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Saturday, August 02, 2014

Jonah Keri: Pedro!

Great, great podcast of Jonah Keri talking to Pedro Martinez for an hour. An absolute must if you’re a fan for one of the most interesting players in the last two decades. Keri is alright, too.

The Anthony Kennedy of BBTF (Scott) Posted: August 02, 2014 at 08:30 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: espn, jonah keri, pedro martinez, podcasts, red sox

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   1. bookbook Posted: August 02, 2014 at 10:24 AM (#4763027)
Keri's fastball couldn't break a plane of glass
   2. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 02, 2014 at 10:35 AM (#4763032)
I subscribed just for this podcast

Pedro is so insightful
   3. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: August 02, 2014 at 04:11 PM (#4763105)
Why is a baseball podcast introduced by a very proper English lady?
   4. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2014 at 05:14 PM (#4763118)
I'll have to give it a listen but something I discovered just yesterday ...

Pedro's 1999 is the post-deadball record for lowest FIP. And it's not particularly close. He was at 1.39, Gooden's 84 is 1.69 and Kershaw this year is 1.70.

At the height of the sillyball era.

Even if you include the deadball era, he's tied for 2nd. Mathewson 1908 at 1.29 and Johnson 1910 at 1.39
   5. theboyqueen Posted: August 02, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4763122)
One of the better aspects of the roided up freak era was the fact that it just adds to the mythology of Pedro 1999 (Pedro basically says as much in the interview). His all star appearance that year in Fenway is pretty much the greatest thing ever.

The other thing about this interview that strikes me is his memory. There was another thing about how Lebron is this way as well, but you get the sense that Pedro remembers every detail about every at bat he has ever thrown. He definitely seems to remember every bad thing that was ever said about him, which does seem like a common theme amongst the greatest athletes.
   6. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 02, 2014 at 05:55 PM (#4763139)
the 4 homer game against the mets caught my attention since that seems so out of character for pedro

and it did happen. june 5th, 1998. pedro pitched 4 innings, gave up 6 runs and 4 homers. it was at fenway park so the guy he recalls heckling him may well have done just that

   7. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 02, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4763140)
My favorite Pedro moment was the six no-hit innings against Cleveland in Game 5 of that ALDS, where he was battling an injury and so couldn't throw at max velocity but came into a chaotic game and settled it down.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: August 02, 2014 at 06:21 PM (#4763149)
Pedro is one of the all-time greats, but it seems like his IP per year just gets tossed aside. He's great ANYWAY, but it does matter.

maybe BB-ref is in on it? I don't even see IP listed as one of the "leader" category on his page, though he sometimes made the top 10 (he was 8thT in this 1999, for example). he never did lead the league in IP, though.
   9. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: August 02, 2014 at 06:35 PM (#4763152)
My favorite Pedro moment was the six no-hit innings against Cleveland in Game 5 of that ALDS, where he was battling an injury and so couldn't throw at max velocity but came into a chaotic game and settled it down.


That game is perhaps the most important moment of my baseball fandom. It was my freshman year in college, in New England, surrounded by Red Sox fans, who were all going crazy. I had no idea the level of intensity some baseball fans had, and it pretty much sucked me in and led to a much deeper appreciation of baseball. It's extremely likely if Pedro hadn't pitched in that game, I would be a tepid baseball fan, and would have never discovered Baseball Primer.
   10. theboyqueen Posted: August 02, 2014 at 06:53 PM (#4763159)
Also, how does a guy who grows up in Manoguayabo, D.R. end up speaking English more beautifully than almost any other athlete I can think of?
   11. Batman Posted: August 02, 2014 at 07:29 PM (#4763177)
Pedro once gave up a home run to a utility infielder just to see him smile. Later that inning, he struck out that guy's wife and Lou Gehrig.
   12. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 02, 2014 at 10:02 PM (#4763247)
Also, how does a guy who grows up in Manoguayabo, D.R. end up speaking English more beautifully than almost any other athlete I can think of?


Pedro is astoundingly intelligent. Obviously we've seen his work on TBS and the Red Sox have had him on NESN as a guest a few times and it is just incredible to listen to him. He's got incredible insight. The Sox have had a few minor leaguers talk about how much he has helped them with their thought processes on the mound. He seems to be that odd great player who has the ability to relate to mere mortals.
   13. cardsfanboy Posted: August 02, 2014 at 11:14 PM (#4763265)
Pedro is one of the all-time greats, but it seems like his IP per year just gets tossed aside. He's great ANYWAY, but it does matter.

maybe BB-ref is in on it? I don't even see IP listed as one of the "leader" category on his page, though he sometimes made the top 10 (he was 8thT in this 1999, for example). he never did lead the league in IP, though.


You've missed a lot of the debates on here then. I absolutely have talked about his seasonal endurance as a factor on why he was successful, yes he's a great pitcher, but it's easier to go into a game knowing you are only going to pitch seven or so innings, than thinking you are trying to pitch a complete game. Pedro was the first pitcher to truly realize this and pitch balls to the walls for his entire game.

Having said that, he did post 13 complete games(lead the league) in a year in which he also led the league in era, so there is no argument on his greatness....

The problem is when I criticize people argue that I'm denigrating his greatness, simply because I don't think he was the single greatest single season pitcher in history or best three year peak in history, etc. He was a confluence of events.
   14. Bunny Vincennes Posted: August 03, 2014 at 07:30 AM (#4763320)
7. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 02, 2014 at 05:56 PM (#4763140)
My favorite Pedro moment was the six no-hit innings against Cleveland in Game 5 of that ALDS, where he was battling an injury and so couldn't throw at max velocity but came into a chaotic game and settled it down.


I just pulled out my scorebook to look at that game. I was there and it was a terrific, gutty performance. Everything about him was electric. It was sort of Maddux like, in that he seemed to be the smartest person in the ballpark and I'm sitting next to a phd in science.
   15. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 03, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4763367)
The problem is when I criticize people argue that I'm denigrating his greatness,


Because you overcompensate for the IP thing.
   16.     Hey Gurl Posted: August 03, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4763392)
I'm not trying to be annoying, and I might be dumb, but I can't understand Keri's comment early in the podcast re:no-hitters. He said that Pedro and his brother both pitched no-hitters in 1995, but "it was a nine inning game and Bip Roberts broke it up in the 2nd." I do not understand what he means. Help?
   17. An Athletic in Powderhorn™ Posted: August 03, 2014 at 01:11 PM (#4763398)
I'm not trying to be annoying, and I might be dumb, but I can't understand Keri's comment early in the podcast re:no-hitters. He said that Pedro and his brother both pitched no-hitters in 1995, but "it was a nine inning game and Bip Roberts broke it up in the 2nd." I do not understand what he means. Help?
He's making an unclear reference to this game.
   18. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:16 PM (#4763593)
pedro specifically calls out taht relief appearance as having set him on a path of constant and chronic pain that he endured the remainder of his career
   19. Lassus Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:51 PM (#4763607)
pedro specifically calls out taht relief appearance as having set him on a path of constant and chronic pain that he endured the remainder of his career

That's a shame; but as I'm not Pedro I can be happy about that game because it was one of the most impressive and thrilling baseball events I have ever ever watched.
   20. Norcan Posted: August 03, 2014 at 08:57 PM (#4763610)
I always thought it was overthrowing in the 1999 all-star game that damaged his shoulder and set him on the path to the disabled list. That's always the what-if Pedro game for me.

He talked about getting up to 94 against Cleveland in the playoffs and I'm not sure he did. That game is available online and while the radar readings were non-existent or sporadic, it didn't appear he ever got up that high. In the next game versus the Yankees, he topped out at 92 once and I think only threw around 5 fastballs over 90. That start (7 innings, 2 hits, 12 Ks, 2 BBs) was amazing for how he sliced up the Yankees with about 5-7 mph less of velocity. He just threw more changeups and curveballs and was still vintage.

If anyone's interested, this guy edits together every pitch from some vintage games. He has Pedro's 17 strikeout game against the Yankees. He threw about 30 percent more fastballs and with much more effort than in the 1999 playoff game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j9GgchwixOg&list=UUadeuntgl2V7BWmVEDHI0RQ
   21. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 04, 2014 at 12:43 AM (#4763676)
Is there some reason why MLB and the Sox don't put out a DVD set with four or six of Martinez's 1999-2000 starts?
   22. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 04, 2014 at 09:05 AM (#4763735)
it's easier to go into a game knowing you are only going to pitch seven or so innings, than thinking you are trying to pitch a complete game.


I can see this being relevant to a cross-era comparison but did Pedro pitch less per start than his contemporaries? I've never spent any time looking at that but it seems like Pedro's problem wasn't an inability to get deep into games but an inability to start games as often as others.

Is there some reason why MLB and the Sox don't put out a DVD set with four or six of Martinez's 1999-2000 starts?


There are probably some licensing issues. I don't know what they would be but I'm always surprised that MLB hasn't mined its vault for more games to be made available. I know there is a bunch of stuff on iTunes but the majority of it is recent (last time I checked). The game I would love to have that I don't is Game Three of the 2003 ALDS. That was the game with the A's running the bases like they were drunk and Nixon hit a walk off.
   23. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 04, 2014 at 10:27 AM (#4763785)
it's easier to go into a game knowing you are only going to pitch seven or so innings, than thinking you are trying to pitch a complete game.

I can see this being relevant to a cross-era comparison but did Pedro pitch less per start than his contemporaries?


It's a silly point anyway; was Pedro the only pitcher who had relievers backing him up?

Regardless, he finished in the top 10 in innings pitched for his league 6 times. Plus he extended into the playoffs in some of those years.

And total value is what matters anyway, quantity and quality.

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