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Friday, March 08, 2013

Jordan Zimmermann dealing with a ‘dead arm’

Nationals right-hander Jordan Zimmermann got pounded by the Cardinals on Friday, surrendering eight runs on nine hits in just three innings. He walked two and struck out one. MLB.com’s Bill Ladson reports Washington’s No. 3 starter is now dealing with a “dead arm.”

“Dead arm” might be the scariest term in baseball, but it is a fairly common issue for pitchers this time of year. A lot of guys deal with fatigue after two or three spring training outings and are fine after a few days of rest. Chances are the same will be true for Zimmermann, but any time a pitcher complains of a sore or dead arm, the situation is worth monitoring.

Thanks to CB.

Repoz Posted: March 08, 2013 at 08:13 PM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Shibal Posted: March 08, 2013 at 11:19 PM (#4384755)
He must have reached his innings limit. Better sit him out, want to keep him healthy for 2014.
   2. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 12:39 AM (#4384801)
I refuse to believe this. The Nats limited his innings to 161 in 2011 coming off the injury. They have 50 pages of secret information in a binder that says 160 is a magic number.
   3. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: March 09, 2013 at 09:38 AM (#4384892)
Kyle lohse come on down!
   4. Joey B. is counting the days to Trea Turner Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:00 AM (#4384933)
He had this last year in spring training too; it's nothing to be concerned about at all.
   5. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 09, 2013 at 11:06 AM (#4384937)
You're in good shape when your number three starter is Jordan Zimmermann. The Nats and the Reds are the class of baseball.
   6. GuyM Posted: March 09, 2013 at 12:00 PM (#4384968)
He must have reached his innings limit. Better sit him out, want to keep him healthy for 2014

I refuse to believe this. The Nats limited his innings to 161 in 2011 coming off the injury. They have 50 pages of secret information in a binder that says 160 is a magic number.

Funny, but I only observe the continued beating of this particular deceased horse at BTF. I never hear discussion of it by, you know, Nats fans here in DC. I wonder what that means?

   7. SoSH U at work Posted: March 09, 2013 at 12:24 PM (#4384978)
I never hear discussion of it by, you know, Nats fans here in DC. I wonder what that means?


Robert Griffin III has a hangnail?

   8. JJ1986 Posted: March 09, 2013 at 12:42 PM (#4384996)
The Mets TV announcers brought it up during the first spring training game of the season. It's not just a thing here.
   9. GuyM Posted: March 09, 2013 at 12:51 PM (#4385003)
The Mets TV announcers brought it up during the first spring training game of the season. It's not just a thing here.

Well yeah, that was Strasburg's very first time on a mound since he was shut down. So yes, I'd expect the announcers to talk about the innings limit. If Strasburg hadn't pitched and they had still talked about it, or if they are still talking about it the next time the Mets face Strasburg, I'll be more impressed......
   10. JEe (Jason) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 01:10 PM (#4385012)
I never hear discussion of it by, you know, Nats fans here in DC. I wonder what that means?

For the record, I heard plenty of this chatter in the stands during Game 5 of the NLDS. Since then, yeah, the talk here has been pretty much non-stop RG3 this, RG3 that.
   11. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4385071)
Funny, but I only observe the continued beating of this particular deceased horse at BTF. I never hear discussion of it by, you know, Nats fans here in DC. I wonder what that means?



That you need to get out more? But even if it _were_ only being discussed here, why would that matter?
   12. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: March 09, 2013 at 06:05 PM (#4385118)
My Nats fan group talked about it a lot while it was happening, and generally agreed Rizzo had earned the benefit of the doubt.

And then, speaking of RGIII, a coach took the opposite tack and it was a complete, ####### disaster, so yeah, we don't really keep bringing it up.
   13. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 08:30 PM (#4385199)
I have heard a reliable rumor it was Boras who set the innings limit for Strasburg. Rizzo had to play along to have any shot of a good relationship or an extension. Meanwhile Strasburg gets to look like the good guy by saying I wanna pitch.

It's reasonable to wonder whether Boras and Strasburg had enough leverage to make that happen, but it seems plausible.
   14. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 09, 2013 at 09:36 PM (#4385228)
I have heard a reliable rumor it was Boras who set the innings limit for Strasburg.

A reliable rumor?
   15. McCoy Posted: March 09, 2013 at 09:44 PM (#4385233)
It's only reliable if Heyman tweets it.
   16. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 10:13 PM (#4385255)

It's reasonable to wonder whether Boras and Strasburg had enough leverage to make that happen, but it seems plausible.


It seems ludicrous to me. The team bends over to satisfy a player who isn't going to be a free agent for half a decade? And are you really clamoring to extend a pitcher starting 5+ years down the line when the pitcher has already suffered one major injury?

Besides the fact that they pulled this 160-IP crap with Zimmermann also, who has a different agent. Zimmermann is not represented by Boras.

   17. K-BAR, J-BAR (trhn) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 10:20 PM (#4385262)
A reporter friend heard it off the record from someone in the organization who would know.
   18. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 09, 2013 at 10:49 PM (#4385284)
Even assuming arguendo the rumor is true, I don't see how that is a defense of the Nationals. It seems to me to be a further indictment.
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 09, 2013 at 10:55 PM (#4385293)
A reporter friend heard it off the record from someone in the organization who would know.

Or so he says. That might fall a little short of "reliable" to some folks. Reporters get things wrong all the time.
   20. Honkie Kong Posted: March 10, 2013 at 04:33 AM (#4385363)
Dead arms are supposed to be part of the Spring ritual right?
One start late in march, the starter absolutely gets pasted, and then says it was because of a dead arm.

I remember Glavine always had one of those back in the days.
   21. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: March 10, 2013 at 06:56 AM (#4385388)
A reporter friend heard it off the record from someone in the organization who would know.
Ladies and gentlemen, the American sports media!

That sounds like a story. The reporter already has an initial, apparently highly trustworthy source. It shouldn't take much more to have a publishable piece of journalism. But instead the reporter becomes a repository of specialized, insider knowledge and the story (which would embarrass all parties involved) as such remains entirely a rumor for those in the know.
   22. Bourbon Samurai is disturbed by bagel developments Posted: March 10, 2013 at 11:27 AM (#4385459)
It seems ludicrous to me. The team bends over to satisfy a player who isn't going to be a free agent for half a decade? And are you really clamoring to extend a pitcher starting 5+ years down the line when the pitcher has already suffered one major injury?

Besides the fact that they pulled this 160-IP crap with Zimmermann also, who has a different agent. Zimmermann is not represented by Boras.


Yes. It is bullshit. This is their policy, for better or for worse, with seriously injured pitchers.
   23. McCoy Posted: March 10, 2013 at 11:43 AM (#4385477)
A reporter friend heard it off the record from someone in the organization who would know.

Having worked now for almost 5 years in a rather large company with many different departments I can safely say that very very few people within an organization ever have the full picture of what is going on in said organization and that a lot of times most people have a bunch of assumptions as to why something or other is happening within the company.
   24. McCoy Posted: March 10, 2013 at 11:45 AM (#4385478)
Yes. It is ########. This is their policy, for better or for worse, with seriously injured pitchers.

The issue isn't the plan but whether or not they were going to stick to the plan once they realized they were going to contend in 2012 and then go to the playoffs. The supposed rumor isn't disputing a pre-season 160 IP limit but that the Nationals were going to stick to it no matter what. The rumor is stating that the Nationals were going to not shut down Strasburg but that Strasburg did want to be shut down and forced the Nationals to take the heat for shutting him down.
   25. Ray (RDP) Posted: March 10, 2013 at 02:31 PM (#4385583)

The issue isn't the plan but whether or not they were going to stick to the plan once they realized they were going to contend in 2012 and then go to the playoffs.


Right. If they weren't a contender, nobody would have cared.

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