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Wednesday, March 15, 2017

Joe Maddon wants Cubs relievers ready for any situation - Chicago Tribune

Sorting out the bullpen.

Jim Furtado Posted: March 15, 2017 at 07:12 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: March 15, 2017 at 10:04 AM (#5417590)
My biggest bullpen hope -- well, team-wise of course, I hope Davis stays healthy and effective and Rondon is over the slump/arm problems that wrecked his last couple months -- is that CJ Edwards gets used in more high pressure situations.

I think that he's the closer of the future. Assuming Davis departs after this year - I would imagine the hope would be Rondon is back to being highly effective, so he's probably first in line to be the backend anchor in 2018 (his last arb year) - but I would suspect he walks after that.

I do wish the Cubs had a better LOOGY option, but as TFA notes - both Strop and Grimm have pretty good track records handling LHBs, so it's not a huge concern.

Any time you're leaning on a couple guys who had worrying injury issues the previous year (Rondon and Davis) and a 42 yo (Uehara), there's risk of course... but a nucleus of Davis/Rondon/Strop/Uehara/Edwards/Grimm has the potential to be a really good bullpen.
   2. Bote Man Posted: March 15, 2017 at 10:34 AM (#5417614)
Maddon must've read that piece about Andrew Miller being the future's past of relief pitching???
   3. Man o' Schwar Posted: March 15, 2017 at 10:55 AM (#5417636)
I'm picturing Maddon as Dennis Hopper in Speed.

"Pop quiz, hotshot. Runner on 3rd, 6th inning, none out, tie game, pull-hitting lefty up. What do you do? What do you do?"
   4. Zonk Tormundbane Posted: March 15, 2017 at 10:59 AM (#5417641)
"Pop quiz, hotshot. Runner on 3rd, 6th inning, none out, tie game, pull-hitting lefty up. What do you do? What do you do?"


Shoot the umpire.
   5. Nasty Nate Posted: March 15, 2017 at 11:23 AM (#5417657)
is that CJ Edwards gets used in more high pressure situations.
Every situation will be low-pressure compared to his most recent one...
   6. Golfing Great Mitch Cumstein Posted: March 15, 2017 at 12:46 PM (#5417711)
The headline seems to imply a much greater change in usage than is actually discussed in the article.

Rondon will be used in numerous situations, from perhaps sharing eighth-inning duties with Uehara based on matchups to even closing games when Davis has worked on consecutive days.


Nothing too crazy there and the writer still refers to an "eighth-inning" job. Just with that many possibly good relievers, a team is going to be able to use them in high leverage situations, but that doesn't mean the 7th-8th-9th inning formula is being blown up.
   7. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: March 15, 2017 at 04:48 PM (#5417927)
Was there ever any clear indication as to what the problem was with Rondon? It just seemed mysterious since he was so good before.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: March 15, 2017 at 05:17 PM (#5417956)
Yeah, Maddon's not been particularly creative in terms of bullpen usage so far. If anything, his LaRussitis gets triggered pretty easily.
   9. Stevens Posted: March 15, 2017 at 05:55 PM (#5418001)
So who breaks camp?

Lester
Arrieta
Hendricks
Lackey
Montgomery

Anderson
Grimm
Strop
Edwards
Uehara
Rondon
Davis

?

Leaving...

Contreras
Rizzo
Zobrist
Bryant
Russell
Schwarber
Almora
Heyward

Baez
Jay
Montero
LaStella
Szczur


Feel like I'm forgetting someone...
   10. Stevens Posted: March 15, 2017 at 06:09 PM (#5418013)
Eddie Butler?
   11. Man o' Schwar Posted: March 15, 2017 at 06:21 PM (#5418016)
Will they break with 8 relievers, since the starters won't likely be allowed to go super deep the first couple of weeks? Or is that offset enough by the usually larger number of off days?
   12. Stevens Posted: March 15, 2017 at 07:08 PM (#5418042)
8 relievers means La Stella goes to Iowa? More drama? Szczur has no more option years.
   13. Optimistic Moses Taylor, optimist Posted: March 15, 2017 at 07:29 PM (#5418054)
So who breaks camp?

Spamming my thoughts...

Yeah, Maddon's not been particularly creative in terms of bullpen usage so far. If anything, his LaRussitis gets triggered pretty easily.

He rightfully managed the pen differently during the season - especially when it really didn't matter that much, and the playoffs. He also was too aggressive in the playoffs, so I think it's wrong to accuse him of being too rigid.

Was there ever any clear indication as to what the problem was with Rondon? It just seemed mysterious since he was so good before.

Forearm injury. He clearly wasn't 100% after he came back. Hopefully, the offseason did him good, but we'll see.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: March 15, 2017 at 10:02 PM (#5418110)
I won't rule it out (esp in the first week or two of frequent off days) but I doubt Szczur and Almora will be on the roster together very often this year. But maybe Joe will be comfy with 7 relievers most of the year (not that there's a great choice for #13 anyway).

I think it's wrong to accuse him of being too rigid.

I wasn't aware I had accused him of anything. I said he doesn't do anything particularly innovative in bullpen usage (he doesn't) and that, if anything, he's big on matchups. Wood had 18 1-BF and 5 2-BF appearances and roughly 50/50 R/L for the season. It seems unusual to me for a RHR (maybe it isn't) but Grimm had 12 1-BF and 6 2-BF outings. All told, the Cubs had 174 GR of less than 3 outs out of 503 GR compared with the NL average of 155 out of 534. (<3 outs is the closest easy available b-r stat.)

None of that is wrong (and Grimm in particular was awesome in those short outings) but it's pretty standard, LaRussa-style usage.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: March 16, 2017 at 12:00 AM (#5418138)
Rondon is getting lit up in the WBC right now. It's ugly.
   16. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 16, 2017 at 12:44 AM (#5418142)
I do wish the Cubs had a better LOOGY option


After 108 years Cub fans finally get to whinge about the pithyness of not having a good LOOGY option. Yes, it was a long f*cking wait.

Your team is good. No team is perfect, I get that. But geez, your team is really good.

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