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1. OCF Posted: September 01, 2010 at 02:07 AM (#3631375)Norm Cash, 1961
Al Rosen, 1953
Dick Allen, 1972 and 1964
Dwight Gooden, 1985
Ron Guidry, 1978
He even undersold Gooden by saying "You could make a persuasive argument that Gooden in 1985 ... was as good as Koufax in his best years." No, Joe, Koufax never had a year that good.
I found a few more that I never knew about until I joined the Hall of Merit gang. Here's maybe my favorite one-season peak case:
George Stone, 1906.
Never heard of him? I hadn't, either.
nope--it's all about home runs by Barry Bonds--everything else was/is irrelevant
If you started listing all the exceptions to that you might fill a small book. What much more generally defines a "great" season is a player far outstripping his contemporaries in almost any major category: Carew, Brett, Wills, Brock, Henderson, Raines, Ichiro, Cobb, Hornsby, Sisler, Cash, Mattingly, even a schlump like Vince Coleman, etc., etc., and almost too many pitchers to mention. Hell, some players have had seasons that were talked about as "great" for no other reason than their fielding, one outstanding example being Jimmy Piersall in 1953.
For some pitcher seasons:
Joe Wood, 1912 (except, of course, Walter Johnson was better even that year)
Dolf Luque, 1923
Dizzy Dean, 1934 (except that Dean, unlike Gooden or Chance, got the world to consider him a great pitcher despite his brief career, and is in the HoF)
Dean Chance, 1964 (OK, it was the weaker league, and Chance was as terrible a hitter as Koufax)
He belongs on a list like this.
Darin Erstad, 2002?
Dean was a great pitcher - for a short time, granted, but he was a great pitcher at his peak, and not just for one year. Dean was MVP in 1934, and finished second in the voting the next two seasons. Has any other pitcher finished in the top two of the MVP voting three straight years?
He was probably the most famous player in baseball once Ruth retired in mid-1935, despite playing in St. Louis. Now I can see why many might think that his career was too short to merit HoF induction (the pitched twelve years, but three of those years consisted of exactly one game each), and he only had five really good seasons, but I'd much rather have a player like him in the HoF than a Jessie Haines...
Adrian Beltre, 2004
Wilbur Wood, 1971
Dick Ellsworth, 1963. Before looking these up I'd never heard of this season. WAR rates him a sliver ahead of Koufax that year, 9.8 to 9.6. Ellsworth received 2% of the MVP vote; Koufax 85%.
Russ Ford, 1910. Ok, I've never heard of this guy at all. Apparently he invented the emery ball. That explains how he came out of nowhere to post one of the greatest rookie seasons ever. Jumped to the Feds in 1914 for another great year, but must have hurt his arm, because he was awful the next year and immediately gone.
Rico Petrocelli, 1969
Jose Rijo, 1993
Edit: The bit about the emery ball was added after doing more research about Ford.
"Do you vote for Dizzy Dean" is one question you can use to determine how peak-oriented a Hall of Merit voter is, but the ultimate version of that question is, "Do you vote for Al Rosen?" (Note Rosen's presence on Posnanski's list.)
Ford didn't hurt his arm. What happened was that his only good pitch was outlawed. Ford was the greatest practitioner of the emery ball, a pitch that broke sharply because one side of the ball was scuffed with emery paper. Ford was also a spitballer, which was legal in those days, and disguised his out pitch as a spitball. In 1914, his secret was revealed when Cy Falkenberg also learned the pitch and used it, but was unable to stop others from finding out about it. The pitch was outlawed by all three leagues (the AL, NL, and Federal League) and umpires were told to watch for it and prevent its use. Deprived of his only weapon, Ford was unable to get batters out, and retired at the end of the 1915 season.
How did they do that when they didn't routinely throw balls out of play? Maybe you couldn't do it too blatantly, but without the umpires removing the doctored balls, the scuffers would have found a way anyway (even if not Ford personally). One of the biggest changes circa 1920 was the routine removal of balls.
That's an excellent question, and one that I don't know the answer to. In the Federal League, the penalty was that the pitcher would be fined $200 (which was a lot of money in those days) and suspended for ten days, so the league was certainly taking it seriously.
That really would be a stretch, considering that in Rosen's one signature year when he barely missed the Triple Crown, Eddie Mathews in the NL hit more homers, and Roy Campanella in the NL had only three fewer RBI. A better test, and one that more people might recognize as such, would be Denny McLain.
And BTW has there ever before been a Posnanski column whose main point of argument ("Home runs alone create the image of a great season") nobody's really agreed with? I can't think of any. It's almost a relief to know that JoePo is human.
I know there were off-field reasons for his poor play in the mid-80s, but still...that 1989 season was just totally out of character.
Should he be elected (waiving the playing time requirement) to the HOF?
Should he be elected (waiving the playing time requirement) to the HOF?
You're goddam right he should, along with the three catchers who threw him out trying to steal.
He should, however, have a nice big display somewhere in the HOF that talks about the greatest season of all time.
Pictures, video clips, interviews, etc.
What if his 2.5 OPSing ass gets told to never come back instead of him retiring?
Well, maybe it's just because I'm human, but I think he's got a point. He isn't talking about you, or really many of his readers or posters here. He's talking about some average guy who follows the game but doesn't study it. Go to the ballpark and ask 10 fans about the guys you list above. Most will "recognize" the name - say 8 out of 10. Maybe 2 in 10 will know what their singular achievement was. The general public simply doesn't put these things in memory the way most of us do.
Certainly there are students of the game who are outraged about steroids (such as yourself) but the general attitude toward PEDs is far more permissive amongst obsessive followers of MLB than in the general population. I think the HR factor is a good explanation. Folks around here know what you posted above and can see that a steep rise in HR isn't the whole story about greatness.
Obviously, there are lots of different reasons for people's attitudes on PEDs but the love of the HR and the drama of 1998 and the "horror" of 2001 and 756 explain the great bulk of most people's feelings about PEDs. If 70, 73 and 756 don't happen, PEDs is not the issue it has become.
Certainly there are students of the game who are outraged about steroids (such as yourself) but the general attitude toward PEDs is far more permissive amongst obsessive followers of MLB than in the general population. I think the HR factor is a good explanation. Folks around here know what you posted above and can see that a steep rise in HR isn't the whole story about greatness.
Well, doesn't it all kind of depend on your age? Do you really think that the average fan who was old enough to remember Guidry, Gooden or Wills wouldn't consider those seasons as transcendently "great"? I doubt if even too many 25 year olds wouldn't use that word to describe Pedro's 1999 season.
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