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Friday, December 06, 2013

Keidel: Robinson Cano Will Be Sleepless In Seattle

From Ross Malinger to Robinson Malinger.

Jay-Z prides himself on being a hustler – a universal street handle for someone who does what he must to make money. Even people in prison have a hustle, from selling soda to cigarettes to hooch.

So it should surprise no one that his new agency arm bilked the Seattle Mariners for $240 million in the name of his new and most glittering client, Robinson Cano.

But in the process, did he also hustle Cano? Cano just tacked 3,000 miles onto his commute to the Dominican Republic. He left the only baseball town he’s ever known. Seattle has a dearth of Hispanics. The Mariners have no history of success. (They’ve never even played in a World Series.) They are known for coffee and cold rain and bad baseball.

Sure, the Yankees are a diminished baseball club without Cano’s transcendent talent. But it doesn’t take a jeweler’s eye to see that he’s not worth an Albert Pujols contract, particularly since Pujols wasn’t worth it.

...Is it better to be rich in New York City or really rich in Seattle. Most of us would choose the former. For some reason, Cano has no fondness for nostalgia and friendship and first place.

Frankly, this says more about Robinson Cano than the New York Yankees. Say what you want — and much indeed has been said – about the Bronx Bombers, but stingy isn’t a handle that sticks.

There are more endorsements in New York City. There are more fans in New York City. There is more offense in the Yankees’ lineup. Cano wouldn’t be the sole face of the franchise had he stayed. The Yankees have missed the playoffs just twice since 1994.

Everything points to the five boroughs except the fast cash. For someone with such sublime instincts on the field, Cano just showed supreme myopia off the diamond.

When a player says he’s about the money, he’s usually about the Yankees. Except Robinson Cano, who will find himself most sleepless in Seattle.

Repoz Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:35 PM | 258 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. JJ1986 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4612528)
Cano shouldn't care about money; he should care about endorsements!
   2. Millon deFloss Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:43 PM (#4612530)
With that kind of money, air travel is no big deal. Cano won't be flying steerage on Spirit.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:44 PM (#4612531)
"It's so crass that Cano chose money over New York! Why in New York, he could have made more money!"
   4. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:50 PM (#4612534)
If you could hold down and get the truth out of these long-term contract guys, do you think they regret signing when it goes bad? Manny was on waivers at least once, A-Rod accused the Yankees of stuff this year, and I've seen Crawford talk about how Boston wasn't a good fit for him. That having been said, I've never seen one say "I regret signing that contract".
   5. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:52 PM (#4612537)
Everything points to the five boroughs except the fast cash.


Also, a ten-year contract is kind of the opposite of "fast cash". Cano and the Mariners have made a ten-year commitment to each other. The average American marriage isn't that long. It's not like he canoodled with the Mariners one crazy night and then sent them a gift basket.
   6. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:53 PM (#4612538)
How much longer is it going to be before no one cares anymore how many Hispanics live in Seattle?
   7. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: December 06, 2013 at 05:56 PM (#4612543)
AND THE GRAPES ARE SO SOUR
   8. Publius Publicola Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:01 PM (#4612546)
...Is it better to be rich in New York City or really rich in Seattle. Most of us would choose the former. For some reason, Cano has no fondness for nostalgia and friendship and first place.

Frankly, this says more about Robinson Cano than the New York Yankees. Say what you want — and much indeed has been said – about the Bronx Bombers, but stingy isn’t a handle that sticks.


Ah, the famous Yankee kiss-off. He wasn't "good enough" for us. It's a "privilege" to play for the Yankees, and he wasn't worth it.
   9. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:01 PM (#4612547)
I'm really looking forward to the New York media doing more smearing of departed players than the Boston media this year!
   10. Gotham Dave Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4612548)
If you could hold down and get the truth out of these long-term contract guys, do you think they regret signing when it goes bad? Manny was on waivers at least once, A-Rod accused the Yankees of stuff this year, and I've seen Crawford talk about how Boston wasn't a good fit for him. That having been said, I've never seen one say "I regret signing that contract".
With the exception of A-Rod, who is neurotic and probably regrets most things he's done, I doubt any of them really do regret it. Contrary to popular belief, money CAN by happiness. Even, I presume, if it is the $30 million between $120 and $150 million.
   11. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:03 PM (#4612549)

How much longer is it going to be before no one cares anymore how many Hispanics live in Seattle?
Until people from foreign countries stop signing there?

Edit: I get that there's a tinge of unpleasant racism there, but as someone who's lived as an ex-pat in a couple places, there are real some quality of life issues when there's nobody else from where you're from.
   12. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:04 PM (#4612552)
Oh man, the schadenfreude is so delicious. Poor poor Yankees, unable to keep their home grown stars from being stolen away by richer teams.
   13. SteveM. Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:04 PM (#4612553)
I have been to both Seattle and New York. I have never figured out why people think New York is the center of the universe. Its overpriced, overcrowded and has both the Knicks and Jets. Why would anyone want to live there?
   14. Bitter Calculus Instructor Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:07 PM (#4612557)
[13] Nobody lives there anymore. It's too crowded.
   15. Publius Publicola Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4612562)
Why would anyone want to live there?


They have good pizza and its easy to feel superior to the average person.
   16. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4612563)
The smart columnists are the ones writing their 'Cano made a big mistake' columns now and banking them for when Safeco inevitabley takes the air out of his numbers. Pull the column out and run it when you are on vacation in the summer.
   17. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:13 PM (#4612564)
The only downside for Cano I can see is that he's going from one of the best hitters' parks to one of the worst. His consolation is that he won't have to worry about any more postseason slumps. Not that he was going to have to worry much about that in New York, either, but this way he's almost guaranteeing it. So that'll be an upside.

OTOH as a Seattle announcer said on the radio a couple of hours ago, if the Mariners don't get any protection around Cano in their lineup, Cano's going to see about two hittable pitches a week.
   18. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:14 PM (#4612565)
Why would anyone want to live there?


Lol.
   19. Fanshawe Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4612568)
Why would anyone want to live there?


They like different things than you do.
   20. Moe Greene Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:23 PM (#4612574)
Is it better to be rich in New York City or really rich in Seattle. Most of us would choose the former.

Hmm, New York columnist assumes most New Yorkers would rather live in New York than in Seattle.

I'm guessing this columnist assumes that most Seattleites would rather live in New York as well.
   21. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4612575)
but as someone who's lived as an ex-pat in a couple places, there are real some quality of life issues when there's nobody else from where you're from.


Find the local Irish pub in whatever place you're in. All the English speakers will be there.
   22. Fernigal McGunnigle has become a merry hat Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:26 PM (#4612578)
Cano is going to have to be in Seattle for about half of the days between April and October. The weather there is very nice for most of that time. If he spends more time there it will be because he likes it and wants to be there. He will be making $24 million a year. He can import his entire 2nd grade class to come and hang out with him if he wants. He will spend many hours of every day at the ballpark. He will not be the only Dominican at the ballpark.

If Cano wins a World Series in New York then he is just doing his job. If Cano wins a World Series in Seattle then they will name a street after him and forgive him when he's a 41-year-old first baseman hitting 240/290/330.

Seattle has orcas. New York does not have orcas.
   23. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:26 PM (#4612579)
when Safeco inevitabley takes the air out of his numbers.


Safeco takes the air out of everyone's numbers. You're still more likely to win in Safeco with better players than with worse players.
   24. Pat Rapper's Delight Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:27 PM (#4612581)
Is it better to be rich in New York City or really rich in Seattle. Most of us would choose the former.

If I am ever forced to set foot in NYC, it'll be too soon.

Perhaps it's Seattle's superior public school system that sealed the deal for the M's?


Oh man, the schadenfreude is so delicious. Poor poor Yankees, unable to keep their home grown stars from being stolen away by richer teams.

Have a Yankee fan friend on Facebook who posted a link to the story and a comment that he was "very disappointed that all he apparently saw were the dollar signs." I had to ask him to clarify if he was talking about Cano or Ellsbury.
   25. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4612585)
I live in Seattle, but I'm spending this weekend in New York. So I'll render a verdict on which is the better city on Monday.
   26. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:30 PM (#4612586)
41-year-old first baseman hitting 240/290/330.


At which point he'll be the Yankees' left fielder.
   27. spike Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4612588)
The caricaturing of Jay-Z as some kind of small-time drug dealer who is somehow gaming the system by engaging in and being successful at the kinds of huge deals normally the province of old white men is beyond awful.
   28. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:31 PM (#4612589)
I live in Seattle, but I'm spending this weekend in New York. So I'll render a verdict on which is the better city on Monday.


I'll be in Seattle for the first time around Christmastime. I will render a belated verdict.
   29. Moe Greene Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:35 PM (#4612591)
I'm guessing Cano decided on the M's because Felix sold him on Chace's Pancake Corral.
   30. cardsfanboy Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:35 PM (#4612593)
Is this article really as self important as the excerpts make it out to be? I mean given a choice and being a millionaire in a smaller city and being a millionaire in New York is a no brainer. You have to be stupid to want to live in New York out of choice.


And the funny part is comparing it to Seattle, isn't Seattle considered one of the nicer places to live in this country, even with the weather?
   31. tfbg9 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:36 PM (#4612594)
when Safeco inevitabley takes the air out of his numbers


Did you not kinda say that one of the reasons you thought Cano was better than Pedey was because, unlike Pedey, Cano is not reliant
on his ballpark to put up good numbers?
   32. Nasty Nate Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:42 PM (#4612600)
I mean given a choice and being a millionaire in a smaller city and being a millionaire in New York is a no brainer. You have to be stupid to want to live in New York out of choice.


Most people would say the opposite.
   33. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:43 PM (#4612602)
isn't Seattle considered one of the nicer places to live in this country, even with the weather?


EDIT: oops.


   34. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:44 PM (#4612604)
Most people would say the opposite.


I wouldn't.
   35. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:44 PM (#4612605)
For some reason, Cano has no fondness for nostalgia and friendship and first place.

Neither will next year's Yankees roster.

You also have to laugh that, as a result of the Yankees seriously overpaying for Ellsbury, they will now have to seriously overpay in order to get Choo.

King George is dead! Long live King George!
   36. geonose Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:47 PM (#4612608)
I'm guessing this columnist assumes that most Seattleites would rather live in New York as well.

I'm guessing this columnist is a New York supremacist who is astounded that anybody would want to live anywhere else.
   37. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:47 PM (#4612609)
DO NOT READ COMMENTS ON ARTICLE.
   38. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:48 PM (#4612611)
I wonder how much Seattle brass divulged to Cano of their other offseason plans? Is that something teams (especially desperate ones) normally do to woo free agents? Maybe knowing they would (hypothetically) try to trade for Price and get Choo helped his decision. That would help defend against the "he doesn't care about winning" argument.
   39. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:53 PM (#4612615)
OTOH as a Seattle announcer said on the radio a couple of hours ago, if the Mariners don't get any protection around Cano in their lineup, Cano's going to see about two hittable pitches a week.


I think that the 2013 experience probably got him used to that. Before Granderson returned, it was often Travis Half-Season, Vernon Wells, or some other uninspiring has-been or never-will-be proving this "protection" for him. It's hard to imagine Seattle putting worse guys in the 4-5-6 spots.
   40. cardsfanboy Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:55 PM (#4612617)
I wonder how much Seattle brass divulged to Cano of their other offseason plans? Is that something teams (especially desperate ones) normally do to woo free agents? Maybe knowing they would (hypothetically) try to trade for Price and get Choo helped his decision. That would help defend against the "he doesn't care about winning" argument.


I'm pretty sure I've often times have heard a player going to a new team that hasn't been successful recently, claim that the team gave him some information on their plans to make them feel better.

Of course I think one of those guys was Buehrle who went to Florida Marlins.....
   41. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:57 PM (#4612618)
two hittable pitches a week.


So... 650 walks? A second baseman who slashes UNDEFINED/1.000/.000 and plays above average defense is probably a 30-WAR per year player.
   42. TerpNats Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:58 PM (#4612620)
Another free-agent signing today: Nate McLouth is moving to the other end of the B-W Parkway, for two years and $10.75M.
   43. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:00 PM (#4612622)
Is it better to be rich in New York City or really rich in Seattle.

I am also pretty sure the author has never heard of Mayor-elect DeBlasio.
   44. Blastin Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:01 PM (#4612625)
All this random bashing of NY the city (rather than the team) is just weird, even from people who admit they have literally never been here.

It's times like these when my weak identification with the country overall but strong ties to my city make sense.
   45. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:03 PM (#4612626)
random bashing of NY the city


That I would rather live in Seattle than NYC is neither random nor bashing. It's just true.
   46. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:05 PM (#4612627)
If I am ever forced to set foot in NYC, it'll be too soon.


You're seriously missing out, then. I live in Boston, but NYC has a ton of great stuff that isn't available outside the city. Just for the theater and the museums alone it's worth a trip. A walk through Central Park in the spring or fall is great. The restaurants match up with any city in the world. Ignore the blowhard residents, they all ignore each other.

That I would rather live in Seattle than NYC is neither random nor bashing. It's just true.


I think NYC might be the greatest city in the world, but I'm happier living in Boston than I would be living in NYC. I appreciate the small town atmosphere. That said, NYC is great to visit, there's so much to see everywhere. With the exception of Staten Island.
   47. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4612629)
It's times like these when my weak identification with the country overall but strong ties to my city make sense.


See? New Yorkers admit they aren't Real Americans!
   48. asinwreck Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4612630)
Having spent time in both cities, it would be fantastic to be wealthy in either of them.

Both are also fun in the relative poverty of my tax bracket.
   49. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:07 PM (#4612631)
Is it better to be rich in New York City or really rich in Seattle. Most of us would choose the former.

Balderdash! New York (and every other city) would be a ghost town if its inhabitants had the opportunity to make $40M more by relocating. While Cano would still do pretty well if he had signed with the Yankees for the rumored $180-200M price, no one turns down $40M.

If Cano likes NYC, he can visit in the offseason & after his playing days are done.
   50. Bob Tufts Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4612634)
Of course the senior management of the Yankees would NEVER consider what they will get paid when they do any deal.
   51. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:10 PM (#4612635)
If Cano likes NYC, he can visit in the offseason & after his playing days are done.


Hell, he can live there in the offseason. And he can live in pretty much the same luxury he would have had living in NYC year round. He can easily afford a Central Park adjacent penthouse on his salary.

eta: Rather, he can easily afford a Central Park adjacent penthouse along with his Seattle manse on the difference between his NYY and Mariner earnings.
   52. Dale Sams Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:23 PM (#4612640)
There is more offense in the Yankees’ lineup


New York 2013 OPS+ 87
Seattle 2013 OPS+ 98

And that's including Cano in NY. Kyle Seager outWARed everyone on the Yanks except Cano and Gardner.

But take heart Yanks, you stole Ryan from them.
   53. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:27 PM (#4612642)
I'm an eternal optimist. By their actions this week, the Yankees are overloading their outfield and clearing out their infield. I think a big trade (probably involving Gardner) is neigh. And the return player will be one whose name has not come up in any of this week's Cano threads here.
   54. Döner Kebap Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:28 PM (#4612643)
Oooh, BTF city debates! My favorite.

I've spent a good bit of time in each of these cities. I like Seattle. I can see how someone would prefer it to New York. Not to knock NY, but the pacific Northwest is the most beautiful region of the continental US. Some people like nature. Some people don't like crazy hustle bustle. NYC has always felt like a place residents need to get away from now and then to stay sane. It's waaaaay easier to relax in your time off living in Seattle than in NYC, which is just a constant flurry of awesome. Didn't Cano have a problem with that back in the Melky days?
   55. Repoz Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:30 PM (#4612644)
The doofus that be Paul O'Neill tweets about Cano: "Oh Robby.... There's no place like New York and no team like the Yankees!"
   56. PreservedFish Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:32 PM (#4612646)
53 - was that an error or an ARod joke?
   57. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:35 PM (#4612648)
It's waaaaay easier to relax in your time off living in Seattle than in NYC, which is just a constant flurry of awesome.


This is entirely true. And the Pacific Northwest, the times I've been there, are really pretty. But the Adirondacks are not shabby at all. I don't think you can make a wrong choice, as opposed to picking between, say, New York and Houston or Seattle and Dallas.
   58. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:42 PM (#4612650)
The doofus that be Paul O'Neill tweets about Cano: "Oh Robby.... There's no place like New York and no team like the Yankees!"

Oh that's right, the Reds already filled their managerial vacancy.
   59. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:46 PM (#4612652)
This is entirely true. And the Pacific Northwest, the times I've been there, are really pretty. But the Adirondacks are not shabby at all. I don't think you can make a wrong choice, as opposed to picking between, say, New York and Houston or Seattle and Dallas.


There are probably 24 or 25 worse MLB cities than NY and SEA. Most of them are in the AL Central.
   60. TerpNats Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:54 PM (#4612660)
There are more endorsements in New York City.
Cano spent nine seasons in New York; just how many endorsements did he get?

And the Pacific Northwest, the times I've been there, are really pretty. But the Adirondacks are not shabby at all.
Something a future Montreal front office should keep in mind when pursuing free agents once MLB returns there...assuming customs can become less of a hassle.
   61. Lassus Posted: December 06, 2013 at 07:54 PM (#4612661)
This is entirely true. And the Pacific Northwest, the times I've been there, are really pretty. But the Adirondacks are not shabby at all.

The Adirondacks are not a short drive from the city. The Catskills are, though.
   62. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:03 PM (#4612665)
The Adirondacks are not a short drive from the city. The Catskills are, though.


He's got enough money for a private helicopter. And while the Catskills aren't bad, the Adirondacks are way nicer. Not as nice as where I've been in the Sierra Nevadas, but still nice.

But #59 is right, there are way worse cities to live in than either NYC or Seattle.
   63. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:06 PM (#4612667)
Minneapolis is much worse than either. I can't wait until I can leave this ########.
   64. Publius Publicola Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:09 PM (#4612669)
Not as nice as where I've been in the Sierra Nevadas, but still nice.


I think that depends on how you define "nice". The autumn foliage of the eastern deciduous forest crushes anything out west.
   65. JE (Jason Epstein) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:10 PM (#4612670)
The Catskills are to mountains what Pizza Hut is to … pizza.
   66. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:24 PM (#4612677)
Jason Keidel: How do you sleep at night?
Robinson Cano: On top of a pile of money with many beautiful ladies.
   67. madvillain Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:26 PM (#4612678)
But #59 is right, there are way worse cities to live in than either NYC or Seattle.


I'm rather uniquely qualified to comment having lived in NYC from 23-28 and now in Seattle from 28-31. NYC is a great town, the culture, food and people (the diversity in thought, background, etc) is unbeatable. It's also crowded, dirty and for most average people, rather isolating and ridiculously expensive.

Seattle is also a great town and although the people are a bit strange, the food isn't nearly as good (or as cheap) as NYC and the culture can't hold a candle to NYC, it's spectacular natural setting in the PNW makes up for that IMO, it's partially why I moved here. It also has a great job market, perhaps even better than NYC for tech fields. The first time I visited Seattle I was blown away by the setting. I mean a 3 hour drive away, in the Olympic mountains you can hike from the snow covered sub alpine zone in mountains into the rain forest and finally to the wild pacific. And then you have Rainier, one of the world's largest stratvolcanoes plus the Cascades, which are just a 30 minute drive away.

I think that depends on how you define "nice". The autumn foliage of the eastern deciduous forest crushes anything out west.


Dude, no, the appalachians are nice, as is fall color, but... There are places in Washington that look like this.

I think NYC might be the greatest city in the world, but I'm happier living in Boston than I would be living in NYC.


Yep, replace "Boston" with "Seattle" for me, and I'm in complete agreement.
   68. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:42 PM (#4612687)
54. Döner Kebap Posted: December 06, 2013 at 06:28 PM (#4612643)
Oooh, BTF city debates! My favorite.

I've spent a good bit of time in each of these cities. I like Seattle. I can see how someone would prefer it to New York. Not to knock NY, but the pacific Northwest is the most beautiful region of the continental US. Some people like nature. Some people don't like crazy hustle bustle. NYC has always felt like a place residents need to get away from now and then to stay sane. It's waaaaay easier to relax in your time off living in Seattle than in NYC, which is just a constant flurry of awesome. Didn't Cano have a problem with that back in the Melky days?


Türkiye'de sizin en sevdiginiz shehir ne?
   69. Home Run Teal & Black Black Black Gone! Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:43 PM (#4612689)
This New York bashing is nutty crazypants. It's one of the cultural/arts/entertainment/theater/restaurant meccas of the world.

I'm not turning this into a city-bashing enterprise. Everything I've heard about Seattle and the PNW is great. No one here is saying your life is somehow empty for not living in New York. But to say you can't understand why anybody would live in New York immediately reveals you to be guilty of either hyperbole or provincialism. Pick one.

Me, personally, I do it because New York is the capital city for my industry (financial litigation) and my hobby (comedy).
   70. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:46 PM (#4612692)
This discussion is kind of insane. One reason is that pretty much zero Yankees live in the city itself.
   71. Bruce Markusen Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:47 PM (#4612694)
All of this nonsensical New York City bashing aside, most Yankee players have tended to live outside of the city--in Westchester County, New Jersey, or Connecticut. There are many beautiful neighborhoods in the tri-state area, giving Yankee players plenty of choices.
   72. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:52 PM (#4612696)
nonsensical New York City bashing aside


Again, I think it is neither nonsensical nor bashing to choose SEA or LA or SF or any other city over NYC. Nor would the opposite be true. Many people would choose not to live in NYC precisely because of its cultural/financial mecca status. Other people would rather live in a sunny weather mecca or an outdoors mecca or a cheap living mecca or.... just Mecca.
   73. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4612698)
Yeah, but some people are, in fact, bashing New York.
   74. Juan Uribe Marching and Chowder Society Posted: December 06, 2013 at 08:57 PM (#4612699)
Yeah, but some people are, in fact, bashing New York.


Even the guy who was complaining about New York City bashing acknowledged there are some really great places to live *outside* the city.
   75. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:11 PM (#4612706)
Jay-Z prides himself on being a hustler – a universal street handle for someone who does what he must to make money. Even people in prison have a hustle, from selling soda to cigarettes to hooch.

I think the racism in Seattle is a bit more subtle than this.
   76. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:16 PM (#4612710)
Born and raised in NYC, so I sort of hate what it's become and yet I think it's amazing. Maybe it's being a public school teacher and working all over the city, but it's a dynamic place.

I also would love to visit Seattle too.

Every place is sacred in some way, to paraphrase Victor Hugo.
   77. Lassus Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:28 PM (#4612714)
And while the Catskills aren't bad, the Adirondacks are way nicer. Not as nice as where I've been in the Sierra Nevadas, but still nice.

I grew up (and currently live) in the foothills of the Adirondacks, and I lived in the San Jacintos for awhile out west; no argument on any of your points here.
   78. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:29 PM (#4612715)
Born and raised in NYC, so I sort of hate what it's become

What's to hate about what it's become. I think it's done quite well.
And while the Catskills aren't bad, the Adirondacks are way nicer. Not as nice as where I've been in the Sierra Nevadas, but still nice.

I grew up (and currently live) in the foothills of the Adirondacks, and I lived in the San Jacintos for awhile out west; no argument on any of your points here.

I can't wait for the next FA to sign somewhere and cite the quality of the surrounding mountain range as his reason for the move.
   79. Arbitol Dijaler Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:34 PM (#4612716)
I'd love to put it to early 90s Meg Ryan.
   80. Bob Tufts Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:45 PM (#4612719)
No one in Seattle does well with long term deals - see Kurt Cobain....
   81. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:46 PM (#4612720)
78- I think Sex and the Ciry was a turning point.

More precisely, Manhattan is basically unaffordable for most people. We've lost a lot diversity in that borough over the last 39 years.
   82. Dr. Vaux Posted: December 06, 2013 at 09:47 PM (#4612721)
You know, some people have aesthetic reasons for thinking that certain kinds of, shall we say, artistic activity are way more popular than they ought to be on merit. Not everything is racial. If someone doesn't like Beethoven, does that make him racist against white people because Beethoven was white?

What's to hate about what it's become. I think it's done quite well.


It's priced out a huge percentage of its traditional population and turned into a gentrified fantasyland guarded by jackbooted thugs.
   83. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:04 PM (#4612724)
I lived in NYC for many years in one of the worst eras in recent history, viz. the 1970's. We had the default, Ford to City: Drop Dead, garbage strikes, Son of Sam, the blackout--but I loved it. My son lives there now and I still go up quite often.

BUT (channelling Peter Gammons) I liked the city a lot more when I moved from there out to the north shore of LI. Then I could take a 45 minute train ride in, if I wanted to, and leave when I wanted to.

P.S. I like Seattle and Boston, also
   84. Jolly Old St. Nick Still Gags in October Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:09 PM (#4612727)
I mean given a choice and being a millionaire in a smaller city and being a millionaire in New York is a no brainer. You have to be stupid to want to live in New York out of choice.


Most people would say the opposite.

If I could get a reasonably large 4 bedroom house or apartment in either Seattle or New York for my current mortgage payment of $855.66, I'd gladly flip a coin and take either city, though in both cases I'd set the time machine back to about 1986. And you can add Chicago to the list.
   85. Howie Menckel Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:40 PM (#4612737)

I've lived my life within 35 miles of NYC except for a ton of travel, including many trips to, well, places like Seattle. And I like Seattle, a little more than Portland but not quite as much as Vancouver. The gripes about the rainfall are overstated, and I enjoy the overall vibe - though the traffic can be a lot worse than one might expect, while much of NYC is not as bad as people would think.

It would be weird for anyone to act as if they could find nothing to enjoy about NYC, though. And one aspect is how quickly the "city" feel disappears just outside of the 5 boroughs - whether you like to hike or pick apples or fish or, yes, hunt. And the hottest and coldest days in NYC are brutal, but the best climate days are tough to beat compared to Seattle's best.
   86. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:41 PM (#4612738)
Seattle is also a great town and although the people are a bit strange


This hurts because it's true. We're very polite and yet not very friendly.

This New York bashing is nutty crazypants. It's one of the cultural/arts/entertainment/theater/restaurant meccas of the world.


I have a suspicion that athletes, even highly paid ones, aren't interested in taking full advantage of their museum- and theater-going opportunities, at least not during their playing days. I doubt that aspect of New York's superiority carries much weight with Cano.
   87. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:46 PM (#4612739)
very place is sacred in some way, to paraphrase Victor Hugo.


Strong point.

More precisely, Manhattan is basically unaffordable for most people. We've lost a lot diversity in that borough over the last 39 years.


Well, here's the thing. The highest earning census tract in Manhattan, the one right across from Central Park and the Met, has a median income of 250k. 20% of Manhattan lives in Poverty. So it's very hard to afford unless you're getting housing assistance and/or have no children. But there are a lot of people living in Manhattan who are not making that much money.

Dude, no, the appalachians are nice, as is fall color, but... There are places in Washington that look like this.


Yeah, but... this and this. Not arguing that it's better, but it's in the same league. The east coast mountains can be spectacularly pretty, and the distance between NYC and Shenandoah or Vermont are the same distance as between Seattle and Oregon, basically.

eta:
though the traffic can be a lot worse than one might expect, while much of NYC is not as bad as people would think.


Wanted to second this. Driving in and around NYC is so much easier than around Boston, despite Boston having 1/4th the population. Driving on Manhattan is 100 times easier than driving in Boston.
   88. Rafael Bellylard: A failure of the waist. Posted: December 06, 2013 at 10:58 PM (#4612742)
I think that depends on how you define "nice". The autumn foliage of the eastern deciduous forest crushes anything out west.


Even if this were true (and I think "crushes" is a huge overstep), by the time the peak foliage season hits the Northeast in mid-October, Cano will have been off work for two weeks and can vacation there.
   89. Darren Posted: December 06, 2013 at 11:08 PM (#4612747)
Why is the blame always on the player in these situations? Sure, Cano took 20% more than he could have gotten, but what about the Yankees? Why aren't the writers/fans mad at them for not being willing shell out for the one bright spot on their team last year? For one of the most consistently excellent players who is likely to be available for the next several years?

The Yankees choose to sit on their piles of money, to fail to pony up a couple more million a year for this homegrown star, and it's the star who's being greedy for leaving. It's amazing, but I'm still surprised by how many people are convinced to vote against their own interests, so I guess I'm too much of an optimist.
   90. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 11:24 PM (#4612757)
The autumn foliage of the eastern deciduous forest crushes anything out west.


. . . no. Just -- just no. It's pretty, but there are places in Oregon, Washington, Utah, California, Arizona, and Idaho (just to name a few) that are enough to turn an atheist into a believer. Snow-capped mountains so big on the horizon you'd think you could touch them. Douglas firs tall as a skyscraper, and in their thousands. Painted hills and red sunsets. Vertiginous canyons lined with junipers. Rude cliffs on the edge of the ocean. Fog-slung valleys, sun-dappled fields. Forests in autumn where the ground cover burns orange and the pines above radiate green. I lived in the northeast for several years, and as nice as the fall is there, it can't hold a candle to the left coast.

Anyway. I've never lived in Seattle, but I've a lot of friends there, and it's quite nice, except for the traffic. The people can be cold fish, but whatever, I'm a loner anyway. The food is good, the scenery is beautiful, and the Mariners are on the radio 162 times a year.

The places I've lived, ranked:

1. Portland
2. Brooklyn
3. Washington DC
4. Los Angeles
5. Bend, OR
6. The Peninsula (SF suburbs)
7. Inland Empire (LA suburbs)
.
.
.
.
.
8. Minneapolis

I am that rare lover of Los Angeles. And yeah, it's got a lot of problems. The city is broke and parts of it are unsafe. The traffic is bad and the food isn't as good as it should be. But ####### if it isn't glorious to wake up on a November morning and see the sun falling across the hills of Silverlake and Echo Park. To walk down to any random taco stand and get better Mexican food than you can get in any other city in America. (SF, Albuquerque and El Paso partisans will tell you otherwise, but they're wrong.) To go to the park and play soccer with a dozen guys who don't speak English, are only five feet tall, are 50 years old, and are all a thousand times better than you can ever hope to be. To go to Venice Beach and get stoned and wander among the freaks. To go to the Tattle Tale in the afternoon and have a drink.
   91. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: December 06, 2013 at 11:27 PM (#4612758)
(SF, Albuquerque and El Paso partisans will tell you otherwise


Also San Diego partisans.
   92. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 06, 2013 at 11:38 PM (#4612770)
8. Minneapolis


Oh! I meant to respond to this! I lived in Minneapolis when I was in law school there, so 3 years on and off, and thought it was a pretty great conurbation. What do you hate so much about it?

I am that rare lover of Los Angeles.


Oh, my bad. You just have no taste.

(de gustibus non est disputandum!)
   93. bobm Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:14 AM (#4612794)
Robinson Cano: 139 Plate Appearances in Career-2013, Home Games and Vs. SEA:
  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS BAbip
.328 .374 .496 .870  .362


Robinson Cano: 163 Plate Appearances in Career-2013, Away Games and Vs. SEA:
  BA  OBP  SLG  OPS BAbip
.309 .350 .487 .837  .344
   94. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:21 AM (#4612798)
What do you hate so much about it?


Mostly it's the people, but it's also the weather, the urban blight, the shitty food scene, the excess of Jesus.
   95. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:23 AM (#4612802)
You know, some people have aesthetic reasons for thinking that certain kinds of, shall we say, artistic activity are way more popular than they ought to be on merit. Not everything is racial. If someone doesn't like Beethoven, does that make him racist against white people because Beethoven was white?
Is this in response to something?
   96. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:41 AM (#4612812)
Forests in autumn where the ground cover burns orange and the pines above radiate green. I lived in the northeast for several years, and as nice as the fall is there, it can't hold a candle to the left coast.


I'm the exact opposite. I've never been to the Pacific Northwest, which I suspect is more my taste, but I haven't seen anything in Colorado, Arizona or California that I find remotely as appealing as what I find on the right side of the country. To each his own.

   97. jacjacatk Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:42 AM (#4612813)
Mostly it's the people, but it's also the weather, the urban blight, the shitty food scene, the excess of Jesus.


In Minneapolis? Seriously, never, ever go south of the Mason-Dixon line, and that's accounting for the fact that the people down here are mostly fairly nice (though not Minnesota-nice).
   98. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:54 AM (#4612818)
Minnesota-nice is "Bless your heart" nice, AKA not nice at all.

The weather does suck, given that you switch from 95 degrees and humid to 20 below over the course of a couple weeks, but the food scene really isn't that bad (if you're really looking for haute cuisine La Belle Vie is run by the 2009 Beard winner for the midwest) and the theater scene is downright solid. I didn't see a ton of Jesus in Minneapolis, but I did work on a political campaign in Oklahoma before I went to law school so that might have blinded me. I certainly didn't have old ladies approaching me in Target asking me if I'd been saved because I was walking with a female friend and neither of us had wedding bands.

Minneapolis is a pretty great city, and if my family didn't all live on the east coast I would have given strong consideration to staying there. Don't pay attention to Voxter. He likes Los Angeles.
   99. Howie Menckel Posted: December 07, 2013 at 12:57 AM (#4612819)

I like LA (many visits) and Minneapolis too (fewer times, but longer stays), but admittedly I wouldn't want to live in either place permanently. Other than maybe Sacramento (and Phoenix is pushing it), have rarely visited a place with little/no redeeming qualities...

   100. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: December 07, 2013 at 01:02 AM (#4612824)
Other than maybe Sacramento (and Phoenix is pushing it), have rarely visited a place with little/no redeeming qualities...

Have you been to East St Louis or Trenton? Akron? Gary? Stockton? San Bernadino? There are lots of really crappy cities in the US if you want to find them.
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