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Kernan: Jeter knows time running out for him to get ‘comfortable’

Fetch…the Comfy Chair! Pronto!

Welcome to the final spring training week of Derek Jeter’s career.

He’s hitting .114 this spring. He’s coming back from a lost season.

Where does he go from here?

Jeter knew it was going to be a difficult process coming back from a season in which he played only 17 games because of leg injuries, which followed a fractured ankle. At the age of 39 he knew this was not going to be a walk in the park.

Jeter has extreme confidence in himself, but understands the challenge.

“What I want to do is just be comfortable,’’ Jeter told The Post of this final week of spring training, beginning with Tuesday night’s game against the Phillies at George M. Steinbrenner Field. “That’s the key every spring, you want to be comfortable the last week. It’s not necessarily the first three, four, five weeks before the season starts, it’s that last week you want to be comfortable. You want to feel good.’’

Where is Jeter in that process?

“It’s taken a little longer than maybe some other years,’’ Jeter admitted, which tells you how difficult it has been. “But the last couple of games, it’s starting to get better. I’ve been getting better and better, so you just want the last few games to really feel comfortable.’’

...Scouts have been watching closely.

“You can see that his timing is just not there yet with his swing,’’ said one scout who follows the Yankees on a regular basis. “The bottom line with Jeter is that he just needs to be healthy and lead. That’s his role at this stage of the game. He doesn’t need to hit .300. He needs to provide leadership. He’s running slightly below where he used to run, but he is moving okay. So he runs 4.54 now instead of 4.24. But he is not laboring.’’

General manager Brian Cashman said: “I have no concerns over Derek Jeter. I don’t know what his batting average is, but I could care less.’’

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   1. Cris E Posted: March 25, 2014 at 09:28 AM (#4676671)
(pretend) Cashman continued, "We played without him last year too."
   2. jmurph Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM (#4676687)
Cashman concluded: "Derek Jeter should just shut the #### up. When the Yankees want to announce something about Jeter being comfortable, we will."
   3. JE (Jason) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:25 AM (#4676691)
A little help: I haven't watched more than two or three Grapefruit League games and none involved the Yankees. How many of Jeter's "hits" made it to the outfield grass?

“You can see that his timing is just not there yet with his swing,’’ said one scout who follows the Yankees on a regular basis. “The bottom line with Jeter is that he just needs to be healthy and lead. That’s his role at this stage of the game. He doesn’t need to hit .300. He needs to provide leadership. He’s running slightly below where he used to run, but he is moving okay. So he runs 4.54 now instead of 4.24. But he is not laboring.’’

If true ... toast.
   4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4676694)
He’s hitting .114 this spring.


####### A-Rod, distracting the Yankees!
   5. Yeaarrgghhhh Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4676707)
I'm hardly a scout, but going from 4.24 to 4.54 seems like a pretty serious decline for a guy who gets a lot of infield hits and already had lousy range at SS.
   6. SG Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:45 AM (#4676708)
Is there any reason to think Jeter is running all out in meaningless spring training games?
   7. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4676711)
I have no concerns over Derek Jeter. I don’t know what his batting average is, but I could care less.’’


COULDN'T care less. COULDN'T.
   8. Canker Soriano Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4676712)
Is there any reason to think Jeter is running all out in meaningless spring training games?

Are you questioning Jeter's hustle? That'll be 10 Hail Jeters.
   9. The Good Face Posted: March 25, 2014 at 10:49 AM (#4676714)
I have no concerns over Derek Jeter. I don’t know what his batting average is, but I could care less.’’


COULDN'T care less. COULDN'T.


I'm pretty sure that's just Cashman subtly saying, "Holy #### am I worried about Jeter sucking up the joint this year!"
   10. puck Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:05 AM (#4676720)
When is the last time a HoF caliber player called it quits mid-season? I remember Mike Schmidt, but that was 25 years ago, so there must be someone more recent.
   11. SG Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:07 AM (#4676721)
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:08 AM (#4676722)
I doubt he retires early, if for no other reason than he's already got the whole farewell tour planned, but I'd be very surprised if Jeter lasts the entire season as the Yankees' starting shortstop.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:13 AM (#4676725)
Zips has Brendan Ryan worth 1 WAR in 425 PAs. If he is forced into full-time duty, I doubt there is much fall-off, if any, from what you could reasonably expect from Jeter.
   14. bunyon Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:14 AM (#4676726)
Of course he's toast. I thought we knew this last year?
   15. Nasty Nate Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:21 AM (#4676730)
Maybe his career will end with him limping off the field in some mid-summer weekday afternoon getaway game between 2 last place teams in front of 7,000 people in Houston.
   16. flournoy Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4676732)
Hall of Fame caliber midseason retirements, other than the aforementioned Griffey and Schmidt...

Ryne Sandberg (the first time, in 1994)
Manny Ramirez (sort of)
Kirby Puckett (under extenuating circumstances)
   17. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:31 AM (#4676735)
Time is running, you say? And is running faster than Jeter can. And it also only runs in one direction, just like Derek.


Seriously though time catches us all, he has had a great career.
   18. bunyon Posted: March 25, 2014 at 12:09 PM (#4676763)
Indeed. His being toast this year (and last) is not relevant to his career.

It is relevant that the Yankees keep trying to run him out there.
   19. Avoid running at all times.-S. Paige Posted: March 25, 2014 at 12:12 PM (#4676767)
Yeah, so the idea that the Yanks are not going to try to sign Stephen Drew seems even more crazy.
   20. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: March 25, 2014 at 12:18 PM (#4676772)
If he's not comfortable, they could put a chair out at shortstop for him. The difference in range would be minuscule.
   21. Hang down your head, Tom Foley Posted: March 25, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4676773)
Maybe his career will end with him limping off the field in some mid-summer weekday afternoon getaway game between 2 last place teams in front of 7,000 people in Houston.
I'd like that, because it would mean either he's traded or he comes back for another year. The last 2014 Yankee game in Houston is next week. Or in the playoffs.
   22. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: March 25, 2014 at 01:05 PM (#4676791)
Maybe his career will end with him limping off the field in some mid-summer weekday afternoon getaway game between 2 last place teams in front of 7,000 people in Houston.

Except for the "mid-summer" part, that might almost describe next week's Yankees opener.
   23. Morty Causa Posted: March 25, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4676795)
#7:

How do you know? Why not just take him at his word?
   24. AROM Posted: March 25, 2014 at 01:09 PM (#4676797)
I'm hardly a scout, but going from 4.24 to 4.54 seems like a pretty serious decline for a guy who gets a lot of infield hits and already had lousy range at SS.


On a scouting scale, that's going from about a 55 to a 30. Being 40 sucks for your speed, as does having a serious ankle injury. Put them together...Quite a challenge.
   25. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 25, 2014 at 01:38 PM (#4676815)
Jeter will be back and nearly as good as before, he just has to get comfortable, which will happen as soon as this latest herpes flare up subsides.
   26. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4676825)
Time is running, you say? And is running faster than Jeter can. And it also only runs in one direction, just like Derek.


Time only moves to the right?
   27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 02:08 PM (#4676832)
Time only moves to the right?

Yes, clockwise.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:04 PM (#4676891)
You just blew my mind, man.
   29. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4676892)

Was he really running a 4.24 last year before the injury?
   30. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:19 PM (#4676898)
Hall of Fame caliber midseason retirements...
Kirby Puckett (under extenuating circumstances)


Puckett's injury occurred on Sept. 28, making it more of a midcareer retirement than a midseason one.
   31. Captain Supporter Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:25 PM (#4676902)
Mindless snark is unfortunately the rule rather than the exception on this site.
   32. The District Attorney Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:30 PM (#4676906)
Time is, of course, a flat circle.

It's really a shame they apparently decided Jeter had to be the shortstop unto death. Let's not even talk about when A-Rod came... Jeter was still hitting well enough in 2012 (791 OPS) to be the DH. But you can't DH him now. There's almost no way he'll hit well enough to justify it. So they gotta use him at SS until he drops. He'll try his damndest, and he may even pull it off because he's Derek Jeter, but, man. They seriously should sign Drew.
   33. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4676909)
Was he really running a 4.24 last year
Year before last.
   34. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:34 PM (#4676910)
In his last healthy season, Jeter hit .316 and led MLB in hits. It takes more than a handful of spring training games to establish his true value, although some here have been predicting Jeter's demise since 2008, if not earlier.
   35. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:48 PM (#4676918)
Mindless snark is unfortunately the rule rather than the exception on this site.


Mindful snark on the other hand is all too rare, but a big part of what makes this site worthwhile.

It takes more than a handful of spring training games to establish his true value, although some here have been predicting Jeter's demise since 2008, if not earlier.


I have never before declared Captain Dreamboat's baseball demise, but the giant fork sticking out of his back suggests to me his time is well and truly done.
   36. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: March 25, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4676923)
Time is a big ball of wibbly wobbly timey wimey stuff.
   37. Baldrick Posted: March 25, 2014 at 05:12 PM (#4676941)
In his last healthy season, Jeter hit .316 and led MLB in hits. It takes more than a handful of spring training games to establish his true value, although some here have been predicting Jeter's demise since 2008, if not earlier.

If only we had other information. Like his .114 batting average in 2012, his advanced age, or his negative WAA for each of the last four years.

I would be shocked if he manages more than 300 plate appearances while hitting over .270.
   38. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 25, 2014 at 05:36 PM (#4676955)
Hall of Fame caliber midseason retirements, other than the aforementioned Griffey and Schmidt...

Ryne Sandberg (the first time, in 1994)
Manny Ramirez (sort of)
Kirby Puckett (under extenuating circumstances)


Babe Ruth, Don Drysdale, Joe Torre, Whitey Ford.
   39. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: March 25, 2014 at 05:42 PM (#4676962)
Also Dick Allen (the first time, in 1974)

I agree it's highly unlikely with Jeter.
   40. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 25, 2014 at 05:48 PM (#4676966)
Time is running, you say? And is running faster than Jeter can.


But I think he's alone now, doesn't seem to be anyone around....

Is there any reason to think Jeter is running all out in meaningless spring training games?


So are suggesting he's missing out on infield singles? Because if he's relying on infield singles, the toast is well and truly burnt so badly you can't even scrape it well enough to feed to your dog.
   41. SG Posted: March 25, 2014 at 05:57 PM (#4676971)
So are suggesting he's missing out on infield singles?


No, I'm suggesting comparing two stopwatch times at this point in time isn't really all that useful.
   42. flournoy Posted: March 25, 2014 at 06:14 PM (#4676979)
Puckett's injury occurred on Sept. 28, making it more of a midcareer retirement than a midseason one.


He went blind in the one eye during Spring Training the following season, went on the DL, and announced his retirement around the All-Star break.
   43. tfbg9 Posted: March 25, 2014 at 06:38 PM (#4676982)
Thurman Munson, 1979?
   44. valuearbitrageur Posted: March 25, 2014 at 06:49 PM (#4676989)

Was he really running a 4.24 last year before the injury?


That's still a fairly pedestrian time to first, a little faster than average I think, but far from the well below 4 second timescale real burners put up.
   45. Jim Wisinski Posted: March 25, 2014 at 06:50 PM (#4676990)
As far as I know Munson never announced he was retiring.
   46. The Yankee Clapper Posted: March 25, 2014 at 07:31 PM (#4677003)
If only we had other information. Like his .114 batting average in 2012 . . .

Jeter hit .316 and led MLB in hits in 2012. His less than stellar 2013 stats were compiled in 17 scattered games while battling injury. Jeter's spring training stats aren't that great, but they're a little better than those of the recently extended David Ortiz. I wouldn't make too much of that for either player.
   47. Hal Chase School of Professionalism Posted: March 25, 2014 at 08:25 PM (#4677019)
Thurman Munson, 1979?


Do I go to hell, too, for reading that post?
   48. tfbg9 Posted: March 25, 2014 at 09:06 PM (#4677028)
Lou Gehrig, 1939?

Hey, he announced and everything!
   49. Baldrick Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:43 PM (#4677069)
Jeter hit .316 and led MLB in hits in 2012. His less than stellar 2013 stats were compiled in 17 scattered games while battling injury. Jeter's spring training stats aren't that great, but they're a little better than those of the recently extended David Ortiz. I wouldn't make too much of that for either player.

Yeah, it was a typo. My bad.

In other news, I dropped a glass today and it shattered when it hit the ground. My girlfriend told me to throw it away, but I said 'the last time this glass was unbroken, it held my drink perfectly.' So, just to show her, I scooped up the remnants and poured some lemonade into them. And sure, it didn't work. But that's just ONE piece of data. I'm sure it'll be fine in the long run.

And hey, all my friends have been hoping to say a final goodbye to the glass so I'll definitely keep running the pile of shards out when we have people over so they can admire them.
   50. Squash Posted: March 25, 2014 at 11:44 PM (#4677071)
Was he really running a 4.24 last year before the injury?

I had the same reaction, until I realized they were talking about time to first and not the 40-yard dash.
   51. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:04 AM (#4677095)
With all due respect to the comments here, and all that's due is very little, Jeter being Jeter he won't rub his nose in failure for very long before he takes a considered decision about what role is good for both him and the team.

That's leadership, baby!! And dignity.. of which this thread is pretty void : )



Personally, I root for the guy - I'd love to see a 200 hit season, part SS, part DH, but obviously anything around 150 hits and a .345 oba would have to be measured as pretty much of a success. Dude's an aging icon, and a little good would be a nice ending.
   52. Baldrick Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:15 AM (#4677096)
Yeah, I mean, all the love for Jeter does annoy me but I really love it when great players go out in some degree of style. It's a nice capstone.
   53. Monty Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:19 AM (#4677097)
With all due respect to the comments here, and all that's due is very little


You seem nice.
   54. alkeiper Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:03 AM (#4677100)

So are suggesting he's missing out on infield singles? Because if he's relying on infield singles, the toast is well and truly burnt so badly you can't even scrape it well enough to feed to your dog.

It's not infield singles. Time to first determines how far back the defense can play and still throw the runner out at first base. When Matt Lecroy lost a step, a team could conceivably play seven outfielders and still throw him out at first base.

As far as midseason retirements, I recall Steve Carlton had to be dragged from the field kicking and screaming.
   55. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: March 26, 2014 at 06:22 AM (#4677101)
"You seem nice."

well, if that's what you took away from my post, let me respond in kind... you seem clever
   56. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 08:55 AM (#4677128)
You both seem pretty.
   57. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 08:59 AM (#4677132)
Ladies, please! You can both marry Abe Simpson!
   58. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:24 AM (#4677145)
well, if that's what you took away from my post


If you didn't want him to take that away from your post, then maybe you shouldn't have written exactly that, verbatim.
   59. bunyon Posted: March 26, 2014 at 09:35 AM (#4677154)
As far as I know Munson never announced he was retiring.

Call Inmarsat.


As for Jeter, I've never claimed he was done. I've claimed for a long time that his range wasn't good and that he was overrated (but with the press he gets he could be Ruth, Mantle and Clemens all in one and be overrated).

But guys with ankle injuries like he had at his age rarely make it back. I agree, it would be a cool capstone if he could rally for a decent season. I just don't expect it.
   60. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4677199)
But guys with ankle injuries like he had at his age rarely make it back


Out of curiosity, just how many guys his age have had ankle injuries like Jeter's? 2? 3?
   61. AROM Posted: March 26, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4677214)
Out of curiosity, just how many guys his age have had ankle injuries like Jeter's? 2? 3?


Probably most guys his age who try to play sports at any level. If you limit it to those playing shortstop everyday at age 38, and hitting at an allstar level, might be a sample of 1.
   62. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:13 PM (#4677250)
Out of curiosity, just how many guys his age have had ankle injuries like Jeter's? 2? 3?


I'm not quite as old as Jeter, but my one ankle is totally destroyed. Does that count?
   63. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4677255)
#61 & #62 -

I was sorta talking about MLB players...not you aged, injury prone, Greek gods.
   64. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: March 26, 2014 at 12:26 PM (#4677258)
"If you didn't want him to take that away from your post, then maybe you shouldn't have written exactly that, verbatim."

and a second one weighs in on the clever side. the main point, vlad, was ...

cripes, never mind.


   65. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 01:03 PM (#4677292)

and a second one weighs in on the clever side. the main point, vlad, was ...


Was your main point "How dare you besmirch the mighty Saint Captain Jeter?"
   66. Bitter Mouse Posted: March 26, 2014 at 01:08 PM (#4677294)
mighty Saint Captain Jeter


That is "Saint Captain Dreamboat Jeter" to you, buddy!
   67. bunyon Posted: March 26, 2014 at 01:45 PM (#4677322)
Professional athletes are obviously physical outliers. With that said, they get injured and they age. History is full of guys who got hurt at an advanced age and never recovered (to the point of being an elite athlete). And almost every time, their fans argued that they're different...because.

Sure, Jeter may be his old self (in which case, he will still have poor range and not be as good an offensive power as his fans think*). The odds are heavily against it. We can all root for him - I do, even though I'm no particular fan of his and definitely not a fan of the Yankees, mostly because I'm to the point I root for middle aged guys who are a little beat up - but pointing out that 38 year olds with bad ankles may poor bets to be league average MLB SSs is not being overly critical.


* He's a HOFer, clearly. And has been very, very good for a very long time. But he isn't what his biggest fans think he is - the best player in the game.
   68. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4677341)
"Was your main point "How dare you besmirch the mighty Saint Captain Jeter?""

grin... : )

Annnnnd behind Door Number 3 we have Jack ... and all work and no play, well, we KNOW what that means : )
   69. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:10 PM (#4677343)
Gift basket to all the doubters....
   70. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: March 26, 2014 at 02:41 PM (#4677371)
Professional athletes are obviously physical outliers. With that said, they get injured and they age. History is full of guys who got hurt at an advanced age and never recovered (to the point of being an elite athlete). And almost every time, their fans argued that they're different...because.


Oh, don't get me wrong, I agree with you, I was just having a bit of fun with your 'ankle injuries like Jeter had' qualifier. It really wasn't needed. Just stick to 'guys his age with significant injuries rarely make it back'.

grin... : )

Annnnnd behind Door Number 3 we have Jack ... and all work and no play, well, we KNOW what that means : )


You've gone insane?
   71. Mom makes botox doctors furious Posted: March 26, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4677393)
indubidoubtedly

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