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Joe Maddon is angry with MLB over Cubs weather-impacted schedule

A stretch of bad weather has put the Chicago Cubs in a difficult position schedule wise, and manager Joe Maddon is not pleased with how Major League Baseball is handling the situation.

After taking on the Milwaukee Brewers in a critical division game Wednesday night at Wrigley Field, Maddon’s Cubs will grab their packed overnight bags for a quick trip to Washington D.C. for a makeup game against the Nationals.

The rescheduled game means the Cubs will have a stretch of 30 consecutive days in which they’re required to report to the ballpark for a scheduled game. According to Maddon, that’s a workload the league should try to avoid putting on the players, regardless of the unique and unexpected circumstances.

After this press conference, Maddon immediately started yelling at Lake Michigan, ordering it to part itself so that he could walk to Benton Harbor.

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   1. winnipegwhip Posted: September 13, 2018 at 09:59 AM (#5743443)
The solution is not be in the post-season race therefore the game wouldn't matter. Its your own actions Joe which has caused this situation.
   2. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:06 AM (#5743512)
Joe Maddon is the best Cubs manager certainly in my lifetime (Leo Durocher was managing the Cubs when I was born), possibly ever (although, without timelining, he has a ways to match the peak of The Peerless Leader, Frank Chance). And he's not exactly wrong - 30 straight days of scheduled games is a LOT. But man can Joe Maddon come off as insufferable at times. And I hate to say it, but this season is starting to have a bit of a 2004 vibe.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5743521)
How about spending that energy figuring out how to get your hitters to hit?
   4. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:12 AM (#5743522)
An 8 game win streak will change that.
   5. Howie Menckel Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:13 AM (#5743523)
"Joe Maddon is angry" is not exactly the start of a headline that will lure in a reader

"Grass is green"

"Water is wet"
   6. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:19 AM (#5743535)
Tremendously wet, now that will get people's attention.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:22 AM (#5743541)
And I hate to say it, but this season is starting to have a bit of a 2004 vibe.
Lower your voice!! You want the Optimism Police to raid this thread??
   8. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:27 AM (#5743548)
*taps nose, does that motion with my fingers pointing from my eyes to yours*
   9. Master of the Horse Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5743559)
Isn't part of this situation because the Cubs schedule was set up to be backloaded?? Seems like the Cubs have had two or more fewer games played than the Crew since forever. So when this weather went to #### the Cubs were pretty much ###### hurricane or no, right? The Brewers played something like 23 straight games for similar mid-season. That is why they had that ugly 5 gamer in Pitt that sucked. Guys were gassed. That and everyone played bad
   10. Pops Freshenmeyer Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:49 AM (#5743573)
Isn't part of this situation because the Cubs schedule was set up to be backloaded??

Yeah, that and having two rainouts in the past week. The Cubs now have one scheduled off day in the whole of September.
   11. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:04 PM (#5743583)
Cubs have been behind the Brewers in games played because of rainouts earlier in the season.
   12. Man o' Schwar Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5743591)
And I hate to say it, but this season is starting to have a bit of a 2004 vibe.

I was having that same thought last night. The late season offensive problems, the bullpen-blown games.

I don't want to go into the last weekend of the season with must win games against St. Louis.
   13. bfan Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:22 PM (#5743594)
Isn't part of this situation because the Cubs schedule was set up to be backloaded??


Yes, as everybody starts at the same time, ends at the same time, and somehow manages to get 162 games in, between those 2 end points. If there are inequities, I would think it would be east coast teams who get the western division in interleague play, and visa-versa, who, obviously do not play more games, but have more difficult travel schedules. As the cubs are in the central division, and also have 3 games "away" against the white sox, here is a hint for JM; you have it easy, so quit your complaining.
   14. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:43 PM (#5743609)
here is a hint for JM; you have it easy, so quit your complaining.

The very legitimate complaint is no off days for 30 straight days. The Cubs lost 2 regularly scheduled off days - where they had to fly to another city just for the one game - and both of their rainouts this past weekend still included being at the park the entire day (friday, they actually played an inning in the middle of 4 hours of delay; sunday the game was called nearly 4 hours after scheduled start time and they had a DH on Saturday that also had delays).

If the Cubs end up losing the division, it will because they played poorly. The lack of rest is merely a contributing factor to that, but I don't think anyone is saying it's the only, or even main, reason.

The Cubs were very unlucky with the weather this year; they had something like 5 rainouts in the first month or so. This has been coming for a long time, but this past weekend plus today's trip were just an additional unneeded kick to the groin.
   15. Howie Menckel Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:53 PM (#5743616)
good points in 13.

the Cubs have a good chance every year of having the easiest travel of any team in MLB, I would think (location, the 'away' games against the White Sox, etc.).

this year, they finally got smacked by the weather gods.
   16. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 12:59 PM (#5743620)
East coast teams have East coast teams to play against which generally means shorter commutes.

Chicago has Chicago and Milwaukee. Philadelphia has NY, NY, Baltimore, and DC.
   17. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:01 PM (#5743626)

If you're going to have a long stretch with no days off, you'd rather it come in September with the expanded rosters than any other time during the season. I agree it's not ideal, but it could be worse.
   18. Master of the Horse Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:04 PM (#5743629)
Is this really Maddon or is Maddon having to be the face of the ######## for some or more of his guys who are complaining so Joe has to make sure his guys knows he hears them and is letting the world know this is bullshit even though he gets how they got in this situation? I think Maddon has to figure why not voice this to the media before one of his players and that guy gets labeled a whiner, right?
   19. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:05 PM (#5743632)
If you want to play meaningless games I'm September be up by 10 or down by 10.
   20. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:08 PM (#5743633)
30 straight days of scheduled games is a LOT

Haven't there been teams that've played on even more consecutive days? Where can you look that up?
   21. BDC Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:10 PM (#5743636)
Master of the Horse is right in #18, this is one of those situations where a manager can be a rhetorical lightning rod. Not that Maddon isn't given to complaints in his own right :)
   22. Greg Pope Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:12 PM (#5743640)
Is this really Maddon or is Maddon having to be the face of the ######## for some or more of his guys who are complaining so Joe has to make sure his guys knows he hears them and is letting the world know this is bullshit even though he gets how they got in this situation? I think Maddon has to figure why not voice this to the media before one of his players and that guy gets labeled a whiner, right?

Except that this is giving us flashbacks to Dusty's "us vs them" mentality.
   23. Master of the Horse Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:17 PM (#5743647)
21--My cousin got to go to the first two games of the series and he learned among the Cubs fans down the left field line that Contreras is a shitty defensive catcher, the Cubs bullpen freaks them out and Maddon manages too cute. He asked them what, too cute, what's that? And they like SCREEEEAAAMM at him JUST PLAY YOUR BEST GUYS ############. And this one guy goes on this multi inning meltdown on how Maddon plays guys at four different positions and all over the lineup and that is fine in May but it's balls to the walls time so play the best in the same position and quit ####### around already. I think I got that but my cousin said he failed to capture the true beauty of the rant though the photo he sent me of this dude with his face purple totally in 28 days later mode was incredible
   24. bfan Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:24 PM (#5743651)
East coast teams have East coast teams to play against which generally means shorter commutes.

Chicago has Chicago and Milwaukee. Philadelphia has NY, NY, Baltimore, and DC.


But there is no across the country trip the cubs must make, while New York must go to the west coast, and LA to the east coast.

I feel like the facts are out there somewhere as to the distance MLB must travel every year, and I would bet that the white sox and the cubs have the shortest cumulative distance.

We start with 6 teams (cubs/sox; Yankees/Mets; dodgers/angels) who only have 78 true road games. That is a 3.7% advantage right there.
   25. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5743654)
Chicago can most certainly travel from the east coast to the west coast and vice versa.
   26. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:29 PM (#5743655)
Google mlb teams travel miles 2018. Cubs come out the best followed by the Nationals. Mariners have the longest.
   27. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:34 PM (#5743662)
Don't forget that teams' travel miles can vary quite a bit from year to year, depending on the interleague matchups. When the AL East gets the NL East it's a big difference from when the AL East plays the NL West, etc.

EDIT: But upon further checking, the West Coast teams always travel the most, while the midwest teams generally travel the least, regardless of the year.
   28. Nasty Nate Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:37 PM (#5743666)
25. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:27 PM (#5743654)
Chicago can most certainly travel from the east coast to the west coast and vice versa.
I don't think they ever schedule it that way.
   29. bfan Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:43 PM (#5743673)
Google mlb teams travel miles 2018. Cubs come out the best followed by the Nationals. Mariners have the longest.


There you go. I expect on opening day of baseball next year, a press conference by the 29 managers other than JM, complaining about this disparity, and an ESPN expose on the blatant advantage handed the Cubs. Or, the managers will just play the season.
   30. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:49 PM (#5743678)
Maddon has a fine line to walk here. I suspect Master of the Horse is right and that Maddon is being the lightning rod for a pissed off clubhouse. At the same time I think they have a legitimate complaint. It's a pretty crummy situation. There really isn't a good work around but that doesn't change the crappiness of it.

Still, as Greg notes in #22 this can be an "us vs. them" situation which is often a fine line to straddle. It can be \"#### everyone we are going to kick some ass" (think 1986 Mets) or it can just be a festering boil that overwhelms the clubhouse (think 2012 Red Sox). I don't know the Cubs' dynamics enough to have an opinion of which way this will go.
   31. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 13, 2018 at 01:53 PM (#5743681)
As long as chicken wings and beer aren't involved, the Cubs should be okay.
   32. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:20 PM (#5743716)
Haven't there been teams that've played on even more consecutive days? Where can you look that up?


Retrosheet and Baseball-Reference have team schedules / game logs. Retrosheet, at least, also has original schedules for teams as of the start of the season.

Recently, I'd be very surprised if any team has played on 30 or more consecutive days. As part of the Collective Bargaining Agreement, teams cannot be scheduled for more than 20 consecutive days. Make-ups of rain-outs are what lead to these sorts of things.

That said, the Cubs will also not play on 30 consecutive days. The reason they're playing today is because they did not play on Sunday. But they were scheduled to play on Sunday and had to sit through a four-hour rain delay before the game was called. They also officially did not play last Friday, although in reality, they played one inning before the game was canceled and rescheduled as part of a doubleheader the next day.

So, bottom line, I'm not sure how easy it would be to find a team that had to show up at the ballpark for a potential game on 30 consecutive days even if I did have the chops to parse Retrosheet or BB-Ref's game logs. But, at least with Retrosheet, it should be theoretically possible if you could somehow merge teams' original schedules with their actual games played.
   33. , Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:28 PM (#5743725)
Still, as Greg notes in #22 this can be an "us vs. them" situation which is often a fine line to straddle. It can be \"#### everyone we are going to kick some ass" (think 1986 Mets) or it can just be a festering boil that overwhelms the clubhouse (think 2012 Red Sox). I don't know the Cubs' dynamics enough to have an opinion of which way this will go.

IF they end up winning, it'll be like 1986. If they end up losing, it'll be like 2012.

And, look, I ##### about stuff at work all the time that isn't truly worth ######## about. It's what humans do.
   34. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5743737)
There you go. I expect on opening day of baseball next year, a press conference by the 29 managers other than JM, complaining about this disparity, and an ESPN expose on the blatant advantage handed the Cubs. Or, the managers will just play the season.

I don't believe the Cubs had the shortest travel schedule last year and it looks like historically the Nationals also routinely have one of the shortest travel schedules as well.

From what I have seen it goes, NL Central, AL Central, NL East, AL East, NL West, then AL West. The Mariners or occasionally the A's have the longest travel schedules.
   35. PepTech, the Legendary Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:46 PM (#5743819)
You had to get me started on this, didn't you?

Closest to Seattle: Oakland, 680 miles (technically, SF is 679, but they don't play there often). LAA is 959, TEX 1671, HOU 1892.

And those are the *close* teams.

How far does, say, CLE travel? MIN, CWS, DET, TOR, BOS, NYY, and BAL are all closer than 680 miles. KC is 695. TB is 951. TEX and HOU are significantly closer to CLE than SEA.

West Coast is good for viewing games on TV, but the thing is, by mid-August, most everybody is wiped out.
   36. bfan Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:51 PM (#5743821)

From what I have seen it goes, NL Central, AL Central, NL East, AL East, NL West, then AL West. The Mariners or occasionally the A's have the longest travel schedules.


I bow to your superior research but it occurs to be that the Marlins are tucked away in a corner about like the mariners are (and none of Atlanta; NYC; DC; or Philly are that close to Miami). SD is tucked away in a corner too, but they have short trips (kind of) to LA and SF.

This is why we can never have an MLB franchise in Bangor, Maine.
   37. McCoy Posted: September 13, 2018 at 03:53 PM (#5743822)
Marlins have it far but other teams in the East don't have it as rough.
   38. Karl from NY Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:20 PM (#5743839)
#18 is correct. Joe Maddon isn't really pissed about this, he's just keeping up the appearance of being the leader looking out for his players.

#36: SD is actually closer to Phoenix than to SF. Though neither is "close", both distances are greater than NY-Washington, each of those flights is an hour-plus.
   39. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:35 PM (#5743853)
It wasn't that long ago when nearly half the teams in the major leagues -- seven out of sixteen -- played within ~300 miles of each other.
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:39 PM (#5743855)

It wasn't that long ago when nearly half the teams in the major leagues -- seven out of sixteen -- played within ~300 miles of each other.


In the context of the entire history of mankind, sure. But by MLB standards, it was pretty damn long ago.
   41. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:47 PM (#5743863)
But by MLB standards, it was pretty damn long ago.
Plus, I think teams had to travel to road games on foot.
   42. Batman Posted: September 13, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5743871)
For most of the history of mankind, players never traveled more than 15 feet from the part of the baseball field where they were born.
   43. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: September 13, 2018 at 06:51 PM (#5743924)
It wasn't that long ago when nearly half the teams in the major leagues -- seven out of sixteen -- played within ~300 miles of each other.

In the context of the entire history of mankind, sure. But by MLB standards, it was pretty damn long ago.


Well...1952 was 66 years ago, I'll grant you. But it was the 82nd season in MLB history...and all the teams were in an envelope roughly 1,200 miles west-to-east and 400 miles north-to-south.
   44. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 13, 2018 at 07:59 PM (#5744009)
Well...1952 was 66 years ago, I'll grant you. But it was the 82nd season in MLB history...and all the teams were in an envelope roughly 1,200 miles west-to-east and 400 miles north-to-south.


And major-league baseball teams traveled by train. In 1952, the Cubs couldn't have dashed off to Washington for a day in between home series (even setting aside that they weren't in the same league - replace "Cubs" with "White Sox"); they couldn't have gotten there and back in time.
   45. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:06 PM (#5744147)
And major-league baseball teams traveled by train. In 1952, the Cubs couldn't have dashed off to Washington for a day in between home series (even setting aside that they weren't in the same league - replace "Cubs" with "White Sox"); they couldn't have gotten there and back in time.

Back before the moves to the West Coast, the leagues scheduled many more off days for travel, and when you included the more frequent rainout makeups, most teams wound up playing about 20 to 25 doubleheaders a season. Just to take a random example, the 1955 Senators played 8 doubleheaders in September alone, including once on back-to-back days.

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Plus, I think teams had to travel to road games on foot.

In the 19th and early 20th centuries, many teams did walk from their hotels to the ballpark, sometimes even in their uniforms. Much of the reasoning was that it would attract crowds.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:15 PM (#5744150)
In the 19th and early 20th centuries, many teams did walk from their hotels to the ballpark, sometimes even in their uniforms.

Did you get a lot of autographs?
   47. Batman Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:33 PM (#5744152)
And now those players are dead.

Advantage: modern travel
   48. Kiko Sakata Posted: September 13, 2018 at 11:50 PM (#5744154)
In the 19th and early 20th centuries, many teams did walk from their hotels to the ballpark, sometimes even in their uniforms.


Anthony Rizzo wore his uniform for the trip to Washington for today's game - as in, he was dressed in full uniform when he boarded the team charter in Chicago.
   49. Bote Man Posted: September 14, 2018 at 02:26 AM (#5744169)
And confirmed the limits of Axe body spray.
   50. Lyford Posted: September 14, 2018 at 08:32 AM (#5744189)
This is why we can never have an MLB franchise in Bangor, Maine.

Yeah, that's the reason...

Houlton or Machias would be even worse!
   51. RMc Has Bizarre Ideas to Fix Baseball Posted: September 14, 2018 at 09:15 AM (#5744205)
My namesake, Bill McLean, was a 19th-century umpire (and ex-boxer) who was known for getting up at 5am to walk to the ballpark. Why so early? Because McLean lived in Providence...and the game was in Boston!
   52. McCoy Posted: September 14, 2018 at 09:31 AM (#5744214)
In Baltimore I believe the few teams that stay at the Hilton walk to the park. When I was there it was only the white sox.
   53. Swoboda is freedom Posted: September 14, 2018 at 09:56 AM (#5744239)
Anthony Rizzo wore his uniform for the trip to Washington for today's game - as in, he was dressed in full uniform when he boarded the team charter in Chicago.


Almost as cool as when Zobrist rode his bike to Wrigley in uniform. Zobrist
   54. Nasty Nate Posted: September 14, 2018 at 10:04 AM (#5744246)
This is why we can never have an MLB franchise in Bangor, Maine.


Yeah, that's the reason...

Houlton or Machias would be even worse!
Hey, if Lewiston can host Muhammad Ali vs. Sonny Liston...
   55. jmurph Posted: September 14, 2018 at 10:20 AM (#5744262)
Hey, if Lewiston can host Muhammad Ali vs. Sonny Liston...

This blew my mind when I first learned about it as a kid (living not particularly far from Lewiston). And honestly it still does!
   56. Jose is an Absurd Force of Nature Posted: September 14, 2018 at 10:26 AM (#5744268)
Did you get a lot of autographs?


Autographs in those days were tough. It was hard to carry around the stone and chisel.
   57. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: September 14, 2018 at 11:38 AM (#5744358)
My Dad's High School Football team in Omaha drove a bus to Scottsbluff to play a game and immediately drove back to Omaha following the game. That's 450 miles each way. He's not impressed with this.
   58. Bote Man Posted: September 14, 2018 at 03:31 PM (#5744535)
FEET?! You had FEET??!! Why, back in MY day...
   59. bfan Posted: September 21, 2018 at 04:26 PM (#5749142)
As 14 MLB teams bravely started or continued a road trip today in a city not their own, the Chicago Cubs were strangely silent in their complaints about road travels today.
   60. Spahn Insane Posted: September 21, 2018 at 05:34 PM (#5749195)
59:

What’s your point?
   61. A triple short of the cycle Posted: September 21, 2018 at 06:58 PM (#5749229)
Almost as cool as when Zobrist rode his bike to Wrigley in uniform.

Cool video.

In his season with the A's, Johnny Damon supposedly commuted to the Coliseum via BART and skateboard.

EDIT: which doesn't make up for him sucking that year.
   62. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 22, 2018 at 03:38 AM (#5749407)
In his season with the A's, Johnny Damon supposedly commuted to the Coliseum via BART and skateboard.
If that means he rode a skateboard while hanging on to the back of a BART train, I have a newfound respect for Damon.

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