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Saturday, August 09, 2014

Kernan: Derek Jeter’s greatness about much more than milestones

If there’s a formula for turning obvious errors into hits…Derek Jeter has discovered it.

Jeter then cut to the chase, explaining something that is lost a bit in today’s game.

“I’ve always tried to do everything on the field to help the team try to win,’’ Jeter told The Post. “In all different ways, offensively, defensively, moving runners up to score a run. That’s how you win games. You can take all these formulas and stuff and throw it out the window.’’

Jeter moved the runners up on a sacrifice bunt in the sixth. Two batters later, Carlos Beltran drilled a grand slam.

When I mentioned to Jeter the winning approach is getting lost in today’s game, he did not hesitate.

“It’s been lost,’’ he said, “since they started coming up with all these formulas.’’

Jeter is not going to be the guest speaker at the next meeting of analytical experts. The iPad game is not his game. He knows what it takes to win. At the age of 40, he produces.

Repoz Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:03 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:20 AM (#4767651)
This is silly. In the sequence ending in the Grand Slam:

- Ichiro walks, then steals second
- Gardner walks.
- The pitcher (Axford) then throws a ball to Jeter.
- On the 1-0 count, Jeter executes a sac bunt to third base.
- Ellsbury is then intentionally walked.
- Beltran hits a HR

Then, Axford is replaced.
- Cervelli hits a ground rule double
- Headley gets hit by a pitch

Seven guys in a row, pitch two pitchers who are clearly struggling to get anybody out (in Axford's case, struggling to throw a strike), and the key to the inning was the...one guy who gave up his at bat in the midst of all this?

It strikes me that the key to the inning was that the first two guys walked. Only 50 more games or so of this adulation...
   2. Lassus Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:25 AM (#4767653)
Only 50 more games years or so of this adulation...
   3. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:25 AM (#4767654)
Had he not bunted, Jeter would have grounded into a triple play, so clearly the bunt was key.
   4. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:27 AM (#4767656)
So the key to the inning was actually Ichiro. Ooh, a battle of the overrated. Is Suzuki actually better than Jeter? More WAR/season, eyeballing it.
   5. BDC Posted: August 09, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4767657)
When I mentioned to Jeter the winning approach is getting lost in today’s game, he did not hesitate.

“It’s been lost,’’ he said, “since they started coming up with all these formulas.’’


I guarantee you Joe Start said something like that about the Chadwick Ratio.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: August 09, 2014 at 11:33 AM (#4767685)
Jeter moved the runners up on a sacrifice bunt in the sixth. Two batters later, Carlos Beltran drilled a grand slam.


I mean, really? You couldn't even TRY to find a situation where moving the runners up actually mattered to the outcome?
   7. ??'s Biggest Fan! Posted: August 09, 2014 at 11:38 AM (#4767688)
The best thing Jeter can do this season to help his team win is to voluntarily move himself down to the bottom of the lineup. Takes his manager and front office off the hook and embellishes his "Team First" halo.
   8. Lassus Posted: August 09, 2014 at 11:52 AM (#4767690)
I mean, really? You couldn't even TRY to find a situation where moving the runners up actually mattered to the outcome?

Has anyone looked at the AB? Do we even know he wasn't trying to bunt for a hit?
   9. JE (Jason) Posted: August 09, 2014 at 12:10 PM (#4767694)
This is silly.

Way sillier was the official scorer's decision to award Jeter a HIT on Carlos Santana's drop of a perfectly good throw. Tom Hamilton was thoroughly disgusted, going so far to denounce the official scorer for wearing a Jeter jersey.
   10. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 09, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4767698)
Jeter has a promising career ahead of him as a crotchety Old Baseball Man.
   11. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 09, 2014 at 12:49 PM (#4767704)
“I’ve always tried to do everything in the bedroom to help try to climax,’’ Jeter told The Post. “In all different ways, from behind, her on top, pushing her head down to my hips to let her know what she needs to. That’s how you reach orgasm. You can take all those condoms and herpes treatments and throw them out the window.’’

   12. Batman Posted: August 09, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4767734)
Is Suzuki actually better than Jeter?
If he wanted to.
   13. jdennis Posted: August 09, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4767752)
Hopefully they will turn that into an error. That was an obvious drop by the 1B. It won't make any difference in the career rank, Jeter will pass Wagner and not catch the Klansman regardless.
   14. BDC Posted: August 09, 2014 at 03:20 PM (#4767757)
not catch the Klansman

I suppose you mean Tris Speaker, but there is very little evidence that Speaker belonged to the KKK. Charles Alexander notes that there is only one source (Fred Lieb, who was mentioned in another thread today as a source for a lot of insider stuff), and Lieb only purported to repeat something Speaker told him. Not saying Lieb was a liar or Speaker wasn't a Klansman, but the evidence is shallow.
   15. Buzzkill Posted: August 09, 2014 at 05:16 PM (#4767796)
I'm no Jeter disciple but 6th in hits all time? There is nothing negative to say about it. It's an incredible achievement. 150 hits away from Stan the Man? Awesome. And if you ask me, not much of a farewell tour. Much more buzz around Mo's and others. He looked downright embarrassed at the All Star game. Crazy thing is, it looks like he'll have one more shot at the post season. You ain't seen adulation yet.
   16. bookbook Posted: August 09, 2014 at 05:37 PM (#4767808)
Yep. It's not easy to be both a no-doubt HOFer and criminally overrated at the same time.

If I were him, I'd also pooh-pooh all the statheads who point out how much better A-Rod has been than me.
   17. tshipman Posted: August 09, 2014 at 06:18 PM (#4767824)
Gosh I'm glad this guy is here to tell us about Derek Jeter's greatness. Someone somewhere must not have gotten the message yet.
   18. shoewizard Posted: August 09, 2014 at 06:36 PM (#4767829)
You ain't seen adulation yet.


Last playoff appearance, 1st year on the HOF ballot......yeah, lots more to come.
   19. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 09, 2014 at 08:06 PM (#4767856)
Multiple Derek Jeter BBTF threads seem a bit much . . . on Paul O'Neill Day!
   20. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 09, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4767863)
The O'Neill thing freaked me out when I did the math. He was a Yankee from 1993-2001, "only" eight years. He has been retired since then. So twelve or thirteen years, depending on how you count. He has been retired for a lot longer than he was a Yankee. Freaky.
   21. TJ Posted: August 09, 2014 at 10:32 PM (#4767882)
I'm a Derek Jeter fan, and even I am getting nauseated by all these stroke job articles...the people more responsible than Derek Jeter for Beltran hitting that grand slam are:

1. Carlos Beltran, who actually hit the damn thing.
2. John Axford, who loaded the bases and served up the gopher ball.
3 (tie). Ichiro and Gardner, for getting on base.
4. Axford's manager, for ordering the intentional walk.
5. Mr. and Mrs. Beltran, for providing the DNA base which became Carlos Beltran.

Of course, I could be wrong, and it was Jeter's master plan all along to sacrifice two runners along to force the intentional walk to Ellsbury, knowing that Beltran would then hit the grand slam since he wouldn't dare let Derek Jeter down...



   22. Howie Menckel Posted: August 09, 2014 at 10:51 PM (#4767888)

Kernan is a good guy, a bit past his prime, he knows what his audience wants, he pretty much believes it, and new stuff is scary.

have I mentioned that he's a mensch? you could do worse in picking a drinking buddy watching a game.

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