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Friday, December 14, 2007

Joe Posnanski: Mad Dog 20-20

Posnanski continues his BJIP series by profiling the forgotten Bill Madlock, a.k.a. the 2nd greatest right-handed hitter since World War II, measured by batting titles won (a stat which people cared about in olden times). Many anecdotes.

There’s a great line from Citizen Kane that probably fits here — the line goes, “Well, it’s no trick to make a lot of money, when all you want to do is make a lot of money.” I suspect nobody in baseball history wanted to win batting titles more than Bill Madlock. It’s all he wanted to do. He wanted to win batting titles so much that he would become despised for it by other players and joked about in the press boxes (they would have pools, according to Bill James, to pick the exact date that Madlocks hamstring would flare up).

Now, before we go too far, let me say the guy had a career. Madlock hit .305 for his career and got 2,000 hits, and he wasn’t one dimensional either. His career 123 OPS+ is quite solid. He walked more than he struck out. He had a more than respectable .442 slugging — better than Carew, almost the same as Boggs. He hit as many as 19 homers in a season, stole as many as 32 bases, he hit .375 in his one World Series appearance and he even played a respectable third base for a while (after a rough start).

And when he retired, he did so to no fanfare, no retired jersey ceremonies, no “Remember Mad Dog” days. He got a miserable 19 votes his one year on the Hall of Fame ballot, though his numbers are startlingly similar to Hall of Famer George Kell: ....

Posnanski’s newest book project is about the 1975 Reds, and his best resource to date is a book written by none other than Joe Morgan. Billy Beane doesn’t write books.

Greg Franklin Posted: December 14, 2007 at 11:49 PM | 5 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: December 15, 2007 at 12:24 AM (#2646066)
His career 123 OPS+ is quite solid.

I'd say that's a little better than "solid" for a guy who played 3B. Through age 30, it was a more solid 130. Being a contemporary with Schmidt and Brett didn't help him get noticed but prior to that, he might have been among the top 5 hitting 3B of all-time (Mathews, Santo, Baker ... anybody else?).

I think Madlock is one of the more under-rated players in recent baseball history...which is kinda surprising given how many batting titles he won. I wonder how many players have more batting titles than AS teams.
   2. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: December 15, 2007 at 12:36 AM (#2646085)
Being a contemporary with Schmidt and Brett didn't help him get noticed but prior to that, he might have been among the top 5 hitting 3B of all-time (Mathews, Santo, Baker ... anybody else?).



Boggs for one, plus a lot of guys who played 3B, but not for as long as Madlock did, like Allen, Rose, Jim Ray Hart, Paul Molitor, Killebrew, Edgar Martinez, ARod. Probably a bunch more.

Edit:

Scott Rolen has played more games at 3B than Madlock did, and with a higher (126) OPS+.

Ron Cey is only 2 OPS+ points behind, but with over 500 more games.
   3. Steve Treder Posted: December 15, 2007 at 12:45 AM (#2646103)
they would have pools, according to Bill James, to pick the exact date that Madlocks hamstring would flare up

I seem to recall somebody testing this against the facts (James said that Madlock bowed out for the season during a couple of Septembers once his batting title was secure) and finding that it didn't check out.

Madlock was a hell of a good player, and a lot of fun to watch.
   4. Greg Franklin Posted: December 15, 2007 at 01:19 AM (#2646132)
Steve - Joe's post does go into each of those four title-winning seasons to document what late-season games Mad Dog sat out. He did sit out some games in all of those years. In two of them the time off didn't really matter to the race. In the other two, it may indeed have mattered.

Misirlou - thanks for the tidbit on Rolen. Interesting parallel. We know he irritates his managers, whereas Madlock seemed to irritate his fellow players.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: December 15, 2007 at 05:20 AM (#2646255)
Boggs for one, plus a lot of guys who played 3B, but not for as long as Madlock did, like Allen, Rose, Jim Ray Hart, Paul Molitor, Killebrew, Edgar Martinez, ARod. Probably a bunch more.

Edit:

Scott Rolen has played more games at 3B than Madlock did, and with a higher (126) OPS+.

Ron Cey is only 2 OPS+ points behind, but with over 500 more games.


You seem to have missed the "prior to" qualifier. Since, there have been at least two (Jones and Boggs). Of the prior guys you listed, Allen, Hart and Rose had about 650 games at 3B so I don't consider them qualifiers. Killer was under 800 ... which is getting there but still seems a bit light to qualify as a "3B". I'm surprised you didn't pull out Pedro Guerrero. :-)

By the way, Rose obviously had the better career, but I'm not sure I'd call him a better hitter than Madlock and through age 30, Rose has the lower OPS+.

Cey's a good one though another contemporary (with Schmidt and Brett).

My point isn't to say that Madlock's one of the all-time great 3B (though he's probably top 15 off the top of my head) but to say, up to that point in MLB history, he was one of the best-hitting 3B of all-time and you'd think would have gotten more attention. I'm sure there must have been a few, but how many 3B had won a batting title before Madlock, much less 4?

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