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1. True Blue Posted: September 28, 2011 at 10:16 PM (#3941592)Bottom line, a cheese champion like Reyes was on a fourth place team that went 77-85 and has missed the playoffs in 10 of the last 11 years.
Nope. This ########, including Reyes attitude afterwards, actually has me rooting for Braun.
I understand what's going on, you chickensh!t #####. Why do I have to root for this cowardly display? Yes, yes, I know Reyes is far from the only guy to ever pull this crap, but it still reeks. Good for the crowd. Are they supposed to applaud this kind of thing?
3 for 4 or better.
To each his own. I totally get Jose's feelings. He's been through a ton of crap as a Met, from being blamed for things that weren't even close to his fault, being criticized for his enthusiasm and energy on the field, to having to endure repeated injuries when all he's wanted to do is play ball and help the Mets win. He's suffered through devastating collapses, and the disappointment of falling short in 2006.
He clearly wants to win this batting title badly. If he didn't choose the way you would have to go about it on the last day of the season, I really don't care. He's closed the season in style, going 13 for his last 30. He hasn't back in to anything. He's given Braun a chance to earn it, and if Braun does, so be it. For my part, I want it for Jose Reyes, who 99% of the time (with only the rarest lapse) has given great effort and tremendous excitement to Mets fans since he came up to the majors.
If this was his last moment as a Met, how sad -- but how typical of his years with the team -- that some Mets' fans can't just appreciate him, but have to slam him right to the end. He's been putting up with this crap since the beginning. I guess it truly will never end.
Braun himself claims to be fine with it:Then again, Braun would no doubt love for Reyes to be a Brewer next year (and reports were he was lobbying Jose at the All-Star Game). CJ Wilson knows a team probably can't afford both him and Jose, so he let loose:
That's the current story, but it's questionable when Collins had already said this was the plan:I suppose it's possible that Collins was relaying what he knew to be Reyes' wishes. And perhaps more importantly, if Collins did go to Reyes with this idea and Reyes objected, Collins surely wouldn't have made him do it.
So, whoever's idea it originally was, the buck ultimately stops with Reyes. We have seen a heck of a lot of both his joyous side, and his petulant side. Especially when he tells the fans that they "have to feel happy" about it, this becomes the latter. Don't get me wrong, I hope he come back to the Mets; he is a great player, and I do think his heart is in the right place. But sometimes, just... Jose.
This was really the worst possible method of trying to influence the batting title. It would have been better simply to sit out the game. It would have been better if Reyes had at least stayed in beyond literally being the first Met at-bat of the game. And -- and this part is totally on Collins -- if Jose was going to be removed from this game at all, it absolutely should have been at the beginning of the top of the inning, so that the fans could give him an ovation. I mean, this might have been the man's last game ever as a Met. Unfair to the fans, and disrespectful to the player, the latter of which is the concern that Collins says is behind this whole thing. Ugh. Bad job.
Look, I don't care what the fans think; you don't care what the fans think; and deep down in his soul, I don't think Jose Reyes honestly cares what the fans think. But if you do want to manage Jose Reyes' public relations, this is not what you do. If the fans' final memory of Jose Reyes is that he devoted his last game as a Met to protecting his own stats and then took $200 million to go play somewhere else, that is going to be a humongous obstacle towards them looking back fondly on his Met career. I feel really sure about that. I can hear the FAN callers now.
Instead he had to take this route.
You are working too hard to excuse what was a subpar decision.
He goofed and so did his manager.
No, Harveys -- you are free to disagree with me, of course, and I respect that to the umpteenth degree. But don't doubt for a moment that I am 100% serious & sincere that criticism of Jose Reyes from Mets' fans on this royally pisses me off. After all the years he's given us, with too many of the masses in the stands giving him grief as often as they've appreciated him, the absolute last thing he deserves at this point is more of the same. For a Mets' fan after all that's happened to say he's rooting for Braun to get the batting title that Jose Reyes wants so clearly, and so much, just makes me nuts.
For all the years of thrills, for all the spectacular plays, for the triples in the gaps, for the diving stops and the amazing arm, he should get this batting title, or at the very least he should get our support in his desire for it. Even if you don't like his decision, weigh that one disagreement against all he's done in the uniform, and if you still want to root for Ryan Braun, all I can say is I just don't fathom that balancing act in any way.
For me, I am glad Ryan Braun is 0-2 so far. And after tonight, I'll be rooting for Braun to kick the crap out of the other NL play-off teams in the post-season.
I'm also all for Harveys, a Brewer fan and Braun fan, taking umbrage. That is as it should be. I'm with Sam in hardly believing Met fans are upset.
The rest of us. Meh. We probably shouldn't care much either way.
You make it sound like he's doing it out of the goodness of his heart or because of his love for the Mets, and as if he's not being paid millions upon millions of dollars specifically to make those plays. Root for him all you want, but there's no denying he took the coward's route to the batting title today.
I don't care why he's doing it, or what his motivation might be. I'm sure that players play the game for a wide range of motivations, of which loving it is in there (in greater and lesser amounts, depending on the player) along with making lots of money.
So what?
The point here is that in playing the game the way he has, Jose Reyes has brought me a ton of pleasure, almost no end of memorable moments, and thrills. I've enjoyed watching him for all these years as he has developed his game, honed his skills in innumerable ways, and gotten to the point where he can have a season the way he has. That's kind of the deal with fandom, remember? The players on your team play, and if they do great things, you enjoy it? And if they accomplish important, landmark, milestone kind of things in their career, you are happy for them? I seem to recall that this is part of the joy and fun of being a fan.
Rarely is being a fan more fun than it is rooting for Jose Reyes. I've gotten so much from him, often in years when there hasn't been much more to get from being a Mets' fan -- including this year, by the way. He wants very badly to be the NL batting champion for 2011. So I want it for him. This is not a complicated thing. It's simple, in fact. And his large salary has exactly nothing to do with it.
If you want the batting title, my feeling is go out and earn it. I know everyone can't be Ted Williams, and I know Jose is far from the first person and won;t be the last person to do something like that to protect a batting title, but damn. I don't think I'm ever going to be convinced that's right.
Also, that might be the last game Jose ever played for the Mets. (I know you know this, of course). Would be kinda a sucky way for him to go out, if you ask me. I'm sure a lot of people came to the game for the express purpose of seeing Jose in what could be his last game as a Met.
But this is crap. The only question is whether the Mets management is to blame or whether to blame Reyes for taking himself out of the game. If you're up for a batting title you respect the goddamned integrity of the game by playing the full goddamned final game of the season.
edit: I admit that last sentence makes me sound like an old fuddy duddy.
Wade Boggs nearly had the batting title wrapped up, and the Red Sox had already clinched the AL East. Boggs conveniently, in many minds, sat out the series.
Don Mattingly went 2 for 4 on Thursday night, but had a long way to go.
Rainout Friday, double dip on Saturday.
Game 1, Mattingly gets a couple of hits right off the bat, and the Fenway crowd is murmuring - hey, gotta give this guy credit. He started getting applause as he came to the plate. 3 for 5 overall, I think, and as he bats for Game 2 iirc, a louder applause for his first AB. Mattingly was too far back, and went 1 for 5 or 0 for 4 or whatever, but the Fenway faithful - well aware of the Williams lore - took notice of Mattingly at least giving it the old college try.
[ducks for Tracer corrections; that's how I remember it anyway]
I have no quarrel with people thinking Reyes did the wrong thing, and even feeling strongly about it. I don't particularly agree, but OK -- I can see the other side. My only point is that, even if you feel this way, as a Mets' fan, you should STILL have been rooting for Reyes to get the batting title because despite what happened today, all the things you mentioned about his career and rooting for him all these years should outweigh his decision to come out. We're Mets' fans. Reyes has earned our loyalty, even if you don't like what he did today.
How fans of other teams feel about it, that's a whole other story.
You really don't think people would be saying the same thing if Braun did this instead of Reyes? If Braun singles in his first at bat and then took himself out of the game Mets fans wouldn't say anything? Obviously it's not a big deal, it's just a weak move no matter who does it. I don't think too many people (outside of Mets fans) have any expectations from Reyes other than to play the damn game.
Boggs had been hurt and it was well documented. There was some thought that he might play but as you note, he was headed to the postesason and there was little reason to risk injury. At the time that Boggs took off, though, there was little reason to think Mattingly had a shot at catching him. It was only after Mattingly had a few great games that even came into question.
I'm sure they did cheer out of respect but I doubt it had anything to do with Williams. Williams could have lost .400--Mattingly had nothing to lose.
a 'silly fuddy duddy' will do. fuddy duddies come at all ages, no need to single out the old ones ... : )
Go Jose!
ah, but Boggs did.
With Reyes, well - you know he's just another lazy [blank] player collecting a paycheck for playing a kid's game.
What you're asking for is blind loyalty. Sorry to disappoint you. I would have loved it if he'd done it the right way (yeah, it's an overplayed card, but in some case there's a right way to do things). He didn't. What he left us with was one more taste of the Wilpon Mets.
There's nothing at all contradictory about people who, like me, have repeatedly over the years written here how much they've enjoyed Reyes being on the Mets, being frankly disappointed with his exit.
As for both the Rays and the Cardinals getting to the postseason, holy canoli. That's nuts.
Yeah, you gotta watch your wallet when those guys are around.
Words fail me.
I would be asking blind loyalty if I said you should take Reyes's side and not criticize him. That's not it. I'm saying that whatever wrong you think he did, I cannot understand how it could outweigh the years he's played as a Met, with all that has happened to and with him. He didn't bribe official scorers to try and fix the batting race. He didn't put out a contract on Ryan Braun. Reyes came out of the last game of the season after one AB. Dislike that all you want. But to then root against him in the batting race? I'm sorry, that's 20-20 disloyalty.
I have no trouble believing that Kruk doesn't understand a lot of things - and I say that with affection.
Ditto. But also with a heaping tablespoon of feeling that it's nice that a Met finally won a batting title. For whatever that matters.
Because it is cool. Because this exact controversy we have been talking about went down the exact same way in the 1900's, the 1910's, the 1920's and on and on. It's a link to the past*. Not everything fun is valuable, and not everything valuable is fun.
*(holy ####, I just got the pun in the SNES Zelda game title)
Then you're a moron. Putting Rivera in position to pitch four times in five days would actively compromise Girardi's team's interests. Hell, Sabathia was fully rested. Why not call on him to make the start?
He's the guy who retired mid-game to preserve a career .300 average, though.
In a just world, someone would bring this up to him on-camera.
I was going to snark and say "But that gave his team the best chance to win!" but he was having a good year when he retired. (It's always fun to wander through BB-Ref. That 95 ChiSox team had Rob Dibble, Atlee Hammaker and a young Mike Cameron.
We ridiculue him for being fat, stupid and nut-deficient, but John Kruk was almost always in the middle of a year. The man was just a damn good hitter.
Fair enough -- I hadn't followed Rivera's usage the past few days closely enough to realize he's pitched three times in four days prior to last night. Of course, Girardi's first priority should be the competitive advantage of his team for the post-season.
The broader point I was getting at, which doesn't apply in the specific Rivera instance, is that you have two pretty common late-season situations that can arise, which each have been going on as long as there have been (a) pennant races, and (b) individual accolades and statistics to look at. Both involve whether great players play in, or stay in, games.
Situation A: Jose Reyes had sat yesterday (or come out of the game early) because the Mets had clinched the NL East, but the game was really important to the Reds in the NL Central and/or the Wild Card race. Thus, the game is meaningless to the Mets, but deeply meaningful to the teams competing with the Reds, who really want the Mets to try their best. Some in the media, and probably some people associated with the other teams (players, GM, coaches) will criticize Terry Collins for his decision ("integrity of the game"), and Collins will defend himself by saying he is looking out for his team's best interests.
Situation B: Jose Reyes sat yesterday (or came out of the game early) because he is trying to maximize his chances of winning the batting title. The game is meaningless to both teams, and to all other teams in the league, insofar as the post-season race is concerned. Reyes (and the Mets) are criticized for this decision because it shows he (and they) are too concerned about individual accomplishments over the team, abd didn't think of the fans at the park who paid to and wanted to see him play yesterday. Reyes is defended by saying that the individual accomplishment of the batting title is a meaningful one to him, which he earned and there is nothing at all wrong with trying to give him the best possible chance to achieve it, as long as it didn't hurt the team. Trying to help players accomplish such goals has been going on as long as they've been keeping records.
My view is that, on balance, the criticism of Collins in hypothetical Situation A would be more justified than the criticism of Reyes in real-life Situation B. A decision like that which affects the pennant race is more questionable than one which, while perhaps selfish and perhaps the wrong one, doesn't have that impact. But the fact is that in both those situations, players and managers have been going both ways -- sometimes playing, sometimes sitting -- for years. Precedent is split. So I can understand the manager getting ready for the post-season resting his players, and telling the managers of the other teams, "Sorry, but my team and winning the play-offs comes first." And I can understand why Manuel made the other choice, and played his guys against the Braves last night. Personally, I wouldn't criticize anybody who made either choice, in Situation A or Situation B. But if either one deserves it, it's the one that affects the pennant race.
It has gone way beyond the sit to protect a .300 average thing that has been around for decades
Yuck
I think the reaction would have been completely different if Reyes had at least finished the half-inning. By leaving for a pinch-runner, he rubs it in everyone's face what he's doing, just in case you couldn't guess. Finish the half-inning and pulls himself out, the fans probably give him a curtain call instead of booing.
In all of his years in Detroit, I never read one Rob Parker article where he said something positive about someone.
Sam has gone into a touchy/feely zone beyond my reckoning. Makes me want to puke actually
Yeah, Harveys has sentiment only for creatures that actually deserve it -- beagles. Ballplayers are somewhere far lower on the evolutionary scale.
This will all be forgotten by the end of next April anyway, if not by the end of this week.
Reyes? Not particularly bothered by him going out that way. Now the 2011 Mets have something associated with the word "champion" and he can go into free agency with a batting title. And be paid accordingly, as long as he doesn't pull a hamstring on the flight home.
I refuse to applaud it, or root for gutlessness to win out.
Except that it isn't. I didn't root for Reyes to get hurt, I didn't even say I didn't want him back in a Met uniform. I said only that I wanted comeuppance for a sleazy move. Reyes richly deserved to sit there on the bench, a gasping fish, while the scoreboard tracked Braun's progress: 1 for 1, 2 for 2, 2 for 3, 3 for 4, 4 for 5...
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