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KC Royals’ Danny Duffy talks bullying, anxiety, depression | The Kansas City Star

Three weeks into his first Royals spring training camp, Danny Duffy spent an early morning shagging fly balls, carrying equipment to the bullpen and fulfilling other rookie obligations.

Anything to get out of the clubhouse.

A group of veterans on the team’s pitching staff had been treating his locker as a garbage can, wrapping food in aluminum foil and stuffing it into his bag. With daily stunts stretching beyond typical rookie hazing, the group of five targeted Duffy, a fast-rising pitching prospect on the verge of taking their jobs. They told him to shut up when he spoke. They called him stuck-up when he ignored them.

Jim Furtado Posted: September 20, 2019 at 01:52 PM | 53 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5881227)
This is pathetic behavior from adults. Duffy should have punched one of them in the face. With his non-pitching hand, of course.
   2. Howie Menckel Posted: September 20, 2019 at 02:07 PM (#5881228)
whew. that is definitely worth a read.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: September 20, 2019 at 02:24 PM (#5881238)
My guess is Kyle Farnsworth for the ringleader.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5881239)
My guess is Kyle Farnsworth for the ringleader.
You're saying that because he was the oldest pitcher on the Royals that year, right?

Major kudos to Duffy for opening up about this, and I hope that (a) hearing his story does help others who are having similar struggles, and (b) at least some of those people are able to get in touch with Duffy to let him know he helped them.
   5. pikepredator Posted: September 20, 2019 at 02:35 PM (#5881241)
That's bravery. It's sad that so much of our culture positions it as being the opposite. My son is a sensitive kid and he struggles mightily in high school. He's smart, sensitive, an incredible musician, and incapable of being mean (even though he's 6'1, 190). I had a similar childhood and I still struggle to figure out the right way to support him, sometimes. He switched schools to a digital-media/music/art focused school and is doing much better, finally finding his people. It likely would've been even harder for him were he involved in athletics, more suppression of feeling and self-loathing. At least he can let out his pain at home and through his music.

Good for Duffy for getting the help he needs, and being brave enough to speak out and let others know they're not alone. There are kids who will be encouraged and inspired by reading that.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2019 at 02:42 PM (#5881242)
I'm pretty sure that if you were cool in high school, you probably don't end up hanging around here, amirite? Do we have any former homecoming kings?
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2019 at 03:05 PM (#5881250)
I'm pretty sure that if you were cool in high school, you probably don't end up hanging around here, amirite? Do we have any former homecoming kings?

Well, generally being good at math precludes being cool in high school, and is a pretty big prerequisite for understanding sabermetrics, so I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say zero homecoming kings, or starting QBs from HS.
   8. Itchy Row Posted: September 20, 2019 at 03:18 PM (#5881258)
Shows what you know. I spent every Friday night in high school playing quarterback on Madden.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 20, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5881260)
Friday Night Basement Lights.
   10. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 20, 2019 at 03:42 PM (#5881273)
This is great and I knew some of this, but not to this extent. Letting a clubhouse be run like that is malpractice (thanks, Trey Hillman). Say what you will about Ned Yost, but if he doesn't get the job with the Royals, Duffy probably turns out quite differently, if he's even still in baseball. Yost and Duffy are pretty close from what I have heard and kudos should probably be given to Dayton Moore as well for how he handled Duffy's departure.

Really cool story - one of my friends is a photographer for the Omaha Storm Chasers. Duffy was rehabbing there and there was a pregame ceremony where kids would run out to positions on the field for the national anthem. Only one kid wouldn't run out - he was overwhelmed by the crowd. Duffy bent down to the kid's level and calmy and quietly reassured him. The kid ran out onto the field. She asked Duffy about it and he said "that kid was me once."

Anyway, I hope Duffman finds his happiness, he really deserves it. Terrific dude who does a lot for the community.
   11. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 20, 2019 at 03:50 PM (#5881276)
Here in Durham we have the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics, which is sort of a statewide magnet high school. They don't have a football team, but the homecoming king is probably pretty good at math.
   12. Zach Posted: September 20, 2019 at 08:20 PM (#5881396)
My guess is Kyle Farnsworth for the ringleader.

Farnsworth was too prominent -- Duffy says the guys weren't very significant.

   13. CFBF's Overflowing Pathos Posted: September 20, 2019 at 09:15 PM (#5881408)
Farnsworth was too prominent -- Duffy says the guys weren't very significant.


Might be hard to narrow it down - the Royals had a lot of insignificant pitchers in those days.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: September 20, 2019 at 09:22 PM (#5881411)
Duffy must've been a superlative athlete in high school - in my observation, athletic skill buys one a TON of social credit. He must've been hideously awkward to attract hazing and mockery even as (presumably) the best player on his varsity baseball team.
   15. Darren Posted: September 20, 2019 at 09:50 PM (#5881426)
This is pathetic behavior from adults. Duffy should have punched one of them in the face.


I see what you did there. Do you see what you did there?
   16. Darren Posted: September 20, 2019 at 09:52 PM (#5881427)
Dayton Moore comes off very well here. Sounds like he handled this in a very nice way.
   17. Darren Posted: September 20, 2019 at 10:04 PM (#5881429)
As for who the bullies were, it's hard to square "Duffy refused to name the players who tormented him daily — a crew of five with one ringleader, is how he described it — but emphasized their lack of prominence with the Royals," with "a crew of veterans." Seems like veterans would have to be sort of prominent. I guess this would point to guys who were established and had a good reason to fear for their jobs. Guys who sort of fit that description on the 2010 Royals--not accusing anyone here but it's easy to look this up: Brian Bannister, Kyle Davies, Bruce Chen, Luke Hochevar, Kyle Farnsworth, Gil Meche. ???

   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 20, 2019 at 10:24 PM (#5881438)
I see what you did there. Do you see what you did there?

No. The correct response to a bully is to force him to back down. If a punch is required, that's fine by me.

This is schoolyard crap these guys are pulling, and the answer is the same as it was on the schoolyard.

   19. JJ1986 Posted: September 21, 2019 at 08:51 AM (#5881468)
Here in Durham we have the North Carolina School of Science and Mathematics, which is sort of a statewide magnet high school. They don't have a football team, but the homecoming king is probably pretty good at math.
This is my school. Pretty much no one there was particularly cool when I was a student.
   20. Ben Broussard Ramjet Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:17 AM (#5881470)
This is pathetic behavior from adults. Duffy should have punched one of them in the face.


Seems like having anxiety and depression are things that make that extremely hard. Like telling someone with depression 'you should cheer up'. That's . . . kind of part of the problem.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: September 21, 2019 at 09:24 AM (#5881474)
Likewise, Duffy was obviously giving off a heavy vibe that let the bullies know that he was bullyable.
   22. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 21, 2019 at 10:10 AM (#5881479)
It's not something I think about much, but in 11th grade (the final year in our decades-old high school building) my locker was in the basement, so away from adult eyes. For whatever reason, a black kid decided to take out his frustration with life (& he was rather high-strung in general, looking back) on me using his fists. Nothing serious per se; I think the blows were pretty much confined to my arms & shoulders, & I definitely never took any shots to the face.

I never fought back, probably in part because I spent a good deal of my adolescence emotionally numb as could be. Maybe there was a touch of Guilty White Liberal in my makeup, too. He was smaller than me, though I wasn't exactly Charles Atlas.

Sort of interesting, looking back, that friends of mine (also black, which i mention only to show that race wasn't a factor in this aspect) never raised a finger during these assaults, though I do seem to recall my best friend telling him at least once to lay off.

I get the impression that the pretense for this treatment was the kid's dislike of my mother, who was a substitute teacher. That was definitely the grounds cited when another kid (also black, with maybe the student body's best Afro), 3 or 4 years earlier in junior high, grabbed me by a headlock in study hall & did his best for a bit to grind the side of my skull into the surface of the table where I was sitting.

Too, the fact that by 11th grade (the following didn't apply at the time of the study hall incident) I'd become a stereotypical geekish kid, thin & bespectacled (as of the previous year) & immersed in sf & horror & comics & really good in class & editing the school paper, etc., probably didn't help a hell of a lot.

Not a big deal, but for some reason I've never before written about or otherwise discussed any of this anywhere, even though that all happened close to 4.5 decades ago. It wasn't traumatic by any means (though in retrospect experiencing dread whenever I headed to my locker -- as opposed, I suppose, to the pervasive dread I experienced merely by dint of existing at age 16 in the life situation I found myself in -- wasn't the best feeling imaginable), just ... different. And I guess interesting.

Anyway, more power to you, Danny Duffy. As if being called "Danny" (I hate that diminutive when applied to myself, though one of my best friends back in Little Rock goes by it; for years, that's how my dad's family referred to me) wasn't bad enough ...
   23. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 10:20 AM (#5881480)
I'm pretty sure that if you were cool in high school, you probably don't end up hanging around here, amirite? Do we have any former homecoming kings?

well, I proudly earned a varsity letter in high school.

ok, it was golf (those red polo shirts we all wore on 'game days' was quite the catnip for the ladies!).

I didn't have the stones to show up at the school varsity dinner, out of respect for the actual athletes.

never got hazed, though - figured out early how to blend in/stay below the radar. not all were so fortunate.
   24. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 21, 2019 at 10:34 AM (#5881483)
I was a would-be athlete through the early part of 8th grade. Any such aspirations ended when I got cut (very justifiably) during tryouts for the basketball team. (We didn't have a baseball team till my senior year, & my eligibility for the local version of little league had ended a few weeks before the basketball failure.)

A few weeks after that, 2 days after Thanksgiving, the great-aunt who came closest to raising me died, & my mother plunged headlong into hopelessness & helplessness, & unfortunately my path to outsider status was pretty much set.
   25. Darren Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5881498)
In my high school, and I assume many others are the same, being a varsity baseball player meant nothing. Football, soccer, track--wear your letterman's jacket with pride. Baseball--people will laugh at you.

   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:32 AM (#5881500)
In my high school, and I assume many others are the same, being a varsity baseball player meant nothing. Football, soccer, track--wear your letterman's jacket with pride. Baseball--people will laugh at you.


Our football team was very, very good. Everything else pretty much sucked. So, Football was really the only sport that rated.
   27. Darren Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5881502)
Our football team was always terrible but it was still somehow way cooler to be on the football team.
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5881503)
In my high school, and I assume many others are the same, being a varsity baseball player meant nothing. Football, soccer, track--wear your letterman's jacket with pride. Baseball--people will laugh at you.


Baseball wasn't necessarily cool at my HS, but it sure didn't take a backseat to track.

I played varsity basketball and baseball. I wouldn't describe myself as cool, but I wasn't an outcast either.

   29. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5881510)
we didn't have a football team.
I don't remember if we had baseball team - which hints at its status, I guess.
boys basketball and soccer were the 'cool' sports.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 21, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5881511)
we didn't have a football team.

This was Tappan, Howie? My HS had <500 students and we had a football team.
   31. Perry Posted: September 21, 2019 at 12:09 PM (#5881516)
Football was the big deal in my high school and we were 8th in the state of Ohio my senior year, so of course they got lots of respect. Basketball was the opposite, like 2-17 or something. Baseball.... we had a team, but I don't really remember anything about them.

I ran track and cross-country -- we were something of a power (won our 10th consecutive district title my senior year), although not on the level of the football team, so we were fairly well respected. I was Just a Guy on the team, although I lettered in both sports. So I had a foot in the jock camp and the academic camp, and never got any stick for any of it. Honestly if there was any kind of bullying going on, I was unaware of it. The football players I knew, including one who ended up playing 10+ years in the NFL, were all pretty nice guys.
   32. Lassus Posted: September 21, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5881517)
Baseball was still pretty big in my high school in the late 80s, central NY. Not football-level, but a very close 2nd.

Like Howie, I lettered, in.... Golf and soccer. And it was the only two years my high school ever HAD soccer. We were awful enough that I was MVP (I had played AYSO for awhile prior).

I mean, I got bullied as a kid forever, but... it's a little different for brainy nerds, I think. There were kids who were bullied who didn't have the retreat that a reader and performer did. I honestly think it's more the depression than the bullying that's notable here, but that is a completely objective thought.
   33. Howie Menckel Posted: September 21, 2019 at 12:16 PM (#5881519)
My HS had <500 students and we had a football team.

school had about 800 students - it was a Catholic school.
they had a bizarre fascination with academics over athletics at the time.
   34. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 21, 2019 at 12:17 PM (#5881520)
When I was growing up we were a lower-division football & basketball powerhouse of sorts, & the relatively high quality of teams playing the latter sport pretty much continued through my school years. By the time my classmates made it to the football team, though, our record was atrocious.

When football started in 7th grade, my mother wouldn't let me play. At the time I was a pretty beefy kid & probably would've been slotted into the line. Thank you, mom (said very nonsarcastically).
   35. Lassus Posted: September 21, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5881523)
My HS had <500 students and we had a football team.

school had about 800 students - it was a Catholic school.


We had 400 students 7-12, and football was big. I feel everything has since shrunken, and the football team has had to join with another nearby nowhere/nothing school.
   36. My name is RMc and I feel extremely affected Posted: September 21, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5881589)
There are schools in upstate NY with <100 kids, and they have football teams (although many have switched to 8-man ball). About 20 years ago, there was a nearby school that had about 42 kids and finished with a 7-2 record. (Obviously at this level, some of the best athletes in the school had to be girls, right?)
   37. Fancy Crazy Town Banana Pants Handle Posted: September 21, 2019 at 06:26 PM (#5881711)
Seems like having anxiety and depression are things that make that extremely hard. Like telling someone with depression 'you should cheer up'. That's . . . kind of part of the problem.

Or as Ray would put it: Stop being selfish. You have a responsibility towards your family and friends to not be depressed.
   38. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 21, 2019 at 07:07 PM (#5881732)
Just take a walk! It's a guaranteed cure-all!
   39. JAHV Posted: September 22, 2019 at 02:41 AM (#5881807)
Anyway, more power to you, Danny Duffy. As if being called "Danny" (I hate that diminutive when applied to myself, though one of my best friends back in Little Rock goes by it; for years, that's how my dad's family referred to me) wasn't bad enough ...


I assume you're a Daniel as well? I tended (and still tend) to be fairly meek and submissive in most matters, and in grade school was lightly bullied, but one thing I never relented on was being called "Danny." You can call me Daniel or Dan but never Danny. I just could never identify with that name. I know several Dannys now who are great people, but it's not me. The only time it was ever a problem was with a music teacher in middle school who insisted on calling me Danny despite my continuous requests not to, which seemed to be some weird authority/control thing. My mother eventually met with him and the principal to get him to stop. I guess even in the meeting he resisted the request, but eventually relented.

I always thought that in order to be a Danny, you were either inviting ridicule as a little kid (the diminutive), or you had to be a tough guy and transcend the diminutive. I didn't want to be the former and certainly couldn't pull off the latter.
   40. Howie Menckel Posted: September 22, 2019 at 10:43 AM (#5881834)
only 6 of the 83 MLB "Danny" players all-time have played in the majors this year.

The All-Stars are Salazar, Tartabull, Jackson, Graves, Kolb, and Litwhiler.

not a tremendous showing, frankly. you guys might be on to something
   41. PreservedFish Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:09 AM (#5881838)
How do they compare to the Daniels though?
   42. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:20 AM (#5881841)
Daniel is a star in the face of the sky.
   43. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:28 AM (#5881843)
I assume you're a Daniel as well? I tended (and still tend) to be fairly meek and submissive in most matters, and in grade school was lightly bullied, but one thing I never relented on was being called "Danny." You can call me Daniel or Dan but never Danny. I just could never identify with that name. I know several Dannys now who are great people, but it's not me. The only time it was ever a problem was with a music teacher in middle school who insisted on calling me Danny despite my continuous requests not to, which seemed to be some weird authority/control thing. My mother eventually met with him and the principal to get him to stop. I guess even in the meeting he resisted the request, but eventually relented.

I always thought that in order to be a Danny, you were either inviting ridicule as a little kid (the diminutive), or you had to be a tough guy and transcend the diminutive. I didn't want to be the former and certainly couldn't pull off the latter.


This. All of this, to the letter. Except (luckily) for the part about the music teacher.

Growing up in the South, as often as not I was Daniel Paul; otherwise, I was Daniel. The second I left for college, I became Dan. Only exception (other than my mother, of course) was the dean of Liberal Arts, who became a good friend & who called me Danny Paul, which was OK because he did so ironically, being a Dan himself who similarly had resisted the other diminutive as a kid.

The very old-school assistant city editor at the Little Rock paper tended to call me Danny Boy, but I grinned & bore it. Until this very moment I assumed he was sort of drawing on his Irish roots, but Google says "Sallee" actually indicates French descent. Damn his memory!


   44. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 22, 2019 at 06:43 PM (#5881975)
I assume you're a Daniel as well? I tended (and still tend) to be fairly meek and submissive in most matters, and in grade school was lightly bullied, but one thing I never relented on was being called "Danny." You can call me Daniel or Dan but never Danny. I just could never identify with that name. I know several Dannys now who are great people, but it's not me. The only time it was ever a problem was with a music teacher in middle school who insisted on calling me Danny despite my continuous requests not to, which seemed to be some weird authority/control thing. My mother eventually met with him and the principal to get him to stop. I guess even in the meeting he resisted the request, but eventually relented.

I always thought that in order to be a Danny, you were either inviting ridicule as a little kid (the diminutive), or you had to be a tough guy and transcend the diminutive. I didn't want to be the former and certainly couldn't pull off the latter.


I always hated Artie (Arthur is preferred, Art is fine), but I've never make an issue of it. I have a friend or two who can't seem to stop calling me Artie.
   45. Howie Menckel Posted: September 22, 2019 at 06:49 PM (#5881976)
Daniel All-Stars:

Murphy, Vogelbach..... surprised Robertson has not been an All-Star.

lotta double counting, though. and Votto's middle name is Daniel, fwiw
   46. Omineca Greg Posted: September 22, 2019 at 06:53 PM (#5881978)
Daniel is a star in the face of the sky.

Well, sure, but with Danny, you see a family where there once was none.
   47. SoSH U at work Posted: September 22, 2019 at 09:17 PM (#5882010)
I was a Danny when I was a kid. It never bothered me.

   48. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 22, 2019 at 10:09 PM (#5882025)
I am not particularly pleased that Elton John had a song called The Ballad of Danny Bailey, since if I went by Danny that would be my name. Didn't know about it till age 25 or so, though, more than a decade after Goodbye Yellow Brick Road came out. (A co-worker at my first newspaper in the town where I graduated from college mentioned it to me.)
   49. Darren Posted: September 22, 2019 at 11:59 PM (#5882045)
I hated being called Danny.
   50. Hysterical & Useless Posted: September 23, 2019 at 07:29 AM (#5882089)
At my high school, football and basketball were the only sports that mattered to the student body at large. Our football team had been quite successful for a number of years, but the coach (who was also the school vice principal and a physics teacher) retired from coaching after my freshman year. The team's fortunes declined over the next few years. The coach had been expecting that his son, who was in my class, and with whom I'd played sandlot all through elementary school and jr high, would be playing for the varsity.

At this date, I don't recall if the son continued playing. Last I knew (mid-70s) he was writing for the local newspaper.

Those of you who've met me will find it difficult to believe I know (cough cough) but I was tiny as a kid; 4'10" and about 90 pounds in 9th grade. Didn't grow much until sophomore-junior year, finally hitting my full adult height (5'7"! Like a skyscraper!) in time for senior year. Played 2 years of JV soccer (9th & 10th grade), the first 2 years we'd had a soccer team. I was a terrible player on a very bad team, though I did score the winning goal in our only victory for those 2 years (scored because I was out of position).

snapper, I've never thought of you as anything other than Arthur. Dignified name.

Believe it or not, forcing yourself to smile is actually an at least somewhat effective treatment for transient unhappiness. Something to do with the chemical changes induced by using the required muscles. Takes more than a few seconds to work, but it can help. NOT a cure/treatment for severe depression, however.
   51. SoSH U at work Posted: September 23, 2019 at 09:47 AM (#5882123)

I hated being called Danny.



I would too if my name was Darren.
   52. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5882132)
I hate being called Cholmondeley.

Also: Don't call me Ishmael.
   53. Ishmael Posted: September 23, 2019 at 10:49 AM (#5882148)
But I get so lonely.

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