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Thursday, September 30, 2010
Quickie Pozquiz…
Felix may not end up leading the league in either category. Jered Weaver is only three strikeouts behind, and he will pitch Friday. Clay Bucholz is just a few hundredths behind Hernandez in ERA and he’s scheduled to go Saturday. I assume King Felix will pitch the Mariners finale on Sunday, but I guess that hasn’t been announced yet.
Anyway, I was wondering how often a pitcher who led the league in ERA and strikeouts DID NOT win the Cy Young Award. It has happened—more often than I expected to be honest.
From my quick count 19 of the 24 times a pitcher has led his league in strikeouts and ERA since 1966 (the first year they gave out Cy Young Awards to each league), the pitcher did win the Cy Young Award.
But that still leaves five pitchers who led their league in ERA and Ks who did not win the Cy Young. See if you can come up with them ... I was able to come up with one off the top of my head, and scrambled to come up with another. But I missed the other three.
Repoz
Posted: September 30, 2010 at 10:33 AM | 22 comment(s)
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1. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: September 30, 2010 at 12:08 PM (#3651821)He led the league in wins three times.
He led the league in KOs six times.
.... but Never in the same season.
1975: 22-9 243 K
Well, he has to pitch 5.1 innings and give up no runs, or go 8.1 if he gives up 1, so it's not quite as easy as Pos intimates. If he gives up 2, there's no way he can do it. Be interesting to see how generous the hometown scoring is.
Or Felix pitches, and not so well. I wonder if the M's would skip Felix in order to preserve the ERA title if Buchholz is right behind him, or let him throw to try to get one more win.
Seaver also led in ERA 3x, and wins 3X, and in 6 different seasons.
Scott Kazmir
Esteban Loaiza
Aaron Harang
Andy Benes
Jose DeLeon
Jack Morris
Floyd Bannister
Not as obscure as ERA leaders:
Steve Ontiveros
Bill Swift
Danny darwin
Scott garrelts
Joe Magrane
Alan Anderson
Atlee Hammaker
Rudy May
How and when did Dave Righetti become the 1981 AL ERA leader? Did someone find a missing IP or something which made him eligible? The famous Steve McCatty/Sammy Stewart controversy never happened?
Looking closer, he had 105 IP and the Yankees played 107 games. Was there a re-interpretation of the eligibility rule?
The Red Sox could let him go 16 2/3.
Randy Johnson.
Just a couple of problems with Joe's post, which has its heart but not all of its research in the right place.
First, the Cy Young Award went dual-league in 1967, not 1966.
Second, Sandy Koufax did not win in 1967, he won in 1966 (last single-league winner).
Third, does anybody really expect to give a CYA to someone in a situation like Ryan's in '87? This is a kind of litmus for "common sense" vs. the hidden truth in numbers: it's probably the most extreme example that will ever exist. Even with "advanced metrics," it's never going to be a slam dunk to give someone a CYA with single-digit wins and a WPCT of less than .400.
It might have been interesting if Joe (or anyone else) had noted the season that Jim Bunning had in 1967, which may wind up being the most similar to what happens with Felix. That year, Bunning led the league in K's (253), IP (302), and, yes, in WAR (8.4); finished second in ERA (2.29). His won-loss record was 17-15.
He finished second in the CYA voting, losing to a guy (Mike McCormick) who had five more wins than him.
We like to guess.
yeah--I was going to mention that mistake by Poz
Koufax led the NL in ERA and K's in 63,65, and 66. Sudden Sam led the AL in both in 65.
He's 13-12. He needs one more win. The stats/peripherals race isn't close enough to prioritize winning the ERA title by a miniscule margin over getting to 2 games over .500. I think 14-12 he takes the CYA walking away. 13-13 he has almost no chance. If he gets a ND this weekend, but pitches well... this is going to be interesting, either way. But the point is that he will pitch this weekend, no doubt about it.
Trivia I hard from Tim Kurkjian: King Felix already has 30 quality starts. Every pitcher ever to record 30 quality starts in one season won the CYA. If Felix manages not to win it, Jack Z will owe him a pretty huge apology.
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