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Wednesday, January 13, 2010

Kavula: Print the Legend: The Case for Maury Wills

Maury Wills belongs in the KappelHOF…and that’s about it!

Though generally considered a Hall of Fame-caliber performer while active, [Maury Wills] can be seen in retrospect to be only a middling offensive player.

  —Eric Enders, Dodger Thoughts, September 21, 2009

There is perhaps no 60s-era Dodger who more represents the divide between the old and new schools of baseball analysis than Maury Wills.  It’s almost as if his case were designed to pick a fight.  He is a speed player—credited, probably incorrectly, with bringing speed back to the game—when we know now that speed is not as important as other aspects of offense.  He received an MVP award—one that is mocked today, sometimes called one of the poorest choices in MVP history.  Though there are those who still lobby his Hall of Fame case, he has been judged for that by the people most likely to appreciate his skill and found wanting.  He has also been dismissed as a “no-threader” (as in “we need no thread to discuss him”) by the Hall of Merit.  There is no groundswell effort for a new look at Wills’ career. For fans born too late or too far away to have witnessed his game firsthand—and I’m one of them—it can be tough to have an appreciation for Wills and what he means.

But this is not the Hall of Fame; this is the Vin Scully Lords of the Ravine, and I believe Maury Wills has a good case to be considered one of the most legendary of Los Angeles Dodgers.  He holds a unique place in Dodger history.

Repoz Posted: January 13, 2010 at 01:40 PM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: January 13, 2010 at 02:14 PM (#3436372)
This is the West.
   2. Greg (U)K Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:14 PM (#3436442)
I was in southern Saskatchewan this June and heard Maury Wills (I think it was him) announcing a game on the radio between the Fargo-Moorehead Redhawks and the...Winnipeg team maybe?

He sounded like a real prickly pear. Randall Simon was one of the stars for Fargo-Moorehead
   3. RJ in TO Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:17 PM (#3436447)
Isn't Maury Wills also a strong contender for the title of Worst Manager Ever?
   4. Greg (U)K Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:22 PM (#3436454)
Isn't Maury Wills also a strong contender for the title of Worst Manager Ever?

There's something to hang your hat on!
   5. OCF Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:26 PM (#3436459)
To set the Hall of Merit record straight: there were a couple of posts that called Wills a "no-threader", but those occurred on Wills's own thread. And that thread generated more than 70 posts, although some of those posts were about Frank Howard rather than Wills. So don't take "no-threader" too literally - he had a thread. But not any votes.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:37 PM (#3436476)
and I believe Maury Wills has a good case to be considered one of the most legendary of Los Angeles Dodgers. He holds a unique place in Dodger history.

absolutely--and my boy Rocky holds a unique place in Indians history

and Marv Throneberry in Mets history


ain't none of them Hall-worthy, though (either Hall)
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:38 PM (#3436481)
Isn't Maury Wills also a strong contender for the title of Worst Manager Ever?

only because Ray Knight didn't manage long enough to be in contention
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:44 PM (#3436488)
only because Ray Knight didn't manage long enough to be in contention


Hey, Maury proved that you don't need a lot of games to demonstrate managerial incompetence. He's in the discussion with only 83 games on his resume - that is one hell of an anti-peak.
   9. flournoy Posted: January 13, 2010 at 04:57 PM (#3436496)
Somebody please elaborate on Wills' managerial tenure.
   10. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: January 13, 2010 at 05:02 PM (#3436501)
OMG, please do - it's hilarious.
   11. Repoz Posted: January 13, 2010 at 05:07 PM (#3436505)
What Maury Wills knew about managing...could be fit into the glove compartment of a stolen car.
   12. Hack Wilson Posted: January 13, 2010 at 05:13 PM (#3436513)
Joey Amalfitano was the worst manager I ever saw. He only had one sign, the bunt. No outs, one out, I think even two outs was not a problem. Compounding the stupid strategy was that no one on the Cubs knew how to bunt.

And by the way when Maury was playing, yes some viewed him as a Hall of Famer, even me.
   13. esseff Posted: January 13, 2010 at 05:28 PM (#3436523)
Not a Hall of Famer, but the buzz Wills created in the summer of '62 was amazing.
   14. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: January 13, 2010 at 05:43 PM (#3436543)
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   15. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: January 13, 2010 at 05:43 PM (#3436546)
From Rob Neyer's "Big Book of Baseball Blunders":

"When (Maury) Wills got fired (Seattle Mariners), Steve Rudman came up with a long list Wills's gaffes."

- Wills once made out a lineup card that listed two third basemen, but no center fielder.

- Wills once held up a game for ten minutes while he searched for a pinch hitter

- Wills once motioned to the bullpen for a relief pitcher, which would have been fine except he hadn't bothered telling anybody in the bullpen to warm up

- Wills once told a writer he was going to bring outfielder Steve Stroughter to spring training as a non-roster player, which would have been fine, except Stroughter had been traded two weeks earlier

- In the sixth inning of a spring-training game, Wills left the field without telling anybody and hopped a plane for California
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2010 at 06:44 PM (#3436645)
he also decided that he was going to counter the A's complaints about his batters standing out of the batters box, by instructing the groundskeepers to enlarge the box --AND THEN HE ANNOUNCED THAT TO THE PRESS(!!!)

(he was suspended for 2 games I think, for that)

also, I'm pretty sure that he penciled in someone in his starting lineup who had been traded the previous month
   17. John (You Can Call Me Grandma) Murphy Posted: January 13, 2010 at 07:14 PM (#3436699)
To set the Hall of Merit record straight: there were a couple of posts that called Wills a "no-threader", but those occurred on Wills's own thread. And that thread generated more than 70 posts, although some of those posts were about Frank Howard rather than Wills. So don't take "no-threader" too literally - he had a thread. But not any votes.


Right. Whatever you think of his overall value as a player, Wills certainly deserved a thread based on his place in baseball history (which is why I posted it).
   18. Jeff R., P***y Mainlander Posted: January 13, 2010 at 07:52 PM (#3436761)
- Wills once held up a game for ten minutes while he searched for a pinch hitter


Aren't they usually sitting right there on the bench next to the manager?!?
   19. Walt Davis Posted: January 13, 2010 at 08:40 PM (#3436832)
Wills in the Dodger HoF (or the Vin Scully Foyer of Fanboy Favorites or whatever) is fine of course.

And Wills was legitimately famous in his era and he did have an impact on changing the way the game was being played immediately prior to his time.

As HoF cases go, it's better than Jim Rice's. :-)
   20. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2010 at 09:04 PM (#3436861)
Maury Wills belongs in the KappelHOF


he's been there, done <strike>her</strike> that
   21. SandyRiver Posted: January 13, 2010 at 09:16 PM (#3436877)
Not a Hall of Famer, but the buzz Wills created in the summer of '62 was amazing.

He was the star in probably my most memorable day at the ballpark, a late May (Memorial Day?) twin bill in 1962, as the Dodgers made their first return to NY. In about 1,600 previous PA, Wills had hit exactly one hr. Thus it was noteworthy when, in the opener, he lined a gapper into the Polo grounds' cavernous right center alley and easily legged it all the way. The real eye-opener came a few innings later when, switching to righty against a LHP, he popped one into the upper deck in left. Next day one writer commented, noting that Mantle had hit switch hr nine times, "but he's a big strong guy so you expect it."

Then the Mets pulled a TP in the 2nd game, though (unsurprisingly) they lost both.
   22. Mike Emeigh Posted: January 14, 2010 at 08:16 PM (#3437697)
He was the star in probably my most memorable day at the ballpark, a late May (Memorial Day?) twin bill in 1962, as the Dodgers made their first return to NY.


May 30, 1962:

Game 1.
Game 2.

Willie Davis hit into the triple play, with Wills on second and Gilliam on first - it was a line-drive on which SS Elio Chacon made an outstanding catch.

-- MWE

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