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Saturday, July 26, 2008
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Yankees ace-in-the-making Joba Chamberlain and Boston’s All-Star first baseman have some bad blood in their history and the righthander’s brushback pitch in the seventh inning of Friday night’s game brought it back to a roiling boil. The 2-0 pitch put Youkilis on the deck. He sprang to his feet almost as quickly as he went down and came up screaming. Chamberlain stood on the mound unfazed and up a strike in the count because the ball struck Youkilis’ bat. Home plate umpire Marty Foster got between the two and issued a warning to both benches.
“It was right at my—- head,” Youkilis clearly said to Foster.
“He has great command until Youk gets in there,” Boston manager Terry Francona said of Chamberlain.
...Infuriated players in the Boston dugout, most notably starting pitcher Josh Beckett, shouted at Chamberlain and Foster from the top step.
“Inside? It was at his—- head,” Beckett said. “That wasn’t inside. Inside is the pitches I was throwing to Alex (Rodriguez).”
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There's no higher compliment than being whined at by a pitcher you've just outdueled.
We should start Timlin, and then just throw at somebody. THen he gets booted, and Wakefield comes in.
And hey, Wake can crank his fastball up into the lowe 70s, so watch out!
Seriously, could anyone blame Youkilis if Chamberlain is in his head? Would you want to stand in against that fastball if there's a pretty good chance it's going to be on a beeline for your rather large noggin?
Perfectly worded. The Fox intro today will be especially unbearable.
We should start Timlin, and then just throw at somebody. THen he gets booted, and Wakefield comes in.
Wok, you are my all-time Bosox fanboy. Have you ever thought of taking your act to YouTube? I'd bet you'd be on ESPN within a week.
What's that thing withe the Britney Spears dude crying? I'd do something along those lines, but I'd probably weep about either Cory Lidle or Joba's dad's crippled ass.
Joba is going to get attacked one of these times, and he's going to get teammates injured at some point, too. He's a terrific pitcher but someone---be it the manager or his teammates--is going to have to explain to him that throwing inside and intimidating guys is baseball but throwing 95+ at someone's head is assault and likely to bounce back on his own guys, too.
I really don't think he intentionally threw at him last night.
Until Youk charges the mound -- he will get thrown at consistently. Not saying it's right.
What's that thing withe the Britney Spears dude crying? I'd do something along those lines, but I'd probably weep about either Cory Lidle or Joba's dad's crippled ass.
Go for it, my man. Only you might want to draw the line about re-enacting that Lidle denouement, since I've heard they've reinforced the antiaircraft patrol along the East River.
But you can always channel Richard Widmark in Kiss of Death and push Joba's dad down the steps of a Brooklyn tenement building. That'll give us all something to talk about.
The question to ask yourself is how close their hands were to the plate on those pitches.
All inside pitches are not the same; that's a key distinction being glossed over by several here.
If I were Joba, I'd simply pull out a shank and stab Youkilis in the groin as he comes barreling down the first base line.
I await with glee the furthering escalation of kevin's scenario in this thread.
Sounds like great command to me. Throw a pitch that's impossible to hit, makes the batter wet his pants, and even get a strike out of it? Sounds ideal, the only thing he could have done better is have it deflect off the bat and into fair territory, a harmless bouncer back to the mound.
A few years after that, Jeter will rise from the dead at the hospital and resurrect Soriano. What? They already call Yankee Stadium a "cathedral".
I believe that when Jeter finally does die, that pitch will be listed as the offical cause of death.
Nice try, but Jeter can't die and Pedro's touch can only bring life.
If he did that, he wouldn't get the strikeout. This was a better plan.
Isn't that a Dave Chappelle skit?
The truth no longer matters. What matters now is that this thing gets escalated to the ugliest and lowest point possible, and for my side to minimize its own damages while doing the maximum to the opposition.
That's rational, I don't think you can combine rationality with a testosterone-fueled escalation.
reminds me of Kenneth Mars in Young Frankenstein
"people, please, a riot is a dangerous and ugly thing ... and I think it's just about time that we had one!"
I'd rather take the easy out on strike 2 than the chance he might just hit my 2 strike pitch. But that's just me.
we're seriously ignoring the ethnic slur used in this? nice job making it sound like "kiddo" though. you ####### prick.
#### the Yankees, i hope that fat #### Chamberlain ends up like all the other yankees pitching stars- overhyped and overwhelmed in the bigs.
I hope Lugo makes Joba end up like his dad.
I think you're going to be disappointed.
Possibly.
I took that as a reference to Kikkoman soy sauce, but maybe I'm naive.
I took that as a reference to Kikkoman soy sauce, but maybe I'm naive.
Wouldn't that confirm it as a racial slur?
That'd be the first time in the history of Google that the phrase has been used, then. I'm sorry if I'm mistaken, but it looks like a ####### prick statement.
I've never heard of soy sauce being an anti-Jewish slur.
Basically, I thought he liked the ring of "weak sauce" and then went with the Kikkoman reference because he was rolling with the sauce theme.
As an anti-East Asian slur - kind of like a "narrow-eyed" stereotype or the stereotype that got Fuzzy Zoeller in trouble with Tiger Woods.
In understood him to be referring to Youkilis. If that was a reference to Wok, well, surely. But that's not how I read it.
This is a bizarre non sequitur.
i'm digging that Kevin is ignoring the actual slur to get in a dig at you. i guess Kevin agrees with someone calling Youk a kike, then. about what i'd expect from the most morally bankrupt Red Sox fan on the site.
(fun diagramming game- diagram the insults from each person in a coherent flow chart!)
EDIT: Ohhh...I see where you're heading now.
One question: is kevin always like this?
I knew he was anti-Bonds and pro-Sox, but jeez he's like patron saint of fanboyism.
It's not even a dig. I live in a place awesome enough that I've never needed to learn how to drive. If, as seems likely, I end up moving to some benighted place where driving a car is a useful skill, I will learn it. If that's the best he can come up with, I must be living right.
As far as the slur on Youkilis, I see what you're saying, but I tend to give people the benefit of the doubt on things like this and, to my mind, it just kind of rolled with the "weak sauce" comment. It also would have been funny if he had said, "Weak sauce, Lea & Perrin."
yes, because soy sauce is so weak.
I think you're overthinking this. It's possible it was an ethnic slur, but I deem that fairly unlikely.
By Jove, I think you've got it.
One question: is kevin always like this?
Unfortunately...yes. Though I do enjoy his basketball commentary...for the most part. Speaking of which, kevin, what do you think of the Rose v. Beasley situation? Personally, I am lot more confident in Beasley's ability than I am in Rose's.
Lose today, and they're tied in the loss column with a Yankees team that's played with one hand behind its back all season.
Yes, but what does this have to do with Barack Hussein Obama?
70+ posts with only three from kevin? Not even close.
It could happen I guess, but it sure doesn't look like it so far.
One thing that isn't being talked about a lot is that it's looking more and more like little Stein was absolutely right to insist he be made a starter, when almost everyone (including his own GM) was pretty much calling him an idiot for doing so.
...by "almost everyone (including his own GM)" do you mean "the mainstream media"?
That seems a tad bit revisionist. The entire organization was committed to Chamberlain being a starter from the outset. But they had to limit his innings this season somehow, and starting him in the bullpen was the obvious way to accomplish that.
OTOH, I'm quite sure that Cashman did think Hank's constant blustering to the press about this was idiotic.
This is is just not true, but since this is the worst thread ever let's keep it as fact.
kikko is an ethnic slur? Does that mean Kiki Vandeweghe has been a jab at Jews (or Japanese) all along?
Let them have at it.
Kiki Vandeweghe is worse than Hitler.
There Godwin's law, can we close the thread?
This thread is kind of like a Big Mac and fries. You prefer the Filet Mignon threads, I suppose. I am glad we can have both.
This was funny:
Really, it was completely stupid of Chamberlain to throw at Youkilis. Now he's got all the Red sox attention and the Yankees are going to get their heads beat in today. When you are facing a better team, you don't want to make them angry.
Wok is good, but kev is the all-time, unchallengeable, Boston multi-sport fanboy at BTF. The Yankees have some good ones, here, too--but kevin is the man.
but i want a Le Royale with Cheese!
Perfect.
You will get that if CC Sabathia signs with KC.
The players will eventually settle this stuff on the field, probably with less violence than some here are suggesting.
Yeah, God damn those Viennese.
Edit: I'm going to assume that "Weiner" is a corruption of "Wiener."
What's wrong with pinochle? My grandmother-in-law plays pinochle. It's a decent game. It's certainly a worthier pastime than trying rile people up on the internet. Unfortunately, one needs to find at least one other person who can tolerate one's presence to play pinochle.
rLr probably doesn't pick up girls at parties. That's one of the keys to staying happily married you see. He could teach you a lot I'd bet
Nothing. It's just funny.
I agree. Beasley may implode, I guess, but he is more talented than Rose. I don't see Rose as a big star in the NBA, whereas Beasley could be.
But there is more than one way to skin a cat. If one lives in a place where automobile ownership is superfluous or, in many cases, even onerous, not knowing how to drive isn't a big deal. I also am not expert at catching fish from a coral reef, but that's not a big deal in my life, as I don't live on a south Pacific atoll. If I were to find myself on one, I would have to learn. So, too, with automobile driving.
I don't rlr. I think you live on a South Pacific atoll, you can probably get by without learning how to drive. :)
How many knuckleballers have the Yankees had pitching for them during the last decade?
Does Bernie Williams throwing from CF count?
Between him and Damon you might have one...but Damon would count for both sides. But Bernie never played alongside Manny Ramirez, who as we all know would sometimes intercept Damon's knuckleballs before they could be identified as such, thereby saving his teammate from ridicule. So we may not have known the true viability of the knuckleball in Damon's arsenal during his Boston tenure.
This is indeed a thorny one. Let's say that on days when Bernie and Damon played together in the outfield, the Yankees had a pseudo-knuckleballer on the roster, we'll call him Bonnie Wamolims. Not a true knuckleballer like Wakefield or Charlie Hough, but a guy who mixes in a pretty decent knuckler maybe 30-40% of the time. But good ol' Bonnie Wamolims only pitched for two seasons, so I think the Red Sox retain the advantage in potentially mitigating circumstances vis a vis hit batsmen.
Wakefield only led the Sox in HBP allowed a couple of times in the last 10 years.
Fair enough. Did they have cars on Gilligan's Island?
Chad Jennings
Not really surprising, but I thought there was a chance the Padres might claim him. Clears up some more space on the 40 at least.
I'd play pinochle with Mary-Ann and Ginger any time.
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