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Josh Hamilton on being booed by Rangers fans

Boo the dog? Seems the pom pom’s have been put away.

Josh Hamilton heard the boos showering in on him Friday night at Rangers Ballpark.

All 47,638 fans didn’t voice their displeasure with Hamilton, but a good majority let him have it after he struck out in the third and fifth inning. Hamilton went 0 for 4—but drove in two runs on a sacrifice fly and run-scoring groundout—and is now 7 for his last 59 over 16 games.

“Yeah, I noticed but it’s all about what have you done for me lately, no matter who you are,” Hamilton said. “That’s what it is. There are more fans that are still cheering and encouraging me than the ones that are booing.

“I pray for the ones that are [booing] and I appreciate the support of the other ones.”

Hamilton, who has fought addiction his entire career, has heard plenty from fans across the country. But what did he make of the hometown crowd booing him?

“It’s disappointing,” he said.

Hamilton paused and repeated: “It’s disappointing. It is. I’ll leave it at that.”

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   1. Belfry Bob Posted: July 28, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4194422)
Have never understood booing as a result of someone's failure on the court, turf, field...booing something boneheaded or boorish, I get. But does the booing fan think the guy wanted to strike out/drop the pass/etc?
   2. TomH Posted: July 28, 2012 at 10:35 AM (#4194426)
A young man who knows how to discreetly hold his tongue, even when faced with a set-up Q that says "Spike ME!". A lot more people need to be like this.
   3. frannyzoo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4194428)
A stadium crowd of 50,000 me would be pretty dull. There would be no cheering, booing or anything. I just don't have that gene, and have noticed none of my friends/acquaintances have it either. So who are these people who cheer and boo stuff? Are they human? Or am I and my friends/acquaintances from another planet?
   4. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4194442)
Always a terrific idea to boo one of the best hitters in the league, who just happens to be a free agent in a couple months. That'll help the ballclub.
   5. BDC Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4194449)
Quite apart from the fact that I wouldn't boo Josh Hamilton even if one of his loose bats hit me in the head, I boo nobody. Except the visiting pitcher when he issues an intentional walk, gotta do that.
   6. Eddo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:21 AM (#4194451)
Have never understood booing as a result of someone's failure on the court, turf, field...booing something boneheaded or boorish, I get. But does the booing fan think the guy wanted to strike out/drop the pass/etc?

Agreed.
   7. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4194454)
Is it really that hard to understand? Not that it's reasonable, but a mix of less than wonderful life, fantasy investment, resentment of the player's salary, and a few beers would be my guess.
   8. TerpNats Posted: July 28, 2012 at 11:42 AM (#4194459)
Always a terrific idea to boo one of the best hitters in the league, who just happens to be a free agent in a couple months. That'll help the ballclub.
I would be shocked (and not in a "Casablanca" way) to see Josh Hamilton with another team next year. From the ballpark to the cultural mindset of the area, the Rangers appear to be the ideal fit for Hamilton, and one would think he knows it, too.

That doesn't mean that if I were Mike Rizzo, I wouldn't pursue him if he became available this off-season -- as East Coast markets go, Washington fans are certainly far less jaded (in a baseball sense) than Philly, New York or Boston, and Hamilton would make the Nationals' offense dangerous and provide outfield skills to complement Harper's. But the Metroplex appears to be Hamilton's comfort zone, the occasional boo notwithstanding.
   9. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 12:09 PM (#4194469)
i regularly defend booing and think most of the posters who claim to not boo are full of it or being holier than thou

specific to hamilton he is considered the team's best player and people expect him to not stink. when he does they are disappointed

this is not complex. c'mon, stop being willfully dense

i boo lack of effort and stupidity

i never booed robin yount not because he was robin yount but because he always hustled and never saw do something stupid in person

stopped booing ned yost because it was just too often. he wore me out
   10. cardsfanboy Posted: July 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4194472)
i regularly defend booing and think most of the posters who claim to not boo are full of it or being holier than thou


Why do you think they are full of crap? I understand defending the practice, but why do you think everyone boos a player? I never have, and don't think there will ever come a time that it would even enter my mind. Yes if Jeff Loria walked onto the field for some reason, I would be sorely tempted to boo. Beyond that I cannot comprehend the desire to boo anyone. I understand booing a "uniform" a little bit more, that makes some sense to me, but it's not an action that I would partake because it's not what I do.

I do not understand the people that boo their own star player, regardless of the reasons they give to justify it.
   11. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: July 28, 2012 at 12:22 PM (#4194476)
I don't think I have ever actually said the word "boo" to a player, but I've certainly said "Aw come on what the hell was that?" a million times. Is that considered booing?
   12. Monty Posted: July 28, 2012 at 12:25 PM (#4194478)
I've booed umpires and referees, but not players.
   13. Bob Tufts Posted: July 28, 2012 at 12:49 PM (#4194490)
They weren't booing Hamilton, it was much worse than that. They were taunting him by saying "booze".
   14. MC Skat Kat kann es eigentlich kaum erwarten Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:11 PM (#4194496)
What if you just hate the guy? Then, if he doesn't play well, the only thing that makes you tolerate him evaporates.
   15. Eddo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4194498)
OK, so I do understand why fans boo underperforming players, for the reasons Mayor Blomberg highlights.

However, I think it's dumb.

And Harv, I do boo. I boo players on the other team. I boo bad calls. I boo players who are dogging it. I boo managerial decisions. I boo when players make a boneheaded play (not tagging up, for example).

But someone who's just struggling, but still giving effort? I don't boo that.
   16. Dudefella Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:37 PM (#4194514)
I was saying boo-amilton.
   17. BDC Posted: July 28, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4194519)
I'm certainly susceptible to seizing the moral high ground, but I really wasn't doing that in #5, just describing myself. I also don't cheer a huge amount, though I clap for good plays, and I quite honestly often applaud a good play by the visiting team.

I do wish that there were some way for Mr Ryan or Mr Daniels to say "Josh is a great player, but we're going to take a calculated risk and not re-sign him, because he's injury-prone, getting older, and probably won't be worth what he's offered by other teams, especially by the end of his next contract." Instead, team management and some in the media have been cheapening him as they go along, taking a sort of sour-grapes-in-advance approach. It's annoying, but it's business as usual. And no, I'm not going to start booing Nolan Ryan about it :)
   18. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 02:12 PM (#4194523)
i have no issue with folks who say that booing is wrong or they don't approve of booing but i find the claim to not understand booing ridiculous

people have been booing for thousands of years for all kinds of reasons sports or otherwise

it's in the dna

for folks to express befuddlement about what prompts a boo is to say one doesn't get why people breathe.

give me a break
   19. frannyzoo Posted: July 28, 2012 at 02:16 PM (#4194529)
Harveys: No moral high ground intended from this non-boo guy, it's just not in the DNA, somehow. I will clap here and there, in that jazz trumpeter just finished a solo sort of way, but hollering and such just ain't in me. Nothing against those with the hollering gene, although there are certainly ######## who go crazy with it. There are non-hollerers who are ########, too. It's not befuddlement, it's just difference.

Edit: Okay, I will admit I think the ####### ratio is higher in the holler camp.
   20. Mayor Blomberg Posted: July 28, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4194534)
Edit: Okay, I will admit I think the ####### ratio is higher in the holler camp.

Nah, just more obvious.
   21. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: July 28, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4194537)
I don't think I have ever actually said the word "boo" to a player, but I've certainly said "Aw come on what the hell was that?" a million times. Is that considered booing?
I once said something that loud enough for Jay Bell to hear. He'd just made an error that cost his team a couple of runs, and was trudging back to the dugout. I was in the front row behind the dugout, and the weeknight crowd was sparse. He looked up at me and shrugged, but you could tell from the look on his face that he was killing himself on the inside. Kind of took the boo out of me.

Now I #####, whine, and moan with the best of them, but I don't boo and I don't shout things at players. I just don't have it in me.
   22. PreservedFish Posted: July 28, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4194552)
Have never understood booing as a result of someone's failure on the court, turf, field...booing something boneheaded or boorish, I get. But does the booing fan think the guy wanted to strike out/drop the pass/etc?


I'm not much of a booer, but when I read a comment like this I do think that it looks like feigned incomprehension, as Harvey's said. Isn't this really easy to answer? These fans don't care about intentions, they care about results.
   23. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4194560)
pf

good phrase. feigned incomprehension

much more sophisticated than horseshit
   24. Srul Itza Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:16 PM (#4194587)
I always made noise at the ball park and at arenas. It is one of the few places that you can do that in public. It is part of the fun for a lot of people who go out to the games.

I never booed the home town players. I don't think that helps anything.

I regularly booed the other players, and boo loudest at their best players. Again, it is just part of the fun. I doubt it much affected them, except maybe to inspire them to perform better, so it was probably counterproductive. Still, you've got to let them know you care.

Booing and baiting umps and refs is a separate issue and a moral imperative.

All of this applies to the pros. I never booed college players. It just seemed wrong.
   25. base ball chick Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:24 PM (#4194592)
players who dog it - OBVIOUSLY dog it deserve booing. lik not bothering to go after a ball you just dropped or booted, or just hacking at the end of the game so it will be over

umps who make bad calls then throw out the player or manager deserve boos

TLR getting tossed deserves cheers

opposing (star) players who always kill your team get boos (respect)

booing your stupid manager who does the leftylefty roogyroogy shtt with EVERY guy in the bullpen over 2 innings is righteous.

booing a guy who is trying but failing is bad - although sometimes it needs to be done to send a message to the manager/ownership - see jason smith, astro, playing instead of edwin maysonet.

booing nolan ryan (may he rot in a bad place) is always the right thing to do.
   26.     Hey Gurl Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4194598)
What if you just hate the guy? Then, if he doesn't play well, the only thing that makes you tolerate him evaporates.


Yes.

"I pray for the booers" makes me want to boo him.
   27. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:41 PM (#4194606)
I've never booed a player who was giving an honest effort, regardless of result. I've never booed a player just because he was on an opposing team. The times I can remember booing a player were because I felt a player had made a dirty play, especially soccer players who were red carded for making a dangerous tackle.
   28. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:43 PM (#4194614)
The only players I boo or jeer at are pitchers who throw to first more than twice in an inning. I am vicious and merciless with them. Yes, I know that annoys you more than the pitcher himself does. I just don't give a damn. I hate pitchers throwing over and over to bases with irrational fervor.
   29. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:50 PM (#4194622)
i freely admit, embrace and hold my head high at booing wes helms. that sob got a job because he was buddies with the manager, showed up the following spring 25 lbs overweight, didn't bother to even try and lose the suet as the season went along, played horrible ball, his pal put him in the middle of lineup despite his .350ish slugging percentage and then had the gall to play the wounded victim when he got hurt and fans celebrated his absence from the lineup

i booed him when he slogged his way to his undeserved position, i booed him at the plate, i booed with every fiber of my being at his mere presence in the stadium.

he, and his buddy the moronager, merited vigorous and focused booing and when leadership heard our cries they sent helms into the wilderness and the dugout was cleansed and the team could begin making strides toward respectability.

even now i will boo the mere mention of his name as it represents the nadir of the organization as the team had a semblance of talent and instead of play determined by merit it was by who heed-hawed the loudest at the manager's sorry excuse for humor.

wes helms. boooooooooooo i say boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
   30. Lassus Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4194623)
The only players I ever recall booing live on my own team were Roger Cedeno and Tom Glavine.

I was also part of the crowd chanting PITCH! THE! BALL! PITCH! THE! BALL! at Trachsel one day.
   31. Sweatpants Posted: July 28, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4194626)
You're doing some players a disservice by not booing them. Guys like John Rocker (pre-racist comments, even), Terrell Owens - there are guys who, for whatever reason, try to play up their role as villains and make the game more exciting that way. I wish I'd been around to experience Gaylord Perry; he sounds like a pro wrestler who you KNEW had brass knuckles on him, and the only guy in the arena oblivious to it was the referee.

Edit:
I was also part of the crowd chanting PITCH! THE! BALL! at Trachsel one day.
This is pretty funny.
   32. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:21 PM (#4194648)
wes helms. boooooooooooo i say boooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
First of all, this post was wonderfully entertaining. I can almost hear you speaking it in a disgusted, piss-and-vinegar voice.

Second, looking at Wes Helms' career stats on B-Ref, I find myself amazed that a guy like this managed to put together a 13 year career in the Major Leagues despite having exactly ONE good season (and that was late in his career, 2006 with the Marlins, and even still he only had 278 PA that year). What was his secret?
   33. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4194656)
esoteric

kisses butt, willing to hang on a bench and pinch hit, can attempt to play first or third.
   34. The kids disappeared, now Der-K has too much candy Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:50 PM (#4194660)
I've booed few folks. Mostly legacy scrubs (John schuerholz jr, for one)
   35. JE (Jason) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:53 PM (#4194661)
I was saying boo-amilton.

Booz Allen?

Too bad there's a rain delay in the Bronx. I am curious to know Tim McCarver's opinion on the subject matter.
   36. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4194663)
kind of bummed the yanks/bosox game is delayed. lester getting lit up fascinates me.
   37. Bob Tufts Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:57 PM (#4194664)
Forget booing mere baseball players. Why not apply the same logic to the DMV, Congress (and virtually all government entities) and boo people that truly don't give a crap or 100% at any time? However, if you boo people who actually do things that mean a damn in our lives, the police or FBI will intercede.

   38. Tripon Posted: July 28, 2012 at 04:59 PM (#4194666)
Have never understood booing as a result of someone's failure on the court, turf, field...booing something boneheaded or boorish, I get. But does the booing fan think the guy wanted to strike out/drop the pass/etc?


2008 Andruw Jones wanted to strike out/drop the pass/etc.
   39. JE (Jason) Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:04 PM (#4194669)
Forget booing mere baseball players. Why not apply the same logic to the DMV, Congress (and virtually all government entities) and boo people that truly don't give a crap or 100% at any time? However, if you boo people who actually do things that mean a damn in our lives, the police or FBI will intercede.

Instead of uploading a photo, what if LoMo had simply booed the breastfeeding woman in Nordstrom? [ducks]
   40. Bob Tufts Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:10 PM (#4194674)
what if LoMo had simply booed the breastfeeding woman in Nordstrom? [ducks]


He isn't registering displeasure, he's saying "boobs!"
   41. Kurt Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:22 PM (#4194678)
I don't generally boo baseball players, but I find it comes in handy around the house. When my daughter forgets to clear her place after dinner, that sort of thing.
   42. Belfry Bob Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:31 PM (#4194686)
I don't suffer from 'feigned incomprehension.' I have a distinct opinion on WHY fans boo players on their own team who are struggling. I was just trying to be polite and not call them 'jerks' and 'wannabes.'

I've heard 'fans' booing players on their own team at high school football and basketball games, for pete's sake.

Hey, I can boo the Yankees with the best of 'em. But I might be frustrated with Matt Wieters and his 1-for-60 or whatever it currently is, but I'm not inclined to BOO him.

Now if A-Rod was an Oriole, I might be forced to concede the point.
   43. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:34 PM (#4194690)
kurt

when two of my boys were in their teens i told them we would work through dinner and until late on a saturday because it was harvest time and we had to get this corn done. they both had 'plans' and in response booed me

i let them vent and then told them they could expect a bonus in their paychecks (i paid my kids for work around the farm)

they were somewhat mollified but there was still murmured griping through the evening.

must have been some hot dates..........
   44. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: July 28, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4194691)
amateurs should not be booed save for inappropriate behavior like rude gestures or similar like actions.

   45. Walt Davis Posted: July 28, 2012 at 07:18 PM (#4194744)
All 47,638 fans didn’t voice their displeasure with Hamilton

Boo!
   46. Nolan Giesbrecht Posted: July 28, 2012 at 10:55 PM (#4194914)
At Winnipeg Jets' games the fans have started a tradition of booing the other team's captain every time they touch the puck. From a couple interviews I've heard, the recipients of the boos seem to enjoy; which makes sense as its obviously a lot different than being uniquely singled out for a booing.

I get mad at players on the home team and yell at the tv, but have not booed anyone at a game.

edit: nevermind, I have. My first Jays game ever I saw Esteban Loaiza shut out the Jays, giving up only four hits. And I joined in on the booing. He was much hated for a while due to his service costing the Jays Mr. Young, playing poorly, and then nearly winning a Cy Young award after leaving.
   47. TerpNats Posted: July 29, 2012 at 01:02 AM (#4194990)
What if LoMo had simply booed the breastfeeding woman in Nordstrom? [ducks]

He isn't registering displeasure, he's saying "boobs!"
In which case the woman might have misconstrued his reaction and pulled him over for a taste, a la Courtney Love on a New York street. (Then again, considering what substances probably existed in Courtney Love's breastmilk after all those years of mainlining, etc., it's a wonder that guy didn't instantaneously collapse on the sidewalk after ingesting it.)
   48. Bruce Chen's Huge Panamanian Robot Posted: July 29, 2012 at 01:12 AM (#4194997)
“I pray for the ones that are [booing] and I appreciate the support of the other ones.”


Ah, the arrogance of born-again Christians.
   49. Dan Lee is some pumkins Posted: July 29, 2012 at 08:28 AM (#4195041)
At Winnipeg Jets' games the fans have started a tradition of booing the other team's captain every time they touch the puck.
When I was a kid, for several years my family had season tickets for Canton Invaders indoor soccer games. I don't know how it started, but every time (arch-rival) Louisville's captain Keith Tozer touched the ball, everyone would boo.

Tozer was bald, and eventually the fans in Canton started booing any bald player from any opposing team who touched the ball. It was wonderfully goofy, even if the negative karma has moved my hairline back a couple inches as an adult.
   50. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: July 29, 2012 at 09:37 AM (#4195051)
I don't like players who are violent toward women, so I'll boo rapists and wife-beaters, even if they're on the home team. I'll also boo a flagrant lack of effort, e.g. Ronny Paulino passively letting balls sail through his 5-hole and then casually jogging after them, over and over.
   51. ecwcat Posted: July 29, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4195333)
Belfrey Bob: "Have never understood booing as a result of someone's failure on the court, turf, field...booing something boneheaded or boorish, I get. But does the booing fan think the guy wanted to strike out/drop the pass/etc?"

Man, that's snobby.

I never boo an amateur unless he or she breaks the rules, but booing starts at school and goes to the pros.

We boo for a few reasons, although I don't know why this should be explained to Belfry Bob:

1) Because we hope to condition the players not to mess up again.
2) Because they get paid a lot.
3) Because we may not like their interviews or personality.
4) Because sometimes they give the impression of not playing hard enough.
5) Because we're trying to communicate to the organization to replace or demote the player (it works in New York).
6) Because we're all closet pro wrestling fans.

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