“It’s a very different ‘JP’ than I was eight years ago”... He’s right! 2005 - OPS+84 ~ 2012 - OPS+95. Go JP Go!
In 2008, a year after signing a five-year, $44 million contract with the Los Angeles Dodgers, Pierre saw his playing time reduced for the first time in his career. The Dodgers wanted to give more time to up-and-coming stars Matt Kemp and Andre Ethier.
“I didn’t handle it well at all,’’ Pierre said. But he said his outlook changed in 2009 in part because of his religious faith. That continues to affect his attitude.
“I signed a minor-league deal last year. If that was six years ago I would have said I was done playing. I wouldn’t even have done that just because of my pride,’’ he said. ‘Now, all of that is set aside. I can go back and have fun.’’
...Pierre plans to live during spring training at his house in the Broward County city of Parkland, so that means he will to set his alarm for 5 a.m. at the latest.
“I think we are going to surprise a few people,’’ he said. “I know the media, we’ll surprise you all, too, a little bit. When we pull from the same cord, some special things can happen.’’
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1. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 15, 2013 at 07:25 PM (#4347869)Not quite. There were about 50. I brought 7.
I don't think I've ever seen anyone in baseball say a bad word about Juan, which is probably one reason he never hurts for employment. His work ethic is legendary.
Is this a mash-up of "cut from the same cloth" and "pull the same rope"?
i wish i had a nickel for every time i had an argument about pierre's worth with people here in L.A. ...
i once did a comparison of pierre's and manny's stats for somebody, even using the basic stuff, and they couldn't believe the difference.
but didn't pierre actually do well during manny's suspension? it was some sort of fluke iirc. he reverted.
Rk Player OPS+ WAR/pos G From To PA1 Juan Pierre 85 15.3 1881 2000 2012 7950
2 Doc Cramer 87 4.2 2238 1929 1948 9927
3 Shano Collins 90 7.2 1800 1910 1925 7042
4 Marquis Grissom 92 26.7 2165 1989 2005 8959
5 Dave Philley 92 4.8 1904 1941 1962 7004
6 Willie Wilson 94 43.5 2154 1976 1994 8317
7 Dave Martinez 95 16.5 1919 1986 2001 6480
8 Paul Blair 96 34.3 1947 1964 1980 6673
9 Mark Kotsay 97 20.6 1810 1997 2012 6939
10 Patsy Donovan 97 15.0 1824 1890 1907 8172
The King of Pop - close enough?
IM PLAYING SPIES! Thanks; actually managed to find the one I was thinking of: There There, Juan Pierre.
He wasn't. The historically bad hitters don't get to play 1800 games.
When we pull from the same cord
We all get messy hands.
Seconded. Maybe it's because I had a bunch of his rookie cards in high school, but I seem to remember Grissom as not living up to his initial hype but a good player nonetheless.
I'm sure that subliminally, he was thinking of a rip cord.
In fairness Grissom wasn't a bad player. Making a cutoff 1800 games almost guarantees you are going to eliminate bad players. It's an oversimplification but if you play that many big league games you aren't a complete disaster (though Francoeur is making a run).
So I guess the question is what the list for the various positions looks like if you draw the line at 950 (to get Bergen in) or 1150 (to get Lanier in). Don't currently have access too BB-Ref or I'd do it myself.
Bill Bergen is to bad hitting what Babe Ruth is to good hitting. His stats are simply unbelievable.
Career 170/194/201 line, "good" for a 21 OPS+.
True but ...
Pierre is now to the point where about 1/3 of his innings/PA are in LF. He was not historically bad for CF but he's got to be pushing it now. For players with at least 400 games in LF or RF (Pierre is over 500), he is tied for the 22nd lowest (or 28th lowest if you want to look at it that way) out of 661. However it is higher than Endy Chavez, Vince Coleman, Orlando Palmeiro, Henry Cotto to name some big names.
He's been primarily LF starting at 30. Among players to play at least 400 games in LF or RF from age 30 onwward, he has the 4th (6th) worst OPS+ out of 262. Gerald Williams, Palmeiro and Joe Orsulak were worse. He has 2 WAR in that time which, even adjusting for PA, is a lot better than some other guys.
So he is kinda historically awful for a guy allowed to play a corner OF spot in his 30s. As a young CF, he was cromulent.
That's also a big difference between him and Grissom -- Grissom played CF pretty much his entire career ... although not very well according to Rfield.
Grissom, by WAR, may have had the worst season of all-time in his last season. -2.3 WAR. No, that's not amazing in itself but it was just 147 PA. He was on a -10 WAR pace!
Pretty high expectations.
Yeah, I still think the only reason he ever got to play in MLB was his cool name.
In 459 career PA, -5.7 WAR
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