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Monday, April 08, 2013

Josh Hamilton on early woes: ‘I’d suck anywhere right now’

It was painful at times, and the Texas homecoming was nastier than Los Angeles Angels right fielder Josh Hamilton ever envisioned, but finally it’s over.

“Rough crowd,” said Hamilton, after the Angels’ 7-3 defeat Sunday night to the Texas Rangers, concluding the three-game series. “It was a little more hectic than I expected. The persistence of the crowd. The first day, with the first couple of at-bats, I understood. I was able to block it out a lot better later.

“It was a little surprising, but not really surprising. It was a little disappointing more than anything, probably. I don’t take it personal.

“But it’s over, the first time back, all that’s over with now.”

There were comments posted on Twitter that Hamilton, who spent the last five years in Texas, reacted to the Rangers’ boos and taunts with an obscene gesture, but Hamilton vehemently denied the accusations.

“I would never do that, ever,” said Hamilton, a devout Christian. “I think it was the other way around. Many times.”

...When asked if he felt it would be easier when the Angels come back to town in the future, the next time on July 29, he had his doubts the boos would subside, or that there would be fewer taunts about his drug addiction.

“I don’t think it will get less and less,” he said. “But I think it will be easier for me because I’ve been through it.

“When they’re out there chanting things, it’s like, “All right, I made a mistake in the past. I lived with it. I asked for forgiveness for the man upstairs.’ So how could that possibly hurt my feelings? Or discourage me or anything like that?”

Hamilton stopped, smiled, and said: “I’d like to think they were booing the front office here.”

Thanks to Los.

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   1. Rowland Office Supplies Posted: April 08, 2013 at 08:19 AM (#4407263)
That's about as much of a "Context is everything" quote as has ever been posted here.
   2. BDC Posted: April 08, 2013 at 08:58 AM (#4407283)
Odd, but I don't have anything of the animus towards Hamilton that I have towards AROD. I understand, hurt feelings all round, joy will be taken in beating the Angels (though when has that ever not been the case in Arlington), but as to his play as a Ranger, it was great, the team was uniquely successful while he was here, and probably both he and the Texas front office made very smart moves in the 2012-13 offseason WRT his contract. Not only do I not boo players to begin with, but I don't even have a secret urge to boo Josh Hamilton.

Much of this comes down, I'd guess, to some fans' obscure sense that we were the ones who took him in when nobody else would, and why is he leaving us for this trophy wife :)
   3. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 08, 2013 at 09:04 AM (#4407286)
but as to his play as a Ranger, it was great, the team was uniquely successful while he was here, and probably both he and the Texas front office made very smart moves in the 2012-13 offseason WRT his contract. Not only do I not boo players to begin with, but I don't even have a secret urge to boo Josh Hamilton.

This is all very reasonable. I think, looking at it from a distance, the anger toward him is he was the poster boy for their "choking" down the stretch last year (capped off by his inexplicable drop of a can of corn on the last day of the season against the A's) and that he joined the Angels and Rangers fans and Angels fans seem to hate each other at the moment. Plus, he seems like the kind of guy who, when he's on your team, you'll forgive a lot of stuff, but as soon as he leaves you realize how annoyed you were by him the whole time. I think Jason Giambi fits that bill for me. Loved him when he was raking for the A's, but from a distance, his Vegas Dude-Bro act was kind of annoying.
   4. Bitter Mouse Posted: April 08, 2013 at 09:13 AM (#4407295)
I think fans should feel OK booing whoever they want for whatever reason they want. I think there are obviously things fans can do that are out of bounds (both verbal and physical). Of course I also like it when some atheletes take on the villain persona (looking at you AJ). In real life I (of course) wish Josh, AJ, and everyone else the best.
   5. BDC Posted: April 08, 2013 at 09:14 AM (#4407296)
he was the poster boy for their "choking" down the stretch last year (capped off by his inexplicable drop of a can of corn on the last day of the season against the A's)

That's certainly a factor. For me, the dropped ball was a straw on a camel everyone had helped load up :)
   6. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: April 08, 2013 at 09:20 AM (#4407299)
That's certainly a factor. For me, the dropped ball was a straw on a camel everyone had helped load up :)

If it makes Josh feel better, all 12 of us A's fans hold him in high regard!
   7. bunyon Posted: April 08, 2013 at 09:30 AM (#4407306)
I get booing. But most games I've been to, there are a number (probably not a great number but certainly non-zero) who are extremely vulgar, involve families, personal hardships, etc.

And then if a guy responds to that with the finger, he's a bad guy. I kind of think we're all fortunate that these giant men who are paid not to be deep and wise but to be fierce competitors manage to keep themselves on the field when people yell at them about their mothers and their children and their struggles to be better people instead of leaping the tiny walls and beating us senseless as they, no doubt, physically could. I've never understood that level of anger and hatred at a ball game.
   8. Depressoteric Posted: April 08, 2013 at 10:20 AM (#4407331)
I've never understood that level of anger and hatred at a ball game.
Do you understand internet trolls?

Well then you understand these guys. It's the same basic idea: there's no real anger or hatred from those fans. What they want is to provoke a reaction. It entertains them and makes them feel powerful; they get pleasure from the ability to goad someone else into acting, and therefore being in control of the situation ("see guys, if I poke this dog with this stick, it growls!"). Also, some hecklers may be purely cynical in the sense that they think it's a way to mentally distract the player.

It's just about entertaining one's self and, to a lesser extent, gamesmanship. I seriously doubt that a single Josh Hamilton heckler is doing it from a sense of genuine anger. (Now, Mariners fans and A-Rod? THAT IS a situation where the hard feelings were 100% legit, whether 'justified' or not, for years and years.)
   9. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: April 08, 2013 at 10:20 AM (#4407333)
The only player I have ever booed is Brad Wilkerson. And I still would. Like, if I saw him on the street. "Boo! Boo, Brad Wilkerson! Boo."
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: April 08, 2013 at 10:30 AM (#4407338)
Much of this comes down, I'd guess, to some fans' obscure sense that we were the ones who took him in when nobody else would, and why is he leaving us for this trophy wife :)


Didn't many of those guys who took in poor downtrodden Josh turn on him pretty sharply long before he hit free agency? It seemed like Ranger fans, front office people, concessionaires, well pretty much everyone in Arlington, was offering to take him to the airport as soon as the 2012 season ended.

   11. Spectral Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:15 AM (#4407393)
Do you understand internet trolls?

I think that pretty well covers it. Personally, I don't understand internet trolls from an empathic standpoint, I can only try to understand it intellectually. The desire to wound others is not something I can relate to at all. I don't like Josh Hamilton (well, at least as much as I can "not like" someone I've never met and don't know), and I'd cheer for him being struck out, but I can't imagine feeling some urge to verbally harass him.
   12. john_halfz Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:23 AM (#4407400)
This thread cries out for 'zop's perspective on the appropriateness of booing Javier Vazquez when you've paid $110 to watch him pitch in the broiling August sun.
   13. dr. scott Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:25 AM (#4407403)
At the WBC semis and finals at AT&T park, everyone booed Hanley Ramirez, which I thought was hysterical.

SF fans never pass up a chance to boo a Dodger.
   14. bunyon Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:27 AM (#4407407)
I should have specified that I meant "understanding" as in gut level, really getting it. I get it, too, at the intellectual level, just am amazed that people actually feel that way. I think the analogy to internet trolling is apt, though. And I don't understand that, again at gut level, either.
   15. cardsfanboy Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4407415)
The only player I have ever booed is Brad Wilkerson. And I still would. Like, if I saw him on the street. "Boo! Boo, Brad Wilkerson! Boo."


I haven't ever booed anyone, but if I did (and it was to a player) it would be Tino Martinez...(There is also a pitcher that the Cardinals gave an NRI to, who didn't make the team, that I would boo, if I could remember his name. He said some petty crap and spat on the uniform--can't remember who it was though.)

Of course booing Jeff Loria should be written into the Constitution. (Or if we can find a way to legally stone him, I'll sign that petition)
   16. Nasty Nate Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:33 AM (#4407417)
I think, looking at it from a distance, the anger toward him is he was the poster boy for their "choking" down the stretch last year


I know fandom is not rational, but he should have gotten a grace period after game 6 for any criticisms on the clutch/choke continuum.
   17. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:37 AM (#4407423)
I remember booing Raul Mondesi when he was on the Pirates, but I don't remember why.
   18. Dolf Lucky Posted: April 08, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4407502)
I have booed Eric Milton, and I carry no shame.
   19. Astroenteritis (tom) Posted: April 08, 2013 at 01:08 PM (#4407516)
I booed Pete Rose when I was a kid, but I'm not sure I've ever booed anyone else. And there's no doubt Pete probably didn't mind the booing at all.

I guess Carlos Beltran is the guy Astro fans are supposed to boo, but I wouldn't boo him; he almost got them to the World Series in '04 and I like him. And he plays for what is now my favorite NL team.

   20. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 08, 2013 at 01:21 PM (#4407529)
From now on, I rag no one.
   21. smileyy Posted: April 08, 2013 at 01:26 PM (#4407533)
I should have specified that I meant "understanding" as in gut level, really getting it. I get it, too, at the intellectual level, just am amazed that people actually feel that way. I think the analogy to internet trolling is apt, though. And I don't understand that, again at gut level, either.


I can understand it from a base indulgence point of view. But as an adult, base indulgences like gorging myself on jellybeans on Easter makes my stomach hurt something awful, so I don't do it.
   22. Bob Tufts Posted: April 08, 2013 at 01:45 PM (#4407555)
I have booed Eric Milton, and I carry no shame.


I only booed Milton afrer paradise lost.
   23. The Good Face Posted: April 08, 2013 at 01:48 PM (#4407558)
I think, looking at it from a distance, the anger toward him is he was the poster boy for their "choking" down the stretch last year


I know fandom is not rational, but he should have gotten a grace period after game 6 for any criticisms on the clutch/choke continuum.


Based on the Rangers fans I've talked to, they didn't so much think he wasn't clutchy as they believed he quit on the team, or least demonstrated something less than the desired level of focus/effort/attention, etc. There was the Great Midseason Slump of 2012 "God told me to quit using tobacco in May.", the missed time during the stretch run "I drank too many energy drinks and it dried out my eyeballs. Srsly.", and of course the dreadful performances in the pivotal last two games of 2012 where he exibited the energy and alacrity typically associated with tranquilized sloths.

I don't know that any of that is really convincing evidence that Hamilton "quit" on the team, or didn't try his hardest, but it looked pretty bad and I can see why a lot of fans weren't happy.
   24. Matt Welch Posted: April 08, 2013 at 02:00 PM (#4407571)
I think my adult booing of people once associated with my team has been limited to Scott Schoeneweis and J.C. Romero, though maybe Mo Vaughn slipped in there too.
   25. Matt Welch Posted: April 08, 2013 at 02:01 PM (#4407572)
Hamilton seemed to find his stroke yesterday, BTW.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 08, 2013 at 02:18 PM (#4407599)
There were comments posted on Twitter that Hamilton, who spent the last five years in Texas, reacted to the Rangers’ boos and taunts with an obscene gesture, but Hamilton vehemently denied the accusations.

“I would never do that, ever,” said Hamilton, a devout Christian. “I think it was the other way around. Many times.”


This is a weird juxtaposition. I must have missed the "Thous shalt not give ass***** the finger" commandment.
   27. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: April 08, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4407601)
Molitor was booed by many upon his return to Milwaukee after signing with Toronto.

The nastiest booing I recall seeing is that of Gary Sheffield, who managed to avoid playing again in Milwaukee until 1999 when he was LAD. It was a rainy, crummy evening, very small August crowd (I think Nomo started for MKE), but they were all over him. One fan belted out a very loud '#### You Sheffield' during one of those very quiet moments in a game, which was quite audible and met with wild applause.
   28. F171615 Posted: April 08, 2013 at 02:55 PM (#4407649)
I'm not a booer, but I remember feeling supportive of fans booing Frank Francisco in Oakland. But that seemed reasonable after he criminally assaulting fans during a game, and in cowardly manner as well (see a fight brewing, hide behind several people; and then randomly throw a chair into a crowd). Beyond me how baseball didn't take more action to remove Francisco from the sport of baseball.
   29. Willie Mayspedester Posted: April 08, 2013 at 03:09 PM (#4407671)
He did kill a fan...

Ok that wasn't his fault he was being nice.
   30. Nasty Nate Posted: April 08, 2013 at 03:59 PM (#4407736)
Based on the Rangers fans I've talked to, they didn't so much think he wasn't clutchy as they believed he quit on the team, or least demonstrated
something less than the desired level of focus/effort/attention, etc.


Thanks. I do understand it a little better.
   31. puck Posted: April 08, 2013 at 04:10 PM (#4407744)

This is a weird juxtaposition. I must have missed the "Thous shalt not give ass***** the finger" commandment.

Turn the other cheek. Or, What Would Randy Moss Do?
   32. WillYoung Posted: April 08, 2013 at 05:10 PM (#4407800)
Only person I have booed at a Twins game is Scott Ullger.
   33. Walt Davis Posted: April 08, 2013 at 05:16 PM (#4407807)
Hamilton seemed to find his stroke yesterday, BTW.

Coupled with the headline ....
   34. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 08, 2013 at 06:22 PM (#4407893)
I'd suck on a boat.
I'd suck with a goat.
I'd suck in the rain.
I'd suck on a train.
I'd suck in the dark! I'd suck in a tree!
I'd suck in a car! You let me be!
I'd suck in a box.
I'd suck with a fox.
I'd suck in a house.
I'd suck with a mouse.
I'd suck here or there.
I'd suck ANYWHERE!
   35. tshipman Posted: April 08, 2013 at 06:33 PM (#4407905)
The only sports figure I would boo as a Giants fan would be Livan. I'd boo him if I saw his fat ass on the street. He'd probably be eating a sandwich.
   36. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 08, 2013 at 07:29 PM (#4407972)
I boo early and boo often.

   37. Kurt Posted: April 08, 2013 at 07:55 PM (#4407995)
I don't generally boo players, but I will admit to going to a minor league hockey game the other night and yelling at one of the players as he skated by that he was a punk. Because he was.
   38. Willie Mayspedester Posted: April 08, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4408003)
I like booing, it's all in good fun. I boo home players when they really blow it and out of town players when I feel like it. That said I wouldn't look up personal problems that weren't in the mainstream media or say anything really below the belt. I think players like getting booed for the most part.
   39. boteman is not here 'til October Posted: April 08, 2013 at 11:03 PM (#4408104)
Maybe those guys who were really giving it to Hamilton bet big money on the Rangers in the playoffs and hold him responsible for their financial ruin?
   40. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:38 AM (#4408185)
Never Booed in my life. I did threaten Alan Embree once at a meetup though in 2005....
   41. Dan Posted: April 09, 2013 at 03:47 AM (#4408186)
Alan Embree... Man, whatever he was taking when the Sox acquired him from San Diego worked wonders. Dude was throwing 99 MPH from the left side for a bit there.
   42. Fancy Pants Handles lap changes with class Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:28 AM (#4408199)
I'd suck on a boat.
I'd suck with a goat.
I'd suck in the rain.
I'd suck on a train.
I'd suck in the dark! I'd suck in a tree!
I'd suck in a car! You let me be!
I'd suck in a box.
I'd suck with a fox.
I'd suck in a house.
I'd suck with a mouse.
I'd suck here or there.
I'd suck ANYWHERE!

Wow, I hope you brought a big bag of dicks then...
   43. villageidiom Posted: April 09, 2013 at 06:53 AM (#4408203)
From now on, I rag no one.
Until the first interleague series with the Dodgers, when Josh Beckett comes to town, right?
   44. A Dying Soul Posted: April 09, 2013 at 07:34 AM (#4408211)
I remember booing Raul Mondesi when he was on the Pirates, but I don't remember why.


I remember booing him when he was in LA...i think he made some comments in the paper the day before about not liking it there, and everyone seemed to boo him that day.

i also remember doing the 'Daaaarrryl' whenever Strawberry came up. Not sure if it was meant as insult or what, was too young heh. Seemed like every time he came up he got an out :(
   45. rb's team is hopeful for the new year! Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:02 AM (#4408243)

Wow, I hope you brought a big bag of dicks then...


You should read more.
   46. BDC Posted: April 09, 2013 at 09:26 AM (#4408255)
pretty much everyone in Arlington, was offering to take him to the airport

True that, but there was a brief attempt at reconciliation at the time of the winter meetings, when it was widely reported that the Rangers would sign Hamilton, and it looked like all was forgiven. Then the dastard went to Anaheim without even giving Texas the chance to make a final offer, oh the perfidy, etc. etc. :)
   47. The Polish Sausage Racer Posted: April 09, 2013 at 11:29 AM (#4408386)
Sheffield richly deserved his booing in Milwaukee.
   48. AROM Posted: April 09, 2013 at 01:55 PM (#4408559)
Maybe those guys who were really giving it to Hamilton bet big money on the Rangers in the playoffs and hold him responsible for their financial ruin?


Guy hits a 2 run homer in the 10th inning of WS game 6. Should have known his bullpen required at least a 3 run lead.
   49. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: April 09, 2013 at 04:42 PM (#4408727)
Paging Piazza, Mr. Mike Piazza to the white courtesy phone.

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