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Actually a person like me, actually ... me ... has written precisely the opposite.
And on this very thread.
Keep knocking down those strawmen, though.
(If that doesn't work, call them a fascist.)
I'll buy your beer. I need to stock up before prices rise.
it's because of the ####### ethanol subsidies. what a ####### joke.
I ask you again... What does Marvin Miller have to do with it?
I really think you're degrading the death of this unfortunate young woman with your insistence on dragging completely sideways topics into this thread. What on earth does ARod have to do with this, either?
While her children are weeping at their mother's funeral, do you think that they'll blame Marvin Miller and, tangetally, Donald Fehr for their particular plight? Or the ARods of the world for indulging in the glut of entertainment dollars that whisk around the world today? No. They'll think of Leyritz and his blank face and his miserable excuse for a life that happened to spin out of control too violently and at the worst possible moment.
Politics is totally divorced from this subject! An awful person did an awful thing!
Look, taking a few philosophy classes doesn't make it okay to inject your personal opinion into a discussion of a tragic situation. I'm reminded of Terri Schiavo, to be frank.
the ADR for a Manhattan Hotel over this time frame was around $200. This is for every day, not just the peak days. This includes all the slow days in a week/month/year, and all the shitty hotels. I have no idea the season he stayed, but it would be very easy to pay $400 for a very average hotel in Manhattan. $220 is good deal, even for 14 days.
NYC has got to be the priciest place in the hemisphere. I'm sure there were cheaper options, but for a 2-week hotel in NYC, you're going to end up with a hefty hotel bill.
NYC and San Fransisco were neck and neck most of this century for highest ADR. They were both well ahead of the next tier (Boston/DC/Chicago)
Very true.
ethanol is proof congress has no ability at predicting what technology is a good/bad bet. these subsides will set back energy advances 10 years by creating artificial demand for an inferior technology. Diverting funds and resources towards a black hole, leaving superior and more promising technologies waiting.
Using our food supply for fuel is the height of lunacy.
I rather believe the argument was advanced above that financial worth is not equivalent to moral worth. You seem reticent to address this, insistent on believing that they are. You may wish to note that, for example, neither Jesus nor Buddha, nor Mother Teresa or Mohandas Ghandi, passed away at their summer cottage swimming in piles of gold coins.
there are many other factors at play, as well.
true. grain prices are going up and ethanol is a big reason. climate change is another--australian barley crops really took a hit b/c of climate change. and then there's the hop supply--2 years in a row of bad crops plus a fire that destroyed 250,000 lbs. this summer. it doesn't look good.
Well that's why they'll never be allowed to purchase a major league baseball team.
Yes it was, but it a non-responsive throwaway line that was swallowed up in the assertion that we must not submit that a particular activity is unworthy of the worldly compensation that inures to it.
With the current (BS) theory being peddled, warming will create much more viable farmland than we currently have.
While I don't buy man-made global warming science, you can't just sit there and tell me all consequences of this yard are all bad. the anatomy of a scam is where all news is bad/good.
Oh no you don't, this thread is about why ballplayers lack the moral qualities of team owners and are thus unworthy of their salaries. You aren't going to derail the discussion with your unrelated canards!
yeah i saw that. that doesn't hit me b/c i usually keg, but reuse my glass when i do bottle.
Which explains the real reason for invading Iraq - we need the sand.
I think that DN and I are probably at opposite ends of the spectrum on this issue. But we both think you are spewing nonsense.
I have to give you credit--I've never seen anyone combine "it's grown men playing a game and they don't deserve compensation" with "heiresses and heirs earned their money".
One quick question: Out of all of the white-collar criminals, entertainers, exploiters and snake oil salesfolks, why do athletes get picked on so much?
While I don't buy man-made global warming science, you can't just sit there and tell me all consequences of this yard are all bad. the anatomy of a scam is where all news is bad/good.
well, sure. there's going to be some new farmland in russia and canada, but do you think switching from one crop which is no longer suitable to another which is better suited--all over the world--is going to come for free? and that's just one part of climate change.
musicians and actors get picked on, too. i think it's a class thing. these guys are new money.
yeah, I don't buy all that science mumbo jumbo neither.
OF COURSE there are; that's the whole point.
I have to give you credit--I've never seen anyone combine "it's grown men playing a game and they don't deserve compensation" with "heiresses and heirs earned their money".
I didn't combine them either since I never said heiresses and heirs earned their money. Exactly the opposite, actually.
One quick question: Out of all of the white-collar criminals, entertainers, exploiters and snake oil salesfolks, why do athletes get picked on so much?
"Do you know who I am?"
Which explains the real reason for invading Iraq - we need the sand.
Nah, we have plenty of it in the lounge
you guys must have some great places to play links.
This has nothing to do with Congress making bad predictions -- though of course Congress is bad at making predictions. It has to do with socialism. (Leftists would call it crony capitalism, but that's just because they're under the mistaken impression that a government powerful enough to do whatever it wants can somehow be constrained to only do good things.) Congress is spending other people's money to get re-elected.
The issue is extreme weather, not temperature. If you have any experience with farming (which seems unlikely from your response), you realize the damage that a late frost, torrential rains, or two weeks of 95 degree drought can do to crops.
The name "global warming" is at best misleading... Who really cares if the glaciers melt, Florida and New Orleans sink beneath the ocean, and Manhattan floods? Plenty of new beachfront property in the panhandle to develop. But many of our food crops require temperate climates that are under attack.
Idaho Senator Larry Craig?
There are really two issues at work here: whether athletes deserve the money they make, and whether athletes are more likely to spend their money in destructive or at least pointless ways.
I suppose the first one is arguable, but then you have to defend the myriad other people who have earned the kind of money athletes make, which I don't think is possible. Does Steven Seagal really deserve all his money? The guy who invented "America's Funniest Home Videos"? Hank and Hal Steinbrenner? Lachlan Murdoch? Why are any of those people more deserving than Ryne Sandberg?
The other question -- aside from the fact that it's "obviously" true -- is I think even less true. Yes, lots of ballplayers blow their money on liquor and fancy rooms at the Bellagio. On the other hand, there probably aren't many putting it in tax havens in the Cayman Islands. And I'm sure there aren't any ballplayers using their fabulous wealth in order to extort even more fabulous sums of wealth from municipalities that can't really afford to give it to them.
I think you are a fraud. Clearly you are biased against my global warming opinion, as Post #111 made reference to global warming before I did--apparently that didn't bother you the least. I simply responded to that non-sense.
And Sugarbear's argument in the thread is unbelievably stupid. Do you think that professional athletes didn't drink and drive before they made millions? Or that professional athletes had no sense of entitlement before Marvin Miller came along? Or that other wealthy people don't drink and drive and have a sense of entitlement?
Leyritz made a terrible decision to drink and drive, and he should bear responsibility for that decision as well as any other laws he broke. I don't think there's much else to say here.
"Do you know who I am?"
I worked for someone who once said the exact same thing (according to another co-worker who was traveling with him). And he was not a pro athlete.
When such weighty questions are posed on this board, I generally turn to google but something tells me googling "multimillionaire kiddie porn" won't be quite as helpful.
What's the point? If you teach/heal the poor, they may get good jobs and become rich, and then they'll just blow it all on porn and strippers. If they stay uneducated and sick, then they won't steal the money from poor oppressed George Steinbrenner, and he can use it to fund... well, not teaching/healing the poor, because that's bad. Operas or something.
Not bad.
Having read #111 and failed to find any mention of "global warming" I can only conclude from your disreputable lying that you hate America and should have your children taken away.
Exactly.
The first question is easily answered - they deserve whatever the owners are willing to pay them in an environment free from collusion as provided for by the laws of the United States of America. If you don't like the system then feel free to fight to change it but know that there will be a lot of people standing against you as well.
The second question is immaterial to discussion of the first. It's certainly an interesting discussion but should have no bearing whatsoever on whether the players should be payed the money. I use most of my money to make my life and the life of my wife and kids better. I add a smaller percentage of my disposable income to charity than a lot of major league ball players. Hell, I buy booze for me and my wife and we even occasionally go to a ritzy hotel! Does that mean I should have my salary cut because I'm not spending it in a socially useful manner? Some might say so. I guess I should be glad that the people that believe that are in the minority here in the United States.
Baseball owners as a whole would have contributed more to the public good if they had never given a penny to charity, but also never asked the general populace - i.e., you and me - to build them palaces so they could make even more money for themselves.
What if the taxes would otherwise have been spent on kiddie porn, and the owner used the extranormal profits to endow a new wing of the city museum?
Those were better days. I miss them.
There's your backstory for Boogie Nights: The Sequel.
Technically, isn't eating our food supply also converting it into fuel?
Tell Mr. Tony I said hi.
"Dirk Diggler- The Early Years"
Now that you mention it, Diggler was underage in the original, so the kiddie porn angle's already been done and there's no need for a sequel.
There goes that idea right down the drain.
And some fine editing it was, especially on Julianne Moore.
Carl Lindner, philanthropist.
I read S Bear's paragraph as sarcasm directed at using what was traditionally a vehicle for improving the lot of regular folks instead to create a class of millionaire ballplayers who spend money the way people usually spend money.
No, there aren't.
I guess she has the same mix of feelings still.
(Actually, I kinda liked Insomnia, though I've never seen the original. Punch Drunk Love might have been good if it had a real actor starring. Kill Bills...bleah.)
Since socialism has historically been concerned, at least on the surface, with empowering and benefitting the working class, and since the ethanol subsidy has been of zero benefit to the working class, this would be a difficult claim to sustain. Archer Daniels Midland has received over $9 billion in subsidies through the ethanol program, so I suppose you might call it socialism for the rich, along the lines that Martin Luther King meant it.
Given how logically and well you've argued in other threads the last few weeks I suspect this is beneath you.
My wallet would be safer at a convention of whores.
Players tend to waste more of their money. Owners try to waste other people's money.
Best Regards
John
Players tend to waste more of their money. Owners try to waste other people's money.
Best Regards
John
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