at this point, I'd expect to see some progress in his game somewhere. It would be one thing if perhaps his D had stabilized at the cost of standing still at bat, but nothing's progressed.

It's fast approaching the point where projections become wishcasting and you have to just accept that he is what he is. At the price they're paying him, the Cubs are probably getting their money's worth -- but if there's another team out there that still thinks he can be a 5 WAR player, well, if they're willing to compensate me in trade at that level, then I listen to the offer.
   9. Comic Strip Person Posted: May 28, 2013 at 03:28 PM (#4453888)
Zonk, I think the view of Castro you're espousing here is heavily shaded by Castro having two pretty poor months here at the start of the year. At that point, I think you're doing the opposite of what used to drive me nuts about Dusty Baker - when he would take a players absolute peak, and continue to talk about that as if it was his true talent level, even when that peak was years in the past.

This year, I can't disagree with any of your critiques of Castro. But what about the second half of last year, when Castro suddenly walked 7.3% of the time over 300+ PAs? That was 57 point of On-base, and iso slugging of 165. That's only a small improvement in his walk rate from when he arrived (and his plate discipline is the area that frustrates me the most, too), but his iso as a rookie was 108. Using his rookie year ABs, that would have been another 27 bases - or, 9 singles turned into HRs.

Of course, we're not seeing that this year. We're seeing Shawon Dunston-like waving at out of the zone crap, and the frustration is growing for everyone. I think Castro's game has grown, but inconsistently. He's got more power, but his approach seems as immature as ever, and he doesn't seem to recognize that pitchers are exploiting it more. What we're seeing is more like splinter skills, rather than a uniformly developing approach to the game. It would seem like Castro should be beyond that by now, and maybe that's all he's ever going to be. But it's not quite right to say that there's been no progress.
   10. zonk Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4453920)
Zonk, I think the view of Castro you're espousing here is heavily shaded by Castro having two pretty poor months here at the start of the year. At that point, I think you're doing the opposite of what used to drive me nuts about Dusty Baker - when he would take a players absolute peak, and continue to talk about that as if it was his true talent level, even when that peak was years in the past.

This year, I can't disagree with any of your critiques of Castro. But what about the second half of last year, when Castro suddenly walked 7.3% of the time over 300+ PAs? That was 57 point of On-base, and iso slugging of 165. That's only a small improvement in his walk rate from when he arrived (and his plate discipline is the area that frustrates me the most, too), but his iso as a rookie was 108. Using his rookie year ABs, that would have been another 27 bases - or, 9 singles turned into HRs.

Of course, we're not seeing that this year. We're seeing Shawon Dunston-like waving at out of the zone crap, and the frustration is growing for everyone. I think Castro's game has grown, but inconsistently. He's got more power, but his approach seems as immature as ever, and he doesn't seem to recognize that pitchers are exploiting it more. What we're seeing is more like splinter skills, rather than a uniformly developing approach to the game. It would seem like Castro should be beyond that by now, and maybe that's all he's ever going to be. But it's not quite right to say that there's been no progress.


I don't wholly disagree -- and I'm trying to be very careful about becoming one of those "there's no true believer like the convert" types in looking at Castro...

The slash line results weren't wholly there, but his August was pretty solid and his September was where one would look for hope...

Especially with a young player, it gets awfully hard to separate the wheat (real progress) from the chaff (sample variance) -- but I was really hoping to see him build on those last two months of 2012, even if the results weren't there on the surface. Unfortunately, his April and May have looked like - if not worse - than last year's April and May.

There are other possibilities, of course -- for better or worse, I'm sure Castro feels at least some pressure that this is "his" team now. He just signed a long-term deal as well.

Another thing I was wondering about before looking -- it felt like Castro had bounced around the order quite a bit, but looking it up on BBREF, it appears I'm misremembering (or maybe that it just so happens I've watched every game where he hasn't batted 2nd and extrapolating something from that).

Again - I don't want to come off sounding too impatient with him. Even if he stays stuck where he is now - the pure skills, even unhoned and unharnessed - probably make him a 2-3+ WAR player. That's probably worth his contract.

I guess I'm just saying that the old Branch Rickey maxim about it being better to trade a guy a year too early than a year too late doesn't just apply to veterans. I'm not eager to deal him - I'm just saying that if there's another team out there that still sees shiny possibilities of a 5 WAR player and they're willing to deal based on that evaluation, I'm going to be listening...

I could live with a Starlin Castro that never develops much in the way of plate discipline -- Soriano never really did and he's a HOVG player. I accept that the "ideal" offensive skillset isn't a realistic possibility for everyone.... Some guys are just free-swinging hackers, and plenty of guys have carved out ++ offensive games with that approach. I guess I'd just feel better if he 'settled down' somewhere in his game. The problem is that his baserunning and his defense seem to take the same reckless, jittery form.
   11. HMS Moses Taylor Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:06 PM (#4453926)
What's wrong with listening to offers?

Because what are you hoping to get in return? Another young, cost-controlled shortstop (or pick another position with a relatively low bar for above-averagishness) with a non-zero chance at stardom? If Baez were ready and there wasn't room for him, sure. But whether or not you're disappointed in him, he's exactly the type of player the rebuilding Cubs should be looking to *add* not *subtract*.
   12. Steve Treder Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:14 PM (#4453936)
But whether or not you're disappointed in him, he's exactly the type of player the rebuilding Cubs should be looking to *add* not *subtract*.

Exactly. For a team in the Cubs' situation, the formula is pretty simple: if a guy's upside is higher than his downside, add or keep. If not, pass or unload.
   13. Brian C Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:16 PM (#4453939)
I'm just saying that if there's another team out there that still sees shiny possibilities of a 5 WAR player and they're willing to deal based on that evaluation, I'm going to be listening...

He was a 3.6 WAR player just last year. He's still 23. You think the ship has sailed on him improving from 3.6 WAR to 5.0 WAR?

That's not a position that I think you can really defend. In fact, I'm not sure what you've got except for lazy Garry Templeton references and "OMG he swings at bad pitches!!!!!" and a bunch of lame Christina Kahrl impersonations (seriously, try to talk about young players just once without using the word "wishcasting").

But you make no sense.
   14. zonk Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:23 PM (#4453948)
Because what are you hoping to get in return? Another young, cost-controlled shortstop (or pick another position with a relatively low bar for above-averagishness) with a non-zero chance at stardom? If Baez were ready and there wasn't room for him, sure. But whether or not you're disappointed in him, he's exactly the type of player the rebuilding Cubs should be looking to *add* not *subtract*.


I'd be looking for a bushel in return...

I think one key factor here that makes me MORE willing to listen to offers is that Castro's contract is such that there really aren't any teams that would be prevented from pursuing him. It's not a Sosa situation where only a select few teams could afford him (during his salad days, when there was question about whether the Cubs would or should pony up) -- even teams like the Pirates, the Rays, et al ought to be able to afford him.

Intra-division trades being unlikely and all --

Let's say the Pirates - who have a glaring need at SS - came calling...

Let's say that they tell you you can take two of three of Heredia, Cole, and Tallion, plus either Henson, Bell, or Polanco, plus another B prospect... (i.e., 4 for 1). Now -- I'm not saying that the current regime WOULD do that, but for an established SS with significant upside signed to a contract they can afford, that doesn't seem wholly out of whack.... and I think I'd be tempted to pull the trigger on that.
   15. zonk Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:38 PM (#4453972)
He was a 3.6 WAR player just last year. He's still 23. You think the ship has sailed on him improving from 3.6 WAR to 5.0 WAR?


But he's a 23 yo now in his 4th MLB season, with 500 games and 2000 PAs under his belt. We've been through this before on other players -- but the Miguel Cabrera "breaks in young, then follows a 'standard' aging pattern to continue to improve, peaking at 27-28" is unusual. Different skillsets and whatnot, but Cabrera is the exception, not the rule. Quick searching doesn't get me the thread -- but I know someone posted some extensive lists of players who broke in at a young age (i.e., 19/20/21) -- and the norm was more that they tended to plateau/peak earlier rather than later. That doesn't mean that the ship has sailed -- it means it looks increasingly less likely that Castro is going to take a step forward. This isn't a guy going through a sophomore slump... it's a guy that's had 500 games to show some smoothening/translation of skills into results.

That's not a position that I think you can really defend. In fact, I'm not sure what you've got except for lazy Garry Templeton references and "OMG he swings at bad pitches!!!!!" and a bunch of lame Christina Kahrl impersonations (seriously, try to talk about young players just once without using the word "wishcasting").


It's not JUST that he swings at bad pitchers... It's that he does this PLUS makes a variety of mental errors (that lead to real errors) in the field and hasn't developed into much of a baserunner - I'm having a hard time remembering the last time I saw Castro take an extra base and thinking "Boy, that was some heads up baserunning", while conversely - I can easily remember the last time I watched him make a play in the field that wasn't particularly smart (and what's more, I can almost guarantee someone would have an even more recent one).

Every aspect of his game -- at the plate, on the field, and on the bases -- lacks the sort of discipline you'd want to see emerge at this point. It's just "OMG he swings at bad pitchers" -- it's "OMG, he swings at bad pitches" plus "OMG he just made another boneheaded error/had another mental lapse at SS" plus "OMG, he just ran into another out".

500 games into his career.... how many games into his career does he need to get before you're ready to say "he is what he is"?
   16. Brian C Posted: May 28, 2013 at 04:48 PM (#4453982)
I think one key factor here that makes me MORE willing to listen to offers is that Castro's contract is such that there really aren't any teams that would be prevented from pursuing him. It's not a Sosa situation where only a select few teams could afford him (during his salad days, when there was question about whether the Cubs would or should pony up) -- even teams like the Pirates, the Rays, et al ought to be able to afford him.

But so what? Most teams simply wouldn't be all that interested. They already are content enough at SS, or they don't have the assets to make it work, or they simply don't like Castro, whatever. This 29-team bidding war you're envisioning is a fantasy.

Plus, the Cubs can just say, "eh, never mind" if they don't get the blockbuster deal you want. Every team will know it. They'd have to be pretty desperate to even get in on the bidding since the Cubs have all the leverage ... and there are only a few teams (of a few) who'd fit the bill (provided any do), which gives you the same situation as with any other big trade - you're only seriously dealing with a very limited number of teams.

I think I'd be tempted to pull the trigger on that

I wouldn't. Out of that group, what are the odds that you think you'd get more than one player who down the line has more value than Castro has right now? To even entertain trading Castro, I'd want a comparable player - young, established in MLB, credible projectability, favorable contract - in return.

Oh what? There aren't a lot of guys like that out there that teams are willing to part with? Gooooooooolllllly, I wonder why.
   17. Brian C Posted: May 28, 2013 at 05:00 PM (#4453994)
Every aspect of his game -- at the plate, on the field, and on the bases -- lacks the sort of discipline you'd want to see emerge at this point. It's just "OMG he swings at bad pitchers" -- it's "OMG, he swings at bad pitches" plus "OMG he just made another boneheaded error/had another mental lapse at SS" plus "OMG, he just ran into another out".

Big deal. He's still a good player, RIGHT NOW, with the strong possibility that he'll improve to some degree. He still combines decent offense for his position with very good range in the field, which makes him a legit All-Star caliber player (and I find his fielding errors to be a small concern overall considering how many plays he makes that I'm not used to Cubs shortstops making). He's still no worse than the Cubs third most important long-term asset depending on how you feel about Rizzo and Samardzija.

Your complaint is that he hasn't fulfilled your personal hopes and dreams for him. Which is fine, as far as it goes. But that doesn't mean that it makes sense for the Cubs to punt him away.
   18. Walt Davis Posted: May 28, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4454067)
1. I don't know prospects but I think you just suggested the Pirates might trade 2 of their top 3 and another 2 of their top 10 prospects for Castro? You're not the only one who knows how to read a stat line you know. At best you get a package like the Upton deal.

2. You just don't start this talk. We see it again and again. Team considers trading its star but "don't worry, only if we get a deal we can't refuse." A month's worth of speculation later and they trade him for half he's worth. Once you openly offer a player, you're pretty much committed to trading him.

On Castro: it's way too soon to give up and the worst-case scenario is the Cubs have Garry Templeton for a number of years at a decent price. What's so wrong with Garry Templeton? OK, he didn't become a star, he wasn't worth Ozzie Smith. But his career is 8200 PA as a dead-average SS. Through age 29 he had 27 WAR, 9 WAA. You think 3 WAR SS grow on trees?

Looking at players through age 22, 80% of games at SS, min 1000 PA: Castro's OPS+ is 6th out of 34 qualifiers. He is well behind the guys ahead of him and it's not a massively impressive list behind him but Yount, Trammell, Reyes, Renteria and Andrus are all behind him. Jeter, Tejada, Nomar don't even qualify.

So shift the parameters a bit. First 3 seasons, aged 25 or younger, 1000+ PA ... he's still 11 out of 104 SS. Again, lots of very unimpressive names (Khalil Greene!) but we also pick up Larkin, Campy, Jeter, Tulo, Rizzuto, Reese and way back there Tejada. There are a ton of perfectly good SS here too -- Hardy, Rollins, Furcal, and, whaddya say Julio Franco!

The drawback of course is that freaking OBP. But even here he's 30th out of this 104. He's right behind Ernie Banks! Do you want to trade the next Mr. Cub? :-) He is ahead of Barry Larkin by OBP and Larkin was 2 years older in this comp. By SLG he's 13th.

Do folks remember Yount? He never walked a great deal either. His career line is 285/342/430, 115 OPS+. Lower offensive context for Yount but Castro is currently at 294/333/420, 103 not far off Yount's career numbers. Yount's age 22 line was 293/323/438 for a 110 OPS+; Castro's was 283/323/430 for a 102 OPS+.

I hate that he swings at everything and, yes, I take that as a warning sign that he's not going to improve substantially. But he's also still 4-5 years from his likely power peak. Barring a major offensive shift, I think I can live with a SS hitting 290/330/470 just fine. That's an OPS+ in the 110-115 range so I'd be happy with that at 3B, 2B or CF if they have to move him and, heck, it can live in LF and RF and not hurt the team.

Sure if somebody dangles the next Ozzie Smith in front of us I suppose we should jump at it. But there can't be more than a handful of non-Harper/Trout/Machado players with a better next-decade projection than Castro. Far from being a known mediocrity, he is exactly the sort of big potential player you want to trade him for.
   19. Steve Treder Posted: May 28, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4454072)
2. You just don't start this talk. We see it again and again. Team considers trading its star but "don't worry, only if we get a deal we can't refuse." A month's worth of speculation later and they trade him for half he's worth. Once you openly offer a player, you're pretty much committed to trading him.

See Diamondbacks, Arizona and Upton, Justin.
   20. McCoy Posted: May 28, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4454090)
See Garza, Matt.


There is no real reason to publicly try to trade him right now. You don't sign a player to a long term contract and then turn around and try to trade them. Not unless you want to be compared to the Marlins.
   21. zonk Posted: May 28, 2013 at 07:24 PM (#4454103)
OK, OK -- look, I submit and retract at this point...

I feel like either I've overstated my intent or folks are reading more into "listen to offers" than I intended... and this has degenerated to the point that any further argument on my part is really just trying to play contrarian.

In my mind, there are simply some players you don't even listen to offers -- the name comes up, the response is "don't bother" because you know your perceived value of a player (including projections/expectations) is such that there's no way any team would offer up something reasonable.

A year ago - Castro, and probably ONLY Castro in the entire organization - was on that list. No team would be able to put up a reasonable offer for him in my mind because I'd have been valuing him at the upper end of that projection/expectation level. Not saying I expected that, just that I felt (rightly or wrongly) Castro was a decent to good bet to reach the heights of the higher end of his projections (ZIPS, "gut", whatever).

I simply don't think that any more - I wholly recognize he has plenty of value now, and just for the record: I think he's the most valuable player in the whole organization when you take everything into account (age, contract, career performance to date, position scarcity, etc).

I am just saying that I no longer have much confidence in him reaching the upper levels of his projections - I feel like stagnating into a Renteria or Templeton seems the most likely result. I get the sense that I might be in the early boat (and we shall see - I might also be in the wrong boat) for downgrading his future prospects - and that's fine.

Castro is just no longer in that "you couldn't conceivably come up with an offer that would satisfy me" class.
   22. The District Attorney Posted: May 28, 2013 at 07:48 PM (#4454123)
FWIW, you don't always have to trade a star about whom you've listened to offers. The Mets have flirted with trading David Wright (never mind that they almost dealt him for Jose Cruz Jr. before he even got started...), but he's still around.

The personality of the player involved is presumably a factor. Wright is a total milquetoast boy scout. Most players probably have more pride/less PR savvy/however you want to put it, and will reciprocate a message that they're no longer wanted.

Also, of course, I don't know why anyone would want to emulate the Met organization in any respect.

Anyway, I'm glad we all agree that Starlin Castro is the next Alan Trammell.
   23. madvillain Posted: May 28, 2013 at 07:55 PM (#4454130)
I think it's important to remember that quite a few players don't develop linearly and that for some it's all at once. I don't think the Cubs should be actively looking to trade talented youngsters like Castro unless they are absolutely bowled over with an offer. Yea he hasn't developed as we expect players to as they age, but he's also still young enough to where he could put it all together.

edit: basically just rephrasing what #2 said, which I agree with completely.
   24. KT's Pot Arb Posted: May 28, 2013 at 11:37 PM (#4454294)
Adrian Beltre

Age 19: becomes Dodgers starting 3B
Ages 20 & 21: averages 3.6 WAR/season
Ages 22-24: averages 2.1 WAR/season
Age 25: 9.6 WAR in one season
Ages 26-30: averages 4.2 WAR/season
Ages 31-33: averages 6.8 WAR/season

Cubs fans already sound like Dodgers did in Adrian's age 24 season, Adrian hit .240, after .a .256 year, which came after a.265 year, which came after a .290 year at age 21. They were oblivious to his career high 23 dingers, and his 2nd best ever 3.6 WAR, because it was all ISO, defense and durability, things fans can't really see.

Instead they focused on his horrible hitting approach and the certainty his regression proved he would never fulfill his promise and hit MLB pitching at any decent rate. To those fans disappointment the Dodgers were unable to trade him and were stuck with one last year of .334/.388/.629 with 48 HR and stellar defense.

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