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Thursday, January 19, 2012

Jonny Gomes to Sign with A’s

The Oakland Athletics are poised to sign Jonny Gomes, according to Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle. Slusser points out that he’s a local favorite set to join the club after Billy Beane indicated after the Seth Smith trade that he could be looking for more depth in the outfield.

Gomes, 31, has spent most of his career with the Tampa Bay Rays but was with the Cincinnati Reds for a couple seasons and then spent part of 2011 in DC. He’s never been an especially good hitter (being kind to the guy with the mohawk, ok?) but does have a little pop, with a career line of .242 / .329 / .451. If you’re playing at home, think Adam Dunn without the walks.

Thanks to Ferg.

Repoz Posted: January 19, 2012 at 06:11 PM | 43 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 19, 2012 at 06:19 PM (#4040682)
Lifetime .281/.375/.501 against lefties. Solid signing.

Supposedly Brandon Allen is being shopped so I guess the Daric Barton Experience rolls on with Chris Carter and Gomes splitting DH duties and Gomes playing outfield on occasion.
   2. Willie Mayspedester Posted: January 19, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4040693)
I thought he was older than 31. I think this will get the A's to 70 or so wins. Woopa deee dooo!
   3. Bug Selig Posted: January 19, 2012 at 06:33 PM (#4040697)
He’s never been an especially good hitter


WTF is wrong with .242/.329/.451 ? I suppose if you're hung up on the first of the three, it ain't pretty, but the 780 OPS is perfectly respectable.

...and the 876 lifetime vs. LHP makes him a perfect foil to Smith.

I don't see how anyone other than Michael Taylor would dislike this move.
   4.   Posted: January 19, 2012 at 06:37 PM (#4040703)
WTF is wrong with .242/.329/.451 ?


For a catcher? Nothing. For a DH? Eh...
   5. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: January 19, 2012 at 07:42 PM (#4040742)
Gomes to the A's has been 8 years overdue.
   6. Davo Dozier Posted: January 19, 2012 at 07:49 PM (#4040750)
They trade Cahill and Gio to get younger, and sign Coco Crisp, Seth Smith and Jonny Gomes as free agents to play the outfield.

THIS DOES NOT MAKE SENSE.
   7. LionoftheSenate (Brewers v A's World Series) Posted: January 19, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4040788)
Beane has make a mockery of his fans.
   8. A triple short of the cycle Posted: January 19, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4040800)
This ongoing strategy of trading starting pitchers for prospects... I would like it a lot more, IF the prospects ever actually made the team.

Jesus it is frustrating that Beane keeps signing retread veterans. Gomes? Why did we trade Rich Harden for Matt Murton?

What about Chris Carter and Michael Taylor. What about Adrian Cardenas. Are we trying to avoid service time? If we are going to suck in 2012, why suck with Gomes at DH, and not Carter at DH? No comprende.
   9. Davo Dozier Posted: January 19, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4040804)
Earlier this winter, the A's sold Jai Miller to the Orioles for $45,000.

Like most of you, I'd never heard of Jai Miller before. But last year, in AAA, Jai Miller played center field and hit 276/368/588 with 32 homers in 110 games. He was also 16 for 16 on stolen base attempts.

Now...in all likelihood, he will never be contributor on the Major League level. He was old for his league (26), he put up those numbers in a huge hitters park/environment, and he strikes out way too often (179 times!).

But even with those huge red flags...Doesn't a guy like Jai Miller makes 10,000 times more sense in the 2012 A's outfield than Seth Smith, Coco Crisp or Jonny Gomes? I mean, there's at least a CHANCE Miller becomes something special--that he can contribute to the next winning A's team. But with the 3 they really did acquire? I mean, my God! They're just spinning their wheels!
   10. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: January 19, 2012 at 09:41 PM (#4040814)
Jai Miller would've made perfect sense to this team. He would've cost nothing and perhaps build some value to a team needing a 4th OF down the stretch. There's no reason he and Chris Carter and Michael Taylor can't get playing time. In this case I think Beane just couldn't resist the perfect platoon partner for Seth Smith.

Seth Smith vs RHP in 2011: .299/.365/.526
Jonny Gomes vs LHP in 2011: .311/.407/.456

Yeah, there's regression and age and all that but that's an All-Star.

   11. Willie Mayspedester Posted: January 19, 2012 at 09:49 PM (#4040820)
I think Michael Taylor starts the year in AAA where he didn't exactly light it up last year. I think Carter / Allen is the DH (if Barton can play a passable 1B). Still lots of AB's to go around. I'd guess Jonny will be on the bench a lot.

EDIT: Allen is rumored to be on the block which makes even less sense.
   12. Squash Posted: January 19, 2012 at 09:53 PM (#4040823)
But even with those huge red flags...Doesn't a guy like Jai Miller makes 10,000 times more sense in the 2012 A's outfield than Seth Smith, Coco Crisp or Jonny Gomes? I mean, there's at least a CHANCE Miller becomes something special--that he can contribute to the next winning A's team. But with the 3 they really did acquire? I mean, my God! They're just spinning their wheels!

I'm pretty sure these are all salary floor moves. Before they started signing all these guys their 2012 payroll was at something like $35 million. Their unofficial official keep-Uncle-Bud-off-their-back salary floor is supposedly something around $50-60 million given the revenue sharing they're receiving. Jai Miller's problem is actually that he isn't expensive enough. And no, he was not going to be the next part of the winning A's team. There are probably six guys in the organization who are part of the next winning A's team, and he isn't one of them by a long shot.

I think we're going to see a lot of these semi-expensive veteran retread guys on the A's for the next few years, and everyone's going to go WTF?!!, why are they doing this and wave their pitchforks around about how they're treading water and Beane's an idiot and so on. Then around 2014 or whatever theoretical year they're supposed to start moving to San Jose things will start to change. Then we'll see if they are indeed the idiots we seem to desperately want them to be.
   13. valuearbitrageur Posted: January 20, 2012 at 12:41 AM (#4040904)
Now...in all likelihood, he will never be contributor on the Major League level. He was old for his league (26), he put up those numbers in a huge hitters park/environment, and he strikes out way too often (179 times!).


What does a 37.7% K rate in a AAA hitters park/league translate to in the majors?

And if Beane needs to meet a minimum payroll level, shouldn't he sign the worst possible players? The A's need a couple top 3 draft picks.
   14. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 20, 2012 at 12:57 AM (#4040914)
The only way this makes any sense is that Beane initially thought that he was getting a new stadium in 2015 and he tried to get younger. Then Bud said no, and he's back to aiming for 70 wins on $40M.
   15. SteveM. Posted: January 20, 2012 at 01:23 AM (#4040928)
This is going to be one shitty team. Who wins more games, the A's or Mets?
   16. Walt Davis Posted: January 20, 2012 at 03:02 AM (#4040948)
Their unofficial official keep-Uncle-Bud-off-their-back salary floor

It's got nothing to do with Bud really. He'd be happy to see teams running at low levels.

The CBA explicitly states that revenue sharing is to be used for competitive purposes. It was clear that some teams were not doing this. The Union (apparently) threatened to take the Marlins and MLB to the mediator where the Union would have won a nice big settlement. Instead MLB and the Union came to an agreement. The Marlins (apparently) ignored this agreement and the Union forced Bud's hand resulting in MLB actually making an announcement that the Marlins needed to start using the shared revenue to be competitive. They promptly bought out Upton and somebody else (Josh Johnson I think).

There were reports that the Union was looking into the Pirates and other teams but they were (apparently) satisfied that the Pirates' low payroll was justified by investment in the draft and a baseball academy. I think the Royals also came under the microscope a few years ago.

So it's not about Bud wanting to look on the up-and-up, it's about the Union trying to force teams to spend their shared revenue for "competitive" purposes as required in the CBA. Lord only knows what goes down if this ever goes to Dyas but the Union will at least walk away with a large settlement or possibly the entire CBA scuttled (and increased rancor with the Union). Given the teams that pay into the shared revenue fund were also tired of seeing that money go into other owners' pockets, it's unlikely you'd have a truly unified MLB on this issue either.
   17. Walt Davis Posted: January 20, 2012 at 03:10 AM (#4040950)
As to Gomes ...

the thing wrong with a 780 OPS is that it's just a 106 OPS+ which is not good for an LF/DH. Moreover it benefits from a big rookie season -- over the last 6 years, he's averaged a 101 OPS+ despite a big half-season in 2009. That might be acceptable except that Gomes is a terrible fielder and shouldn't play the OF if you can help it. Over the last 6 years, he's credited with .1 WAR.

On the other hand, I assume he doesn't cost more than about $1 M.

And if they really are shopping Brandon Allen then they may be the most depressing team in the league.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: January 20, 2012 at 04:03 AM (#4040958)
how many crappy moves does this guy(Beane) get to make before someone on here actually says that the emperor is wearing no clothes. I don't care if they are trying to reach some theoretical minimum. Heck sign ####### Fielder and reach that minimum with one signing and then you lock one position up for hopefully the rest of your crappy outdated tenure for the franchise(seriously Beane should now be on the short list of gm's who's jobs are in jeopardy in the upcoming season. He has a four team division and can't compete in it, even the Pirates have shown more life than the A's in the past year)

   19. Greg K Posted: January 20, 2012 at 04:15 AM (#4040960)
how many crappy moves does this guy(Beane) get to make before someone on here actually says that the emperor is wearing no clothes.

I don't know. Every Oakland thread since November seems like it has a consensus of "WTF is Beane doing, he has no plan, this makes no sense". I guess people aren't re-thinking their position on Billy Beane's overall career, but I think he's been roundly criticised for almost everything he's done recently.
   20. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2012 at 05:42 AM (#4040970)
Walt understates Gomes ineptitude on defense

He staggers around, goes this way and that and finishes with a desperate lunge hoping for the best

   21. JGLB has the express written consent of MLB Posted: January 20, 2012 at 08:09 AM (#4040976)

He staggers around, goes this way and that and finishes with a desperate lunge hoping for the best


Hey! That's my move, and the ladies love it.
   22. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 20, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4040988)
JG

Unsurprising.

But GETTING BACK TO GOMES ALLEGED DEFENSE, Johnny leads the planet in stretched out stabs toward the baseball hoping for the best. It's a combination of being slow to react AND invariably stepping in the wrong direction requiring self-correction and of course lacking sufficient speed to really compensate for these other failings. It's not a pretty sight.

   23. Bitter Mouse Posted: January 20, 2012 at 09:41 AM (#4041001)
I'm pretty sure these are all salary floor moves.


It was mentioned up thread a bit, but wouldn't it make more sense for a good GM to sign an actual good player and have that money count to the floor? Then fill out with players making semi-nothing.

You spend the same, the young guys get a chance to play in the show (maybe finding a diamond in the rough) and you have an actual good player who might be on the team when next you are good.

Getting mediocre players for mediocre money to fill out the team and payroll is bad management and very boring (fans want good players and young guys they can wishcast about).

All GMs have good moves and bad moves, but the meh moves are starting to pile up at BB's door.
   24. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: January 20, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4041015)
And if they really are shopping Brandon Allen then they may be the most depressing team in the league.


What do you think they want for him? He'd be a good fit in Pittsburgh.
   25. base ball chick Posted: January 20, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4041051)
bitter -

billy beane hasn't made one GOOD move in at least 3 years and all he does is trade off the good young players instead of the old gonna-be FA. last GOOD move he made i remember is him signing frank thomas to DH

it is possible that lew wolff has told him to make sure the team sucks so he can move to san jose and make more money offn the taxpayers
   26. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 20, 2012 at 11:12 AM (#4041059)

It was mentioned up thread a bit, but wouldn't it make more sense for a good GM to sign an actual good player and have that money count to the floor? Then fill out with players making semi-nothing.


Who's going to want to sign with a team that seems hell-bent on sucking, plays in a stadium that destroys hitting careers, with an uncertain future of where they'll play in the future? Crisp only signed because he's a local kid.
   27. jingoist Posted: January 20, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4041209)
Gomes leads the league in adjusting his batting helmut per at bat.
Easily 25 or 30 up and down movments to to his helmet each and every at bat.
He is to batting helmet adjustments what Mike hargrove was to stepping out of the batting box and delaying the game.
   28. Swedish Chef Posted: January 20, 2012 at 01:49 PM (#4041242)
how many crappy moves does this guy(Beane) get to make before someone on here actually says that the emperor is wearing no clothes.

I wonder how long it will take for people to realize that Wolff is simply a shitty owner who has no idea of how to operate a business as opposed to making real estate deals. I bet he likes that he has a high-profile GM as the public face of the franchise.
   29. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: January 20, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4041279)
Miller's problem is the K rate. I don't have any MLEs in front of me but, iirc, his BA projected @ < .200 (per Dan). Otherwise, solid player.

Gomes is a terrible fielder. Very likable, hits lefties well - but no glove.
   30. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: January 20, 2012 at 02:23 PM (#4041294)
Jonny Gomes defense...to the max.
   31. Willie Mayspedester Posted: January 20, 2012 at 02:58 PM (#4041354)
Who's going to want to sign with a team that seems hell-bent on sucking, plays in a stadium that destroys hitting careers, with an uncertain future of where they'll play in the future? Crisp only signed because he's a local kid.


Jason Werth?
   32. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: January 20, 2012 at 03:06 PM (#4041363)
Jimmy Rollins is a local kid. They should have signed him.
   33. Jim Wisinski Posted: January 20, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4041366)
Thanks Jose, I was going to go look up that picture to post but you saved me the trouble.
   34. cardsfanboy Posted: January 20, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4041420)
Who's going to want to sign with a team that seems hell-bent on sucking, plays in a stadium that destroys hitting careers, with an uncertain future of where they'll play in the future? Crisp only signed because he's a local kid.


as people liked to point out about the Albert Pujols signing, the players only care about money, so what difference does it make if the team is good or not?
   35. JJ1986 Posted: January 20, 2012 at 03:57 PM (#4041424)
as people liked to point out about the Albert Pujols signing, the players only care about money, so what difference does it make if the team is good or not?


Didn't Albert turn down a bigger contract because he wanted to play for a team he could count on to be competitive?
   36. cardsfanboy Posted: January 20, 2012 at 04:20 PM (#4041445)
Didn't Albert turn down a bigger contract because he wanted to play for a team he could count on to be competitive?


it's debateable, but to be hones I was being sarcastic. I do not think there is one player in history, including arod, who signed exclusively because of the money. Everyone signs for multiple reasons, money might be the biggest factor, but I seriously doubt it's the only factor.

Personally I've never understood why a player would want to sign with an already established winner, if he's elite and wants to leave his mark on the game, find an organization like the Pirates, that had a recent change of management and seems to be heading in the right direction, and get the reputation as a team builder instead of a cog. Jeter is a team builder, Arod/Tex is a cog, a lot of that is because Jeter was on the team right when they started to get good, while they joined later.
   37. caprules Posted: January 21, 2012 at 11:17 AM (#4041816)
They promptly bought out Upton and somebody else (Josh Johnson I think).


Cots has Johnson signing an extension with the Marlins on 1/14/10. Less than two weeks later the A's signed Sheets to a $10M contract, even though there didn't seem to be that kind of demand for him.
   38. TerpNats Posted: January 21, 2012 at 11:48 AM (#4041822)
how many crappy moves does this guy (Beane) get to make before someone on here actually says that the emperor is wearing no clothes.

I don't know. Every Oakland thread since November seems like it has a consensus of "WTF is Beane doing, he has no plan, this makes no sense." I guess people aren't re-thinking their position on Billy Beane's overall career, but I think he's been roundly criticized for almost everything he's done recently.
On the Brenneman thread, someone said Marty was a good play-by-play guy until he won the Ford Frick award; then he gradually became insufferable and began to decline. One wonders if "Moneyball" (the book, then the film) has had a similar subconscious effect on Beane.
   39. Arne Olson Posted: January 21, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4041828)
it is possible that lew wolff has told him to make sure the team sucks so he can move to san jose and make more money offn the taxpayers


This is exactly what's going on. Winning 85 games and looking like an up and coming team in that stadium does not advance the long-term plan of increasing the franchise's value by $300 million via a move to San Jose. Every move seems to be calibrated to increase the sense of hopelessness in Oakland, while doing whatever they can to build toward 2016 or 2017.
   40. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 21, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4041839)

Cots has Johnson signing an extension with the Marlins on 1/14/10. Less than two weeks later the A's signed Sheets to a $10M contract, even though there didn't seem to be that kind of demand for him.


IIRC, there was a demand for Sheets. The Mets made him one of their top targets and the Dodgers, Rangers, and Red Sox were among the teams reported to be interested in him.

Here's the Primer thread on Sheets signing and the opinion seems to be mixed.

Is Sheets officially retired or is he out there still trying to come back?
   41. JJ1986 Posted: January 21, 2012 at 01:14 PM (#4041863)
Is Sheets officially retired or is he out there still trying to come back?


Apparently MLBTR gets asked this question every week and has been hounding his agent for info with no response.
   42. Roger McDowell spit on me! Posted: January 21, 2012 at 01:29 PM (#4041872)
Who's going to want to sign with a team that seems hell-bent on sucking, plays in a stadium that destroys hitting careers, with an uncertain future of where they'll play in the future? Crisp only signed because he's a local kid.

This. The A`s probably had the best offer on the table to Adrian Beltre two years in a row and he went elsewhere. And that was when it seemed like the A`s were actually trying. If salary floors and revenue sharing are a consideration here, then Beane has more limited options.

Maybe Beane should have signed Gomes or one of the other guys for $20 million to meet the floor and still have roster room to play the kids and see what they can do.
   43. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: January 21, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4041879)
I think Beane's strategy here involves a belief that between Texas and LA in their own division, and the Yankees/Red Sox/Rays in the Wild Card race, there are too many teams capable of winning 93+ games to think the A's are going to be sneaking into a playoff spot with 88 wins or something.

Thus, in order for Oakland to make the playoffs, they are going to have to hit paydirt on a handful of trades, and a lot of young players succeeding, in order for the A's to get to 93+ wins on a limited payroll. (Indeed, isn't this how Tampa has reached their place in the AL?) As soon as Bean believes a generation of young players, while doing pretty well, is unlikely to be at the caliber I've described, he trades them for boatloads of young players, and they try it again.

My problem with this strategy is that either:
1) Beane isn't hitting enough on the trades/acquisitions/drafts (Tampa drafts Crawford, and Longoria, and Price, and Hellickson, and Niemann; they trade Young for Bartlett and Garza; they get Zobrist in a trade for very little; they pick up Carlos Pena off the scrap heap a few years ago); or
2) His strategy is simply too high-risk - that is, NOBODY is going to hit it often enough to make this a long-term, sustainable strategy. I believe prospects are more highly-valued than they used to be, and nobody is getting Bagwell for Andersen anymore.

My gut tells me that the problem is more the latter than the former. Either way, I am not optimistic about the A's over the next several years.

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