Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Baseball Primer Newsblog > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Sunday, July 01, 2012

Joe Torre believes that former Yankee Roger Clemens belongs in Baseball Hall of Fame

I’ll re-re-tweet Jon Heyman’s goofiness…

i agree with joe torre, roger clemens belongs in the hall of fame. also prison. (torre didnt say the 2nd thing, just me)

“He is to me,” former Yankees manager Joe Torre said Sunday afternoon, when asked if Clemens is a hall of famer. “I can’t make other people look at him. I can just tell you the way I feel about it. I was proud to have him play for me. He always gave you everything he had and I always respected that.”

Speaking before Sunday game against the White Sox as part of the Yankees’ 66th annual Old Timer’s Day festivities, Torre vehemently put himself in the camp in favor of sending Clemens to Cooperstown.

...Yet, because of how the cloud of performance-enhancing drug use has now shadowed his career, those numbers are being called into question. Which has turned Clemens from being viewed as one of the most dominant and top pitchers in baseball history, to a virtual pariah in the game.

“Well, I’m a little prejudiced on Clemens,” Torre said. “You know, he was like a son to me. Unfortunately, the question mark is always going to be there with him. It’s something that’s sad for me, because Roger Clemens and the way he went about his business — and I disliked him like everybody else until I got a chance to know him — but he was a great teammate for these guys.”

 

Repoz Posted: July 01, 2012 at 09:31 PM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: clemens

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

   1. John DiFool2 Posted: July 01, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4170971)
<nm>
   2. The District Attorney Posted: July 01, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4170975)
Yeah, that was how I felt.
   3. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: July 01, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4170989)
There was a thread not too long ago that asked who was the second most insufferable Hall of Famer. Is Joe Torre the most insufferable old timer that's not in the Hall of Fame (yet)?
   4. Dale H. Posted: July 01, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4171002)
Tim McCarver's not in the HOF. Neither is Ken Harrelson.
   5. Coot Veal and Cot Deal's cols=“100” rows=“20” Posted: July 02, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4171035)
Jon Heyman needs to be handled by the menstrual-cramps guy from Raising Arizona... lordy, I cannot abide the slime that is Jon Heyman.
   6. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: July 02, 2012 at 04:17 AM (#4171069)
“Well, I’m a little prejudiced on Clemens,” Torre said. “You know, regardless of whether he was cheating or not, he helped me win two world series, and besides the super-duper cool factor of that kind of thing, all things considered, the WS bonus alone was worth something like $2M to my personal bank account. Also he helped keep me employed a few years longer than I deserved. So you should totally listen to what I have to say about his HOF chances. Or not."
Fixed.
   7. thok Posted: July 02, 2012 at 06:46 AM (#4171076)
There was a thread not too long ago that asked who was the second most insufferable Hall of Famer. Is Joe Torre the most insufferable old timer that's not in the Hall of Fame (yet)?


I would consider all of Ozzie Guillen, Pete Rose, and Jose Canseco significantly more insufferable than Torre.
   8. What Zupcic? Posted: July 02, 2012 at 08:33 AM (#4171104)
Is Joe Torre the most insufferable old timer that's not in the Hall of Fame (yet)?


Wait, really? Other than being a bit skeezy towards A-Rod, what else has he done/said?

Also, I'm struggling with how this article is evidence of Joe Torre being insufferable.

Is Shea Hillenbrand an old timer yet?
   9. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 02, 2012 at 08:50 AM (#4171110)

I would consider all of Ozzie Guillen, Pete Rose, and Jose Canseco significantly more insufferable than Torre.


Jose Canseco is awesome. Its like he's doing some sort of surrealist performance art that is commentary on the price of fame.

The answer for most insufferable non HOFer of course is Jack Morris.
   10. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: July 02, 2012 at 08:59 AM (#4171113)
There was a thread not too long ago that asked who was the second most insufferable Hall of Famer. Is Joe Torre the most insufferable old timer that's not in the Hall of Fame (yet)?

The line begins with Tony LaRussa, and Torre's not even in the picture.
   11. Bob Tufts Posted: July 02, 2012 at 09:31 AM (#4171126)
All-time insufferable teams? Curt Schilling is ready to play!


   12. Gonfalon B. Posted: July 02, 2012 at 10:56 AM (#4171185)
We need to distinguish between insufferable peak and insufferable career. Also, are you insufferably small hall? To me, Torre is a classic Hall of the Not So Very Insufferable candidate. Whatever insufferable credentials Torre has (throwing A-Rod under the bus, those eyebrows), he will never be an inner circle insufferable. That's reserved for the true legends like Cobb, Comiskey, Anson and Joe Buck.
   13. toratoratora Posted: July 02, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4171195)
Is Joe Torre the most insufferable old timer that's not in the Hall of Fame (yet)?

The correct answer is CHB

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Guts
for his generous support.

Bookmarks

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogOT: The Soccer Thread July, 2014
(411 - 7:01pm, Jul 25)
Last: ursus arctos

NewsblogOTP - July 2014: Republicans Lose To Democrats For Sixth Straight Year In Congressional Baseball Game
(3188 - 6:54pm, Jul 25)
Last: formerly dp

NewsblogOT: Monthly NBA Thread- July 2014
(941 - 6:52pm, Jul 25)
Last: NJ in DC (Now unemployed!)

NewsblogWisch: Cooperstown Shouldn’t Close Out Lee Smith
(8 - 6:51pm, Jul 25)
Last: Batman

NewsblogNoble: Tom Seaver expects Derek Jeter to become first unanimous Hall of Fame inductee
(87 - 6:50pm, Jul 25)
Last: Pat Rapper's Delight

Newsblog7-25-14 OMNICHATTER
(9 - 6:20pm, Jul 25)
Last: cardsfanboy

NewsblogHurdles remain in Mets-Rockies deal for Tulowitzki, Gonzalez
(19 - 6:17pm, Jul 25)
Last: formerly dp

NewsblogThe Inventor of the High Five
(29 - 6:13pm, Jul 25)
Last: Zach

NewsblogBA Report: MLBPA Files Grievance Against Astros Over Aiken, Nix, Marshall
(4 - 6:02pm, Jul 25)
Last: Boxkutter

NewsblogPrimer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-25-2014
(7 - 5:53pm, Jul 25)
Last: Eric J can SABER all he wants to

NewsblogCSN: Enough is enough — time to move on from Ryan Howard
(112 - 5:39pm, Jul 25)
Last: PreservedFish

NewsblogESPN : GM Offers To Get Prostate Exam During Game
(16 - 5:27pm, Jul 25)
Last: Joe Bivens, Minor Genius

NewsblogSoE: AN IDIOT IN EXILE
(1 - 5:06pm, Jul 25)
Last: Jose Can Still Seabiscuit

SABR - BBTF ChapterWho's going to SABR??
(97 - 4:52pm, Jul 25)
Last: Der-K thinks the Essex Green were a good band.

Newsblog5 for Friday: Leo Mazzone, pitching coach to the HOFers
(22 - 4:27pm, Jul 25)
Last: Brian

Page rendered in 0.1113 seconds
52 querie(s) executed