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Sunday, May 23, 2010

Jose Lima dies of massive heart attack

ESPNDeportes reports that former major leaguer Jose Lima has died of a massive heart attack at his home in Los Angeles.

Lima played for six major league teams over the course of his 13-year career. His career record was 89-102 with a 5.26 ERA and a WHIP of 1.38. He was 37 years old.

Repoz Posted: May 23, 2010 at 04:56 PM | 96 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Swedish Chef Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:03 PM (#3540474)
Too young.
   2. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3540476)
We tend to think, especially when we are young, that we are going to live forever. This life is just flimsy though. May God have mercy on his soul.

That's two guys from the 2006 Mets that have died recently. Puts things in perspective.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:08 PM (#3540477)
Wow! RIP.

Sudden deaths like this are scary; no time or inclination to prepare. The person probably thinks they have decades to live.
   4. Spahn Insane Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:08 PM (#3540479)
Whoa. Too young, indeed--he was younger than I am.

Seems like yesterday I was watching him allow Sosa's 50th and 51st homers in an August '98 game (an Astro blowout); that was when he was still kinda good.
   5. PreservedFish Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:11 PM (#3540480)
A defining member of the Hall of Not That Good, But Absolutely Worth Remembering
   6. James Newburg is in awe of Cespedes' CORE STRENGTH Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:11 PM (#3540481)
That's awful.
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:14 PM (#3540483)
Thirty-seven is way too young, but given his 1999 season, his shutout in the 2004 playoffs, the $16 million he made, and the size of his wife's bazooms, they were probably 37 pretty good years.
   8. Francoeur Sans Gages (AlouGoodbye) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:18 PM (#3540485)
He's pitching meatballs to angels now.
   9. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:21 PM (#3540488)
Positively stunned. WTF!

RIP. It's Lima Time! in heaven.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:21 PM (#3540490)
He's pitching meatballs to angels now.

I doubt he cracks the starting rotation in either potential destination.
   11. JC in DC Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:24 PM (#3540492)
I feel for his wife.
   12. JMPH Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:24 PM (#3540493)
Holy ####. That's horrible.
   13. frannyzoo Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:25 PM (#3540494)
First wife mention: #7
First death by wife mention: #11 I guess. Oh, make that #13.
   14. Bob T Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:28 PM (#3540496)
Lima had gotten divorced and remarried subsequently to the event that people are thinking of. I believe he got remarried to Pedro Astacio's ex-wife.
   15. James Newburg is in awe of Cespedes' CORE STRENGTH Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:30 PM (#3540497)
A great clip of Lima with some fans in his journeyman days: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5UY3VLJQ_Pg
   16. JMPH Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:30 PM (#3540498)
As far as I can tell he didn't have kids. Not that that makes it better, but it doesn't make it worse, I guess.
   17. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:30 PM (#3540500)
I came here to express my shock and then make a snark about his wife. I sent a text to my friend and his response was also a snark about his wife. So at least we're all going to hell.
   18. McCoy Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:33 PM (#3540502)
Apparently walks clog up the arteries as well.
   19. Dan Szymborski Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:34 PM (#3540504)
Of course, now we can't make fun of him for a bunch of years.
   20. Rich Rifkin Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:34 PM (#3540505)
The only game I ever saw Lima pitch in person was probably his best game of his career. It was a playoff game between the Dodgers and Cardinals in L.A., 5-6 years ago. He threw a complete game shutout, only gave up 3-4 hits and maybe 1-2 walks. He didn't have that many strike outs, but every well-struck ball off him that day was hit right at someone. The Cardinals had a very good line-up, too. They had Pujols and very good Rolen and a good Jim Edmonds. Although I am not a Dodger fan, that stadium was rocking every time Jose Lima did his little antics on the mound following an out. That, indeed, was Lima Time.
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:34 PM (#3540506)
Wow, that is crazy. I mean this sincerely, but he was a ton of fun to watch in 2003. Great story - Royals pluck him out of the indy leagues and for two months at least, the guy was magical. Seemed like a helluva fun guy in the clubhouse when things were going well, and I still love that Mark Teahen plays Lima's band music for his ABs.

RIP Lima Time. BELIEVE IT!
   22. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:35 PM (#3540507)
I can't help but wonder if he was using steroids and other performance enhancing drugs like so many of his colleagues.

Sadly, we're going to be seeing lots of athletes dying before their time in the years ahead because of this awful epidemic.
   23. frannyzoo Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:38 PM (#3540511)
I went through a Jim Rome phase and Jose Lima was an important part of that. And yes, I liked each and every one of the "LIMA TIME" threads here. Almost sounds like a cutdown of the newly deceased guy, but if each of us could leave such good memories to others that wouldn't be such a bad deal all around.
   24. Swedish Chef Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:42 PM (#3540516)
I can't help but wonder if he was using steroids and other performance enhancing drugs like so many of his colleagues.

You can't help insinuating #### about people with not a shred of evidence?

Sadly, we're going to be seeing lots of athletes dying before their time in the years ahead because of this awful epidemic.

You mean like Ruth and Gehrig?
   25. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:44 PM (#3540518)
I went through a Jim Rome phase and Jose Lima was an important part of that.

I was debating whether to admit to my Jim Rome phase when I saw this. So I guess I'm in the company of friends and can do so. I was young, etc. But I always remember that he had Lima on and Lima vowed to win 20 games the next season. Then he did it, and then he sucked forever after. I always think of it as though he were some movie hero giving every last ounce of energy to save someone, then letting his guard down and getting killed by the bad guys.
   26. Gold Star for Robothal Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:56 PM (#3540532)
In regards to Sr. Lima's first wife, I hope people aren't so tactless that they begin recycling their old Steve Olin/Tim Crews jokes.

RIP Jose. It sure seems you had a lot of fun while you were here.
   27. SlappyMcGroundout Posted: May 23, 2010 at 05:57 PM (#3540535)
RIP Lima Time....I will always remember October 9, 2004. First time I saw the dodgers win a playoff game. I was at the game and going in to it I didn't think we had a chance. 9 innings pitched. 5 hits. 0 runs.
   28. Guapo Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:00 PM (#3540539)
Never saw his wife's boobs.






[Technically a DiPerna joke, not a Lima joke- so I may not necessarily be going to hell]
   29. Sam M. Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:05 PM (#3540544)
You know Jose Lima's not as tough as John Maine. If he were, he'd insist there's nothing wrong, he's OK to pitch and be pissed off at the medics for putting him on the DL.
   30. Brandon in MO (Yunitility Infielder) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3540549)
RIP to one of the most preposterous parts of the 2003 Royals season. Weird how the team went on a slide around the time that Lima got hurt, Appier got hurt, and most of the rotation got hurt. How a team with Jose Lima as it's #1 guy, and multiple bit players made it to within a good month of the playoffs... Ned Yost wishes he could be Tony Pena
   31. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3540550)
if each of us could leave such good memories to others that wouldn't be such a bad deal all around.

My sentiments exactly. Jose Lima may not have been a great pitcher, but he was fun to watch, and always full of joy. For an ex-All Star, and 20-game winner, to go down to an Indy League and work his way back to the majors proves that he also had moxy and determination. He was good at times, he was bad at times, but anyone who followed baseball during his career will remember him with affection and respect. RIP, Jose...
   32. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3540559)
"This is painful. Jose Lima has died," said Red Sox DH David Ortiz, who also played with Lima in the Dominican league.


The always quote-worthy Big Papi . . .
   33. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3540560)
You mean like Ruth and Gehrig?

Babe Ruth was an obese alcoholic who was born in the 19th century, and he still managed to make it to 53. Lou Gehrig died of a horrible degenerative disease which the medical world is still fighting to learn how to cure.

Neither one of these non sequiturs has anything whatsoever to do with the question of whether Lima might have been a steroid user, and whether or not it might have played a role in causing him to die of a heart attack at 37 years old.

Yes, it is nothing but pure speculation, but believe me, this sort of thing is going to come up in the minds of many people for years to come every time a former pro athlete dies of a heart attack before the age of 50.
   34. Scott Lange Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:23 PM (#3540561)
I took a girl to game at Turner Field once, and we went there early to watch batting practice. We got to enjoy watching him interact with some fans for an hour or so. Never before or since have I seen a player so friendly with so many strangers. Near the end a family friend came up with a five or six-year old son. Mr. Lima put the kid on his shoulders and ran him around the outfield in circles. The joy in the eyes of that kid and that pitcher... indescribable.

After that day, the girl and I both adopted Mr. Lima as a favorite player. When her birthday came up a few months later, I wrote letters to three favorite players of hers- David Justice, Bill Spiers, and Jose Lima- asking them to sign birthday cards for her. Spiers and Justice each did so, sending a card with a signature. Mr. Lima sent back a card completely filled with several hundred words, all in Spanish- jokes, a story, and most of all profusely thanking her for being a fan.

I am gutted to read of his passing. RIP, Jose Lima. You will be missed.
   35. asinwreck Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:27 PM (#3540564)
Jose Lima, you died too young. You also gave us a lot of entertainment over the years, which really is the point of baseball. Thanks.
   36. Sam M. Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:29 PM (#3540566)
When I was about the age Lima was yesterday, my doctor looked at my age, and my cholesterol level, and told me I had a nearly 5% chance of having a "cardiac event" before I was 50. That was kind of a stunning thing -- I'm in fairly decent shape, and while my diet sucked rocks, it didn't occur to me that just having ridiculously high cholesterol put me at such high risk. I've been on medication for it ever since, and my diet has improved substantially.

The point is -- you don't have to speculate about steroids. Simple bad genetics and maybe some lifestyle factors could have been the simplest explanation of all for what happened to Jose Lima.
   37. rLr Is King Of The Romans And Above Grammar Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:34 PM (#3540569)
The point is -- you don't have to speculate about steroids. Simple bad genetics and maybe some lifestyle factors could have been the simplest explanation of all for what happened to Jose Lima.

Indeed. Lima was kind of a tubby tub. He looked like he never met a fried plantain he didn't like. As a fellow congenitally high cholesterol person, I think it's uncouth to speculate about steroids.

Of course, if he did take steroids, they didn't do much for him.
   38. smileyy Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:37 PM (#3540570)
I'm saving all my heartlessness for Derek Bell, and "Operation Heart Shutdown".
   39. Gamingboy Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:41 PM (#3540572)
I have a Jose story. During one of his rehab stints I saw him at a minor league game. Some drunks were being loud and obnoxious, saying some words that the nanny wouldn't like. There was a group of kids- maybe 6 or 7 years old- seated in front of them. So Jose turns around and tells them to be quiet, there are kids and families around.

The world will be a lesser place without Lima Time. RIP, Jose, you were taken too soon.
   40. Guapo Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:48 PM (#3540576)
#34 is awesome. A great eulogy.
   41. Mr. J. Penny Smoltzuzaka Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:50 PM (#3540578)
Mr. Lima put the kid on his shoulders and ran him around the outfield in circles. The joy in the eyes of that kid and that pitcher... indescribable.


Thank you for sharing this about Jose Lima. I confess I came here half hoping to be entertained by what ingenious, snarky comments would be made about his wife. It's at a minimum inappropriate to make them in a man's obituary thread.

So I prefer to leave this thread with much sober and positive thoughts of this man. The snarky comments can wait for a different thread, another day.

RIP.
   42. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:52 PM (#3540580)
Lima was always one of my favorite players who never played for the Sox or the Mariners and never had any really spectacular seasons as a player. He was just fun. I remember a game when he was with maybe the Royals in which he got his butt kicked and the camera caught him in the dugout an inning or so after he got yanked, and he was standing on the steps down at the end, singing to himself. I remember there was a minor stink made out of it, but I always thought it was great.

Super perfundo, Lima Time!
   43. Alex_Lewis Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:52 PM (#3540581)
After that day, the girl and I both adopted Mr. Lima as a favorite player. When her birthday came up a few months later, I wrote letters to three favorite players of hers- David Justice, Bill Spiers, and Jose Lima- asking them to sign birthday cards for her. Spiers and Justice each did so, sending a card with a signature. Mr. Lima sent back a card completely filled with several hundred words, all in Spanish- jokes, a story, and most of all profusely thanking her for being a fan.


Great story.

My Lima memory is of him doing a pre-game interview with Vin Scully while Lima was still with the Dodgers. At Scully's urging, lima burst into song, with Scully snapping along to the melody. Funny, the things you remember...
   44. Gonfalon B. Posted: May 23, 2010 at 06:59 PM (#3540586)
Jose Lima's numbers in the 2000s: 43-62, 6.00 ERA, and 1.50 WHIP. Imagine what they'd be WITHOUT steroids.

Lima was always one of my favorite players who never played for the Sox or the Mariners and never had any really spectacular seasons as a player.

Lima's 1999 wasn't "really spectacular," but it was pretty damn good.
   45. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:04 PM (#3540590)
Damn. Assuming the personal recollections are indicative of his character, this thread is making me appreciate how much joy brought to so many people in so many ways, big and small. RIP Jose. You will ACTUALLY be missed.
   46. bob gee Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:08 PM (#3540593)
i hope melissa found him / got support payment, so that he wasn't a deadbeat dad..
   47. jwb Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:22 PM (#3540606)
#34 Scott Lange, Thanks for sharing. Deadspin knows how to get in touch with his ex-wife. She might appreciate reading that.
   48. KidCub Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:24 PM (#3540607)
Goodnight sweet prince,thanks for the 5-hit shutout against the St. Louis Cardinals,and your wifes major boobage
   49. Scott Lange Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:29 PM (#3540609)
From MLB.com:
Lima remained a beloved figure in Los Angeles, often attending Dodgers games. He took in Friday's Interleague game against the Tigers with his son Jose Jr.

I can't decide if reading that makes me more sad or less sad.
   50. gay guy in cut-offs smoking the objective pipe Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:35 PM (#3540613)
#34 is my favorite BBTF post. Ever. Thanks, Scott.
   51. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:40 PM (#3540615)
The point is -- you don't have to speculate about steroids. Simple bad genetics and maybe some lifestyle factors could have been the simplest explanation of all for what happened to Jose Lima.


The speculation about steroids is, of course, silly, but aside from that the truth is that we really don't know anything about how this man lived his life, or what caused him to die so young.

RIP. He was a player who made an indelible mark on the game.
   52. depletion Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:42 PM (#3540618)
He showed joy in what he did, which is something everyone should aspire to.
   53. Perro(s) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 07:54 PM (#3540626)
Great eulogy, Scott.

A former co-worker of mine dropped dead on Friday at 52. Even if you live to 90, your death awaits you all-too-soon. Live every day like it's Lima time.
   54. Steve Treder Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:05 PM (#3540633)
Always one of my favorite players. Done too soon.
   55. rfloh Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:13 PM (#3540637)
Damn. Sad.
   56. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:17 PM (#3540638)
The guy wasn't always the most talented player on the field, but very rarely was there someone more entertaining or one who seemed to have more fun playing a kid's game for a living.

RIP, you left the world much too soon.
   57. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:32 PM (#3540646)
Live every day like it's Lima time.
This should be the Primate Oath. RIP.
   58. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:43 PM (#3540654)
Lima owned the Brewers. He could toss the ball at home plate with nothing on it and go 7 against Milwaukee without breaking a sweat. It wasn't until he was playing out the string with the Mets that the Crew finally broke through and hung a "L" on the man. He finished his career 10-1 against Milwaukee.

I saw that game before we had to leave because of a member of our group getting ill. Lima had gotten knocked out in the fifth inning, and instead of going to the clubhouse he sat on the bench with a dazed expression. Even with a 85 mph fastball and a roundhouse curve that got to the plate via Beloit it was clear Jose felt he should have handled the Brewers.

But the guy competed with little more than machismo and guile. Once his home ballpark couldn't help he was defenseless.
   59. Benji Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:55 PM (#3540662)
This is just so sad, but I couldn't picture an elderly jose Lima. I hated when the Mets gave him those starts, but I could never hate him. The anecdotes related here are perfect illustrations of what I figured he was like outside the lines. Thanks for the fun, Lima Time. And RIP.
   60. Bernal Diaz has an angel on his shoulder Posted: May 23, 2010 at 08:58 PM (#3540667)
If you gotta croak I imagine a massive heart attack is a decent way to go out. Boom, dead before you hit the floor. Better than lingering with cancer or getting Alzhiemers or something.
   61. Everybody Loves Tyrus Raymond Posted: May 23, 2010 at 09:07 PM (#3540670)
One of my favorites ... I twice yelled "LIMA TIME!!!!" at the top of my lungs to him. He loved this. First time was at Comiskey when he was with the Royals. He was jogging in the outfield prior to starting that day, heard me yell, turned and pointed with a big grin. Second time was actually during a game. He was with the Mets in Milwaukee - I was in the front row, and someone homered for the Mets ... everyone came out of the dugout to meet him. I see him: "LIMA TIIIIIIIME!!!!!". And, in this hilarious sort of way I can't quite capture in words, he quickly stops with this serious look on his face and points both index fingers at me. Fun player. Sad day.
   62. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: May 23, 2010 at 09:10 PM (#3540672)
#34 is just <u>such</u> a great post, and a perfect eulogy.
   63. Rich Rifkin Posted: May 23, 2010 at 09:45 PM (#3540688)
"Lima owned the Brewers."

The A's were just the opposite. I don't think Lima ever did not get shelled in an appearance versus Oakland.
   64. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: May 23, 2010 at 09:49 PM (#3540692)
In 160 innings against the Cubs and Cardinals Lima gave up 44 homers.

And yes, versus Oakland his ERA was 11.25
   65. AndrewJ Posted: May 23, 2010 at 09:55 PM (#3540695)
To paraphrase Dennis the constitutional peasant in "Monty Python and the Holy Grail," Lima was 37 -- he wasn't old.

RIP to his loved ones.
   66. A Random 8-Year-Old Eskimo Posted: May 23, 2010 at 10:03 PM (#3540700)
We got to enjoy watching him interact with some fans for an hour or so. Never before or since have I seen a player so friendly with so many strangers.

I don't have an anecdote as awesome as the one in post 34, but I have been to a lot of batting practices in my life. And, I've never seen a player sign so many autographs and be as friendly with fans as Jose Lima was. And he was like that consistently during the several times that I saw him during batting practices.

I am sure that the longest I have ever seen a player sign autographs during batting practice/after BP finished was Lima. He spent so long signing autographs once that after he finished - when not a person left in the entire half of the stadium who wanted his autograph didn't have it - when he began to walk back towards the visiting dugout the two or three sections surrounding the area where Lima was signing began to applaud him vigorously, with several fans standing.

An absolute shame.
   67. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: May 23, 2010 at 10:04 PM (#3540701)
Jose and Brattain are going get along just fine. RIP.
   68. T.J. Posted: May 23, 2010 at 11:41 PM (#3540744)
Ron Shandler better have a great eulogy for him, too. 1999 helped make Shandler wealthy, I suspect.
   69. Steve Treder Posted: May 23, 2010 at 11:55 PM (#3540749)
Jose and Brattain are going get along just fine. RIP.

This brings a very big smile to my face.
   70. Gamingboy Posted: May 24, 2010 at 12:00 AM (#3540756)
Live every day like it's Lima time.


This would make a great T-Shirt.
   71. Rivers McCown Posted: May 24, 2010 at 12:03 AM (#3540759)
I was about 12 or 13, so I think this is around 1998. Me and my friends gathered in the Astrodome players parking hoping to get some autographs. Everyone was pretty mad at me because I got Jeff Bagwell's, and he was at this time, apparently a pretty rare sign. Lima makes the rounds after Bagwell, he takes my ball with the Bagwell signature, looks at it, and he says "You promise not to sue me for ruining the value on this one?"

He gave that big hearty laugh, signed it, and gave me a high five.
   72. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 24, 2010 at 12:46 AM (#3540833)
I believe he got remarried to Pedro Astacio's ex-wife.


Are you serious? I know (or at least knew) Pedro Astacio's ex-wife a little bit; our sons were on the same little league team. Very nice woman, if not quite up to the level of the erstwhile Mrs. Lima in certain assets.

This would have been about two years ago, and she lived here in Denver and was still unmarried at the time, so I suspect it may be someone else.
   73. I can't believe we're playing Francoeur(KevinHess) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 12:53 AM (#3540857)
I guess it was Lima('s) Time...
   74. I can't believe we're playing Francoeur(KevinHess) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 12:55 AM (#3540866)
I feel for his wife.


I'd like to...
   75. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 01:31 AM (#3540913)
#34 is awesome. I'll echo that Jose is one of those guys that stood out in mind as one that would sign an autograph at any opportunity. He really seemed to be grateful every day he was in the big leagues.


I can't help but wonder if he was using steroids and other performance enhancing drugs like so many of his colleagues.


I don't want to besmirch the man with rampant speculation, but to be completely honest, the first thing I thought when I heard he died was not PEDs, but recreational drug use.
   76. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: May 24, 2010 at 01:46 AM (#3540939)
When I was about the age Lima was yesterday, my doctor looked at my age, and my cholesterol level, and told me I had a nearly 5% chance of having a "cardiac event" before I was 50. That was kind of a stunning thing -- I'm in fairly decent shape, and while my diet sucked rocks, it didn't occur to me that just having ridiculously high cholesterol put me at such high risk. I've been on medication for it ever since, and my diet has improved substantially.

The point is -- you don't have to speculate about steroids. Simple bad genetics and maybe some lifestyle factors could have been the simplest explanation of all for what happened to Jose Lima.


I knew an FBI agent in the early 90's who was also a part time civil war book dealer. Excellent physical shape, good family man, and mid-to-late 30's at the oldest. Just dropped dead one day of a heart attack. You never get any guarantees.
   77. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 01:53 AM (#3540947)
RIP, Jose. You were always entertaining.

That's two guys from the 2006 Mets that have died recently. Puts things in perspective.

Who was the other one?

Lima had gotten divorced and remarried subsequently to the event that people are thinking of.

As far as I can tell he didn't have kids.

It is correct that he was divorced, although I think he did have a child. His ex-wife, Melissa, contacted Deadspin last year when she was trying to track down Jose, who she claimed owed her two years of back child support. There was also a child on the field with them the day that he sang the national anthem and she became an Internet sensation.
   78. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 01:58 AM (#3540955)
That's two guys from the 2006 Mets that have died recently. Puts things in perspective.</i

Who was the other one?


I'm guessing Julio Franco, since he is a obviously some sort of zombie.
   79. Russlan is fond of Dillon Gee Posted: May 24, 2010 at 02:01 AM (#3540959)
Geremi Gonzalez was hit by lightning nearly a year ago.
   80. Flynn Posted: May 24, 2010 at 03:50 AM (#3541049)
That 2004 playoff start was one of the more memorable playoff games I have ever seen. He really had nothing but a changeup and a lot of heart and threw a complete game 5-hit shutout vs. Pujols, Rolen, Edmonds, and Walker. RIP.
   81. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 01:33 PM (#3541186)
It is correct that he was divorced, although I think he did have a child.


He had at least the one son.

Very sad to hear.
   82. Scott Lange Posted: May 24, 2010 at 02:02 PM (#3541213)
Thanks for the kind words about #34. I'm happy to get to share some of what made him such a wonderful player to root for.

Does anyone know where I can see video from his shutout of the Cardinals in the 2004 playoffs? Thanks to MLB's draconian Youtube policy, it doesn't seem to be there, and MLB.com doesn't seem to have anything either.
   83. kthejoker Posted: May 24, 2010 at 02:14 PM (#3541223)
He had *5* kids, according to the local Houston news station.
   84. phredbird Posted: May 24, 2010 at 05:15 PM (#3541381)
As far as I can tell he didn't have kids. Not that that makes it better, but it doesn't make it worse, I guess.


LA times obit has him with 5 kids too.
   85. DanG Posted: May 24, 2010 at 06:16 PM (#3541466)
The epoch of baseball history 1990-2008 will forever be referred to as "Lima Time".

You do realize this makes Lima eligible for the next Hall of Fame ballot.
   86. pedroschange Posted: May 24, 2010 at 08:28 PM (#3541621)
What a weird career he had.

1998-1999: 37-18 .673 with a 3.64 ERA
1994-1997, 2000-2006: 52-84 .382 with a 5.98 ERA
   87. Delorians Posted: May 24, 2010 at 08:44 PM (#3541640)
Although a relatively young franchise, the Astros can (unfortunately) now claim a full staff of pitchers who died 'young'.

Don Wilson
Joe Niekro
Darryl Kile
Dick Farrell
Vern Ruhle
Dave Roberts
Jose Lima
Aurelio Lopez
Brian Powell
Dave Smith
   88. Steve Treder Posted: May 24, 2010 at 09:01 PM (#3541651)
Add Jim Umbricht and Jay Dahl for some depth, too.
   89. Ray (RDP) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 09:10 PM (#3541656)
Had forgotten about Dave Smith.
   90. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 09:37 PM (#3541673)
Cripes. I never heard about Smith. Or Lopez, for that matter.
   91. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: May 24, 2010 at 09:52 PM (#3541698)
Not to mention J.R. Richard, who came awfully close to joining that list and had his career cut tragically short.
   92. Rich Rifkin Posted: May 24, 2010 at 11:22 PM (#3541773)
I just came across a YouTube clip of Lima singing "Sweet Home Alabama" in a bar at LAX with others waiting for flights. Lima doesn't know the song, but he can sing the chorus just fine. In one part, he fills in the words with his own, singing "sweet home Dominicana, where you can? lie about your age!"
   93. Karl from NY Posted: May 26, 2010 at 12:55 AM (#3542923)
So does Lima get the Clemente/Munson exception for immediate eligibility for the Hall of Fame? He played 13 seasons which is enough.

Edit: Google shows that Darryl Kile went on the ballot immediately. But Ken Caminiti didn't - last game 2001, died 2004, received votes in 2007.
   94. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: May 27, 2010 at 12:13 PM (#3544221)
[93] It was an exception for Clemente, and I think for Munson, but they've made it a rule since then.

BBWAA HOF Election Rule 3D:

In case of the death of an active player or a player who has been retired for less than five (5) full years, a candidate who is otherwise eligible shall be eligible in the next regular election held at least six (6) months after the date of death or after the end of the five (5) year period, whichever occurs first.


EDIT: Caminiti died in October, less than six months before the voting. So he could not have been eligible for 2005, but could have been on the ballot in 2006. Now, getting on the ballot isn't strictly automatic; there is a screening committee that decides which of the eligible candidates should be listed. So maybe they decided not to invoke the rule due to the specific circumstances. Or maybe they just forgot.
   95. Delorians Posted: June 01, 2010 at 02:06 PM (#3547030)
Unfortunately, another early ex-Astro pitcher death:

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/sports/bb/7030765.html

Revised to include only those who died at age 55 or younger:

Don Wilson
Darryl Kile
Dick Farrell
Vern Ruhle
Jay Dahl
Jeriome Robertson
Jim Umbricht
Jose Lima
Aurelio Lopez
Brian Powell
Dave Smith

I believe that now every Astros team from 1962-2003 has had at least one pitcher who is no longer living.

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