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Johnny Cueto won’t have elbow surgery, expected to miss 6-8 weeks | ESPN

San Francisco Giants pitcher Johnny Cueto does not have a torn ligament in his injured elbow but is expected to miss at least six weeks, according to multiple reports.

Cueto met recently with renowned surgeon Dr. James Andrews, who reportedly told the right-hander that surgery was not necessary and recommended that he rest for six to eight weeks.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 07, 2018 at 02:03 PM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: giants, injury, james andrews, johnny cueto

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   1. RJ in TO Posted: May 07, 2018 at 02:21 PM (#5667880)
So really, they're saying Cueto won't have elbow surgery until six to eight weeks from now.
   2. Styles P. Deadball Posted: May 07, 2018 at 02:33 PM (#5667898)
Johnny Cueto is the first man in my recollection who has visited Dr Andrews and walked out with his original ligament.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 07, 2018 at 02:37 PM (#5667903)
That probably eliminates Cueto from Cy Young Award consideration. Even if he avoids further difficulty (uncertain at best), he's likely to be 75-100 innings behind other contenders, maybe more.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 03:20 PM (#5667947)
So really, they're saying Cueto won't have elbow surgery until six to eight weeks from now.

Plenty of pitchers have rehabbed and avoided surgery.
   5. Tin Angel Posted: May 07, 2018 at 03:30 PM (#5667960)
Plenty of pitchers have rehabbed and avoided surgery.


Who? (not being sarcastic). I couldn't think of anyone besides Tanaka.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 07, 2018 at 03:50 PM (#5667983)
Who? (not being sarcastic). I couldn't think of anyone besides Tanaka.

I know I've heard about quite a few. Can't put my hands on a list, since no one compiles a list of "guys who were hurt and didn't get TJS".

Bartolo Colon was the pioneer for using Stem Cell therapy instead of TJS. Ohtani had a UCL strain last year, and is pitching fine.
   7. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 07, 2018 at 04:09 PM (#5668000)
Didn't Wainwright rehab to avoid TJS and pitch well for a couple three seasons before eventually having the procedure? Or am I thinking of another Cardinals pitcher?
   8. Walt Davis Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:05 PM (#5668055)
#2 ... it probably does put him out of CYA contention but 6-8 weeks (if that's all it is) is <25%-<33% of the season so he'll be missing out on something closer to 45-70 innings of 7-10 starts.
   9. Greg Pope Posted: May 07, 2018 at 05:59 PM (#5668085)
Who? (not being sarcastic). I couldn't think of anyone besides Tanaka.

I said this same thing probably a year or so ago when it came up about another pitcher. And people came up with quite a few examples.
   10. A Baseball Fan Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:02 PM (#5668086)

Who? (not being sarcastic). I couldn't think of anyone besides Tanaka.


David Price last year. Garrett Richards.
   11. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5668088)
Richards would probably have come back fully healthy sooner had he done the surgery.
   12. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 07, 2018 at 06:10 PM (#5668089)
#2 ... it probably does put him out of CYA contention but 6-8 weeks (if that's all it is) is <25%-<33% of the season so he'll be missing out on something closer to 45-70 innings of 7-10 starts.

Is he going to be back in 6-8 weeks, or rest for that long and then take some time to ramp it up again? The article seems to use both formulations, without acknowledging the difference. There's also the "at least" modifier. I'll be a bit surprised if he's pitching again in 6-8 weeks, but, yeah, if that's the case he won't miss as many innings.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: May 07, 2018 at 08:35 PM (#5668192)
Oops, I was referencing #3 not #2 but the right guy responded. And sure, 10 weeks > 8 weeks. :-) I was just nitpicking -- even 50 innings likely knocks him out of contention so the overall point stands. But also pointing out that, in today's usage, 75-100 innings is half a season.

Currently, if they make all 32 starts, Kluber is on pace for a manly 238 innings with Manaea and Cole on pace for about 220-230. All the other top starters are on pace for about 200-210 at best. Cueto was on pace for 205 innings in 32 starts. MLB is average 5.5 IP/GS (so 176 IP in 32 starts).

QS% in 2015 was 50%. So far this years it's 43%, 44% last year. Those are certainly the lowest of the last 25 years (46% in 1999-2000 ... who couldn't score more than 3 runs in 6 innings back then) ... so I suspect the lowest ever. (Couldn't figure out a way to get at it through PI.) It's not so much because starters are giving up more runs, it's mainly because they aren't allowed to go even 6 innings all that often. I'd imagine the borderline QS (6-7 IP, 3 R) has pretty much gone the way of the dodo.

Hey, if you hover over a player's picture in b-r now, it gives you past pics too -- at least it did for Cueto. Maybe it's only when they change teams. Still some issues -- Matt Holliday the Yankee and the Rockie but not the Cardinal ... OK, I approve of that but others may not.
   14. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: May 07, 2018 at 11:56 PM (#5668303)
David Price last year.


Well if his stats this year are anything to go on I would suggest to Cueto that he should have the surgery!

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