I'm sure Michael Bourn would listen if you called.

(Full disclosure: I had Bourn going to the Rangers in the free agent prediction thingy.)

Barring a trade there really isn't a marquee signing to be made anymore is there? Bourn would be a nice get for them but when I think "marquee" he is not a guy I think of.

Barring a trade there really isn't a marquee signing to be made anymore is there? Bourn would be a nice get for them but when I think "marquee" he is not a guy I think of.

Yeah, there were only 2 marquee guys available. They have the trade chits for a blockbuster if they choose to go that way, though.

Yeah, there were only 2 marquee guys available. They have the trade chits for a blockbuster if they choose to go that way, though.

Yeah, Andrus or Profar for a star OF seems like a no brainer.

If I were Daniels I'd be dangling Profar to get Giancarlo Stanton.

I wonder if the Diamondbacks had held onto Chris Young what they could get for him now.

Yeah, Andrus or Profar for a star OF seems like a no brainer.

If I were Daniels I'd be dangling Profar to get Giancarlo Stanton.

I don't think Andrus gets you a star outfielder, or at least doesn't get you one who doesn't come with a ton of question marks (Ellsbury?). He's a good player, but not a great one and he's going to get very expensive in 2 years.

Profar for Stanton would be a ballsy move; not sure either side makes that trade. If you believe Profar can be a 3-4 win player right away, I think you have to keep him. Stanton's arb eligible in 2014, and he won't come cheap.

Profar for Stanton would be a ballsy move; not sure either side makes that trade. If you believe Profar can be a 3-4 win player right away, I think you have to keep him. Stanton's arb eligible in 2014, and he won't come cheap.

I don't count on anyone being a 3+ WAR player right away, especially not a 20 y.o.

And Stanton is a 5+ WAR player, and only 23. Any deal would require Texas to lock Stanton up long-term. Think he'd sign a 10/150 contract?

I would think that Stanton is about a million times more valuable than Profrar, even if he's due for a pay raise.

I would think that Stanton is about a million times more valuable than Profrar, even if he's due for a pay raise.

Except, Miami ain't gonna keep him.

Are they getting a better offer than Profar + non-elite prospects in the next 18 months?

I don't count on anyone being a 3+ WAR player right away, especially not a 20 y.o.

Elvus Andrus was a 3.3 WAR player at 20, and Profar is a better regarded prospect with a broader skillset. Anyway, the Texas front office LOVES Profar. I think they see him as a sort of Derek Jeter type; a perennial All-Star who could anchor the franchise for the next 15 years. FWIW, the Texas fans adore the guy too; obviously that shouldn't dictate policy, but it's probably worth some consideration.

And Stanton is a 5+ WAR player, and only 23. Any deal would require Texas to lock Stanton up long-term. Think he'd sign a 10/150 contract?

How much did he get as a signing bonus? According to Bref, he's still making close to the league minimum, so it's possible he'd jump at the chance to get lifetime financial security. On the other hand, he'll be entering his age 27 season as a FA, and assuming his production stays more or less steady, I can easily see him getting 8/200. Plus whatever he pulls during his Arb years, which would be considerable.

Elvus Andrus was a 3.3 WAR player at 20, and Profar is a better regarded prospect with a broader skillset. Anyway, the Texas front office LOVES Profar. I think they see him as a sort of Derek Jeter type; a perennial All-Star who could anchor the franchise for the next 15 years. FWIW, the Texas fans adore the guy too; obviously that shouldn't dictate policy, but it's probably worth some consideration.

This is all true but prospects bust...a lot. Pitchers more than hitters but the fact is that there is no such thing as a sure thing. If I could get a guy like Stanton and lock him up long term I'd deal Profar for him.

Elvus Andrus was a 3.3 WAR player at 20, and Profar is a better regarded prospect with a broader skillset. Anyway, the Texas front office LOVES Profar. I think they see him as a sort of Derek Jeter type; a perennial All-Star who could anchor the franchise for the next 15 years. FWIW, the Texas fans adore the guy too; obviously that shouldn't dictate policy, but it's probably worth some consideration.


This is all true but prospects bust...a lot. Pitchers more than hitters but the fact is that there is no such thing as a sure thing. If I could get a guy like Stanton and lock him up long term I'd deal Profar for him.

Assuming it was just Profar for Stanton, maybe. But I expect Miami would want more back.

While there's no sure things, top hitting prospects have a pretty good track record. Profar's not in the A-Rod/Griffey/Harper "can't possibly miss" category, but he's just a step down. It'd be very surprising if he was just a bust.

Elvus Andrus was a 3.3 WAR player at 20, and Profar is a better regarded prospect with a broader skillset. Anyway, the Texas front office LOVES Profar. I think they see him as a sort of Derek Jeter type; a perennial All-Star who could anchor the franchise for the next 15 years. FWIW, the Texas fans adore the guy too; obviously that shouldn't dictate policy, but it's probably worth some consideration.

Sure, but Stanton can anchor a franchise for 15 years too. He's only 23.

And, they have this little issue that they can't get maximum value out of both Profar and Andrus at the same time. You don't want to play Profar at 2B, and risk injury. Logically, one should be traded.

Elvus Andrus was a 3.3 WAR player at 20, and Profar is a better regarded prospect with a broader skillset.

This isn't how projection works. Lots of prospects are better regarded than Elvis Andrus - he was the #37 prospect in baseball coming into 2009. It is not the case that the top 30 prospects in baseball all project to produce 3 WAR or better.

BA rated as better prospects than Andrus coming into 2009 Colby Rasmus and Dexter Fowler, who put up 1.7 and 1.0 WAR respectively in similar playing time. They also preferred Derek Hollard (-0.7 WAR), Trevor Cahill (1.2 WAR), Rick Porcello (2.2 WAR) and David Price (0.7 WAR). Andrus had an excellent rookie season. He's nothing close to the baseline.

Sure, but Stanton can anchor a franchise for 15 years too. He's only 23.

Yes, but Stanton costs foldin' money after 2013. Profar is essentially free til 2016, and will probably be cheaper in arb than a guy like Stanton who puts up showy power numbers. That money could be used on other players. Plus Profar might not be enough to get Stanton.

And, they have this little issue that they can't get maximum value out of both Profar and Andrus at the same time. You don't want to play Profar at 2B, and risk injury. Logically, one should be traded.

I'd try to move Andrus. He's going to get very expensive soon, and his value is pretty well capped at ~4 WAR unless he suddenly develops some HR power or has a fluky BABIP season. I guess it's possible as he's still young, but Andrus is not some scrawny guy who needs to fill out. He's been a solidly built 200lbs for years; he just can't drive the ball.

Yes, but Stanton costs foldin' money after 2013. Profar is essentially free til 2016, and will probably be cheaper in arb than a guy like Stanton who puts up showy power numbers. That money could be used on other players. Plus Profar might not be enough to get Stanton.

The odds that Profar is as good as Stanton are pretty low. There's a lot of development/growth between top prospect and 5+ WAR performer.

Even if I knew Profar was a 20 y.o. Derek Jeter, I'd still consider trading a 20 y.o. Jeter for Stanton.

I'd try to move Andrus. He's going to get very expensive soon, and his value is pretty well capped at ~4 WAR unless he suddenly develops some HR power or has a fluky BABIP season. I guess it's possible as he's still young, but Andrus is not some scrawny guy who needs to fill out. He's been a solidly built 200lbs for years; he just can't drive the ball.

In general, I agree. But Profar would probably bring back more in return. Especially if we're talking about a deal like Stanton.

I think Profar is going to be very good, but I'd deal him with a couple of other good prospects for Stanton without thinking twice. Stanton is very much in the conversation for best player over the next 5-10 years. Profar may be, but he has a long way to go.

Why would the Marlins want a good player for Stanton? Haven't they decided to do without good players for the time being? :) Seriously, I miss the days when you could just buy contracts. Mr. Ryan could mortgage his ranch and purchase Stanton for a lotta million dollars and make everybody happy.

#9 They might well not keep him once he hits free agency, but Stanton rates to be a good deal for them financially in his arbitration years. I see no reason they'd want/need to move him until free agency is close.

Stanton obviously isn't going to be a Marlin for more than 2-3 years. As for his next place of employment, I'd really like him to go to Colorado. Just to see what he could do there in his prime years.

And Stanton is a 5+ WAR player, and only 23. Any deal would require Texas to lock Stanton up long-term. Think he'd sign a 10/150 contract?

In the ballpark but my guess is not 10 years, not at that price. 8/$120 and talk to him after 5 years about an extension at 6/$180 (or whatever the going rate will be by then). Ten years would make him an FA entering his age 33 season which is not ideal. Also on that contract you'd be paying him "just" $20 M for his 6 FA years when he knows he could get $25 M a year now if he was an FA.

#20 And bring back the old baseballs. Just to see if the equations on maximum distance are actually correct.

Texas should revisit Andrus for Upton. AZ hasn't acquired enough shortstops yet.