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Sunday, July 31, 2011

Jim Duquette: Some scouts amazed at the haul the Orioles brought back in Uehara deal

And from the Melewskian comments…(Chris) “Davis has an Adrian Gonzalez skill set.”

“I think the value is great,” Duquette said. “I was surprised. I have called a couple of scouts in the industry checking on what they are hearing (about deadline deals) and it was three different scouts I spoke with and they too were amazed at the haul that the Orioles brought back.

“You are talking about an eighth-inning guy in Koji and I think the Rangers are counting on his option vesting for next year. But, to get, potentially two contributers on your 25-man roster for an eighth-inning guy is a pretty good haul.”

...“Davis has had a lot of strikeouts,” Duquette stated. “But he does have a lot of power and they get a starting pitcher in Tommy Hunter. He’s a back end of rotation starter, but a good one. To get those two pieces for an eighth-inning guy is tremendous.”

...He feels that Davis will now become the Orioles top first base prospect.

“I think the potential is there for him to be better,” Duquette said. “He does have some holes in his swing. He’s a guy that needs to play on a regular basis and get 250 at-bats and work with Jim Presley and work on some of the things that Mark Reynolds has done in keeping the bat path in the strike zone a little longer.

Repoz Posted: July 31, 2011 at 02:19 AM | 15 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The District Attorney Posted: July 31, 2011 at 02:36 AM (#3889370)
I was going to joke about Duquette believing a coach could fix Davis in 15 minutes, but then I read TFE closer and it actually does say:
He’s a guy that needs to... work with Jim Presley
Ah, Jim. Never change. (BTW, I know it doesn't necessarily work like this, but jeez, check out Presley's strikeout rate in his own career.)

Hardball Talk speculated that Davis will play 3B, BTW. "Davis has also played plenty of first base, but he is the better defender at the hot corner." That explanation doesn't seem likely to me, but I still think the move would make sense... maximizing Davis' value is more likely to be important to the O's future than maximizing Reynolds'.
   2. Dan Posted: July 31, 2011 at 02:55 AM (#3889380)
I think Chris Davis is a better defender at third base than Reynolds. Although I haven't seen a ton of either player, Davis looks like he has better range and a better arm.
   3. escabeche Posted: July 31, 2011 at 02:57 AM (#3889381)
I think Uehara is a better defender at third base than Reynolds.
   4. PreservedFish Posted: July 31, 2011 at 03:12 AM (#3889391)
This is the same Chris Davis that's been on the Rangers for a few years, right? I remember him being a big sleeper fantasy pick in 2009. Weird to talk about him as a "prospect."
   5. SPICEY WITH A SIDE OF BEER ON A BABYYYYYYY Posted: July 31, 2011 at 03:16 AM (#3889397)
Davis certainly isn't a prospect, but this year he's certainly flashed an ability to play at the majors, which is more than you can say the last couple. Hunter is a guy that is a flyball pitcher with average stuff - he should be in a different park than Texas, and I could see him having a couple of solid years for the Orioles. Right handed relief pitching is exactly what the Rangers needed though.
   6. Justin T drives a crooked hoss Posted: July 31, 2011 at 03:33 AM (#3889407)
Davis sucks.
   7. JH (in DC) Posted: July 31, 2011 at 03:40 AM (#3889410)
Davis sucks.

Davis Rules!
   8. Walt Davis Posted: July 31, 2011 at 05:47 AM (#3889462)
I find myself in complete agreement with #6 and #7. Go figure.

Nice haul for the O's but with Beltre, Napoli, Young and Moreland, the Rangers simply have no use for Davis. Surprised to see Hunter (useful if not spectacular) thrown in too. Heck, would have been interesting to see the Pirates trade one of their relief arms for this.

And small sample or not, Uehera has a career 9.4/1.4 K/BB -- jiminy christmas!
   9. Jacob Posted: July 31, 2011 at 07:07 AM (#3889481)
Uehera sounds like an STD, heh...
   10. Greg K Posted: July 31, 2011 at 07:30 AM (#3889484)
I think Chris Davis is a better defender at third base than Reynolds.

I think despite the notable handicaps of being 60 years old now, a catcher, and fictional, Crash Davis would be a better defender at third base than Reynolds.

Which isn't to say he's as bad as Edwin Encarnacion, but he's still pretty bad.
   11. Ron J Posted: July 31, 2011 at 08:59 AM (#3889492)
#4 What's weird about it? He's still only 25. And in 975 AAA PAs he's hit .337/.397/.609 (including .368/.405/.824 this year. OK PCL and seemingly a good place to hit. Let's face it, you can let an awful lot of air out of those stats and still be very good).

Yes, over the same time frame in just about as much playing time he's hit .248/.300/.454 And there's a big difference in the K rates between the minors and majors. Maybe he's the second coming of Mike Stenhouse (who's the only guy I can think of who didn't hit major league pitching as well as his minor league stats suggested in an extended trial. Brad Komminsk is different in that he hit on the way up, but never really hit again after washing out), but as an Oriole fan I'm thrilled that they're going to get a chance to find out.
   12. Don Lock Posted: July 31, 2011 at 01:09 PM (#3889519)
Disappointed that the Orioles traded O'Hara to the Rangers. He was a big part of the Baltimore Irish community.
   13. escabeche Posted: July 31, 2011 at 01:17 PM (#3889521)
the only guy I can think of who didn't hit major league pitching as well as his minor league stats suggested in an extended trial.

You're an Orioles fan and you can't think of Matt Wieters?
   14. DFA Posted: July 31, 2011 at 04:18 PM (#3889605)
As much as I love Koji, he is something of a delicate flower. I'm not sure how he's going to be able to pitch for the Rangers in the Texas heat. I wonder if the Orioles valued someone who could stop the bleeding soon (Hunter) rather than a guy with a higher ceiling.
   15. Ron J Posted: July 31, 2011 at 10:18 PM (#3889890)
#13 I obviously didn't make myself clear. Stenhouse hit in the minors, failed in the majors, hit in the minors.

Weiters had 413 excellent PAs split over 2 years at AA and AAA. (to be clear though, as best I can tell not having all that much to go on is almost always a positive. Generally speaking only very good players make the majors without giving us a pretty clear read on where they are as offensive players)

He hasn't washed out and then subsequently chewed up AAA (and then washed out again). Which is the point I thought I was making by bringing Komminsk. Now Weiters isn't a good comp for Komminsk in that he's been a perfectly serviceable player while Komminsk was just terrible (with a moderately similar initial minor league career).

Don't get me wrong though. He's disappointed so far. The only thing I can console myself with in that respect is that switch-hitters often have weird career arcs. They are way more likely to be late bloomers. They're also way more likely to suddenly flame out.

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