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Wednesday, January 13, 2010
Maury Wills belongs in the KappelHOF…and that’s about it!
Though generally considered a Hall of Fame-caliber performer while active, [Maury Wills] can be seen in retrospect to be only a middling offensive player.
—Eric Enders, Dodger Thoughts, September 21, 2009
There is perhaps no 60s-era Dodger who more represents the divide between the old and new schools of baseball analysis than Maury Wills. It’s almost as if his case were designed to pick a fight. He is a speed player—credited, probably incorrectly, with bringing speed back to the game—when we know now that speed is not as important as other aspects of offense. He received an MVP award—one that is mocked today, sometimes called one of the poorest choices in MVP history. Though there are those who still lobby his Hall of Fame case, he has been judged for that by the people most likely to appreciate his skill and found wanting. He has also been dismissed as a “no-threader” (as in “we need no thread to discuss him”) by the Hall of Merit. There is no groundswell effort for a new look at Wills’ career. For fans born too late or too far away to have witnessed his game firsthand—and I’m one of them—it can be tough to have an appreciation for Wills and what he means.
But this is not the Hall of Fame; this is the Vin Scully Lords of the Ravine, and I believe Maury Wills has a good case to be considered one of the most legendary of Los Angeles Dodgers. He holds a unique place in Dodger history.
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1. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 13, 2010 at 02:14 PM (#3436372)He sounded like a real prickly pear. Randall Simon was one of the stars for Fargo-Moorehead
There's something to hang your hat on!
absolutely--and my boy Rocky holds a unique place in Indians history
and Marv Throneberry in Mets history
ain't none of them Hall-worthy, though (either Hall)
only because Ray Knight didn't manage long enough to be in contention
Hey, Maury proved that you don't need a lot of games to demonstrate managerial incompetence. He's in the discussion with only 83 games on his resume - that is one hell of an anti-peak.
And by the way when Maury was playing, yes some viewed him as a Hall of Famer, even me.
"When (Maury) Wills got fired (Seattle Mariners), Steve Rudman came up with a long list Wills's gaffes."
- Wills once made out a lineup card that listed two third basemen, but no center fielder.
- Wills once held up a game for ten minutes while he searched for a pinch hitter
- Wills once motioned to the bullpen for a relief pitcher, which would have been fine except he hadn't bothered telling anybody in the bullpen to warm up
- Wills once told a writer he was going to bring outfielder Steve Stroughter to spring training as a non-roster player, which would have been fine, except Stroughter had been traded two weeks earlier
- In the sixth inning of a spring-training game, Wills left the field without telling anybody and hopped a plane for California
(he was suspended for 2 games I think, for that)
also, I'm pretty sure that he penciled in someone in his starting lineup who had been traded the previous month
Right. Whatever you think of his overall value as a player, Wills certainly deserved a thread based on his place in baseball history (which is why I posted it).
Aren't they usually sitting right there on the bench next to the manager?!?
And Wills was legitimately famous in his era and he did have an impact on changing the way the game was being played immediately prior to his time.
As HoF cases go, it's better than Jim Rice's. :-)
he's been there, done <strike>her</strike> that
He was the star in probably my most memorable day at the ballpark, a late May (Memorial Day?) twin bill in 1962, as the Dodgers made their first return to NY. In about 1,600 previous PA, Wills had hit exactly one hr. Thus it was noteworthy when, in the opener, he lined a gapper into the Polo grounds' cavernous right center alley and easily legged it all the way. The real eye-opener came a few innings later when, switching to righty against a LHP, he popped one into the upper deck in left. Next day one writer commented, noting that Mantle had hit switch hr nine times, "but he's a big strong guy so you expect it."
Then the Mets pulled a TP in the 2nd game, though (unsurprisingly) they lost both.
May 30, 1962:
Game 1.
Game 2.
Willie Davis hit into the triple play, with Wills on second and Gilliam on first - it was a line-drive on which SS Elio Chacon made an outstanding catch.
-- MWE
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