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Kilgore: Why did Tom Gorzelanny face Matt Kemp?

WHYYYYY… (unearthly screams heard nationwide)...WHYYYYY…

The best April baseball game in recent memory ended with a decision that demanded an explanation. Matt Kemp led off the 10th inning. Manager Davey Johnson stuck with left-hander Tom Gorzelanny, who had finished off the ninth inning. Kemp, a ferocious right-handed hitter, the best in the world right now, blasted a walk-off home run to center.

On the surface, it was an easily ridiculed call by Johnson. He still had right-handers Ryan Mattheus, Craig Stammen and even Ryan Perry in his bullpen. Why not go to one of them with the game on the line? Why let Kemp, tough enough to begin with, feast on a lefty?

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   1. Guapo Posted: April 29, 2012 at 10:09 AM (#4118919)
This game's on MPH-Rod, not Gorzelanny, although Gorz shouldn't have given Kemp anything to hit.
   2. Joey B. has ignited his October #Natitude Posted: April 29, 2012 at 10:13 AM (#4118920)
Speaking of Kemp, someone please drug test this S.O.B. already.
   3. Bob Evans Posted: April 29, 2012 at 10:27 AM (#4118926)
Why let Kemp, tough enough to begin with, feast on a lefty?

He was more likely to make an out, and if he had, nobody would be talking about it.
   4. Jeff Frances the Mute Posted: April 29, 2012 at 10:36 AM (#4118931)
Speaking of Kemp, someone please drug test this S.O.B. already.


They test steroids to make sure they aren't positive for Matt Kemp.
   5. Cowboy Popup Posted: April 29, 2012 at 10:47 AM (#4118935)
He was more likely to make an out, and if he had, nobody would be talking about it.

Kemp is hitting .577/.621/1.077 against lefties this year. He hit .341/.461/.682 against lefties last year. That's pretty close to a .500 OBP against lefties over the last year and a month so I'm not sure he was more likely to make an out. And even if he did make an out, having a lefty face him in that spot would still be a questionable decision.
   6. boteman Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:00 AM (#4118939)
Four wide ones to Kemp and work it out with the other 8 batters. The Nats still would have lost.

But I agree that leaving Rodriguez on the mound when he was CLEARLY having more control problems than usual was not a winning move. I speculate that perhaps Davey Johnson understands that the team is riding an unsustainable hot streak right now with a comfortable cushion so leave Henry in there to sink or swim to see how he does. Well, we saw alright. As the Ode to Marymount goes, "There is no substitute for experience."

It was the tale of two games: Strasburg vs Billingsley was better than advertised, matching up pretty evenly for 6 innings. Then it became just another battle of attrition for the visiting nine. Take away Hairston's HPB and the Nats win. Take away Espinoza's booted ball and the Nats win.

Still, a great night of baseball that had me glued to the game. Strasburg was Strasburg, Harper did about what I expected at the plate and showed off a laser arm, Vin Scully calling the game on TV via Extra Innings. Almost Heaven.
   7. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:07 AM (#4118942)
Speaking of Kemp, someone please drug test this S.O.B. already.


Who says they haven't? He was good last year too, remember?
   8. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:11 AM (#4118944)
Four wide ones to Kemp and work it out with the other 8 batters. The Nats still would have lost.

Any manager who IBB's a leadoff hitter in a tied game should get fired. Out of a canon. Into the sun. And have his children taken away.
   9. phredbird Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:29 AM (#4118949)
piehole and i were at the game ... it was awesome. harper is wicked fast and looked like he was in his rocking chair the whole game, dude has got a real swagger. the dodger comeback had the place rocking. i shouted myself hoarse.
   10. phredbird Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4118950)
agree with 8, btw. you have to get the outs ... though in hindsight, a different pitcher might have been a good idea.
   11. phredbird Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4118952)
also, also ... i heartily endorse the making of strasburg and harper into baseball stars. they both wear their pants the old school way, with the bottoms just below the knee, showing plenty of sock.
   12. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4118953)
The true test of a superstar is whether his success inexplicably angers Joey B. Well done, Matt, you've arrived.
   13. Greg Maddux School of Reflexive Profanity Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4118965)
Someone hit Joey the ########## in the head with a brick already.
   14. The District Attorney Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4118970)
Any manager who IBB's a leadoff hitter in a tied game should get fired. Out of a canon. Into the sun. And have his children taken away.
Correct.
   15. Drew (Primakov, Gungho Iguanas) Posted: April 29, 2012 at 12:02 PM (#4118972)
Someone hit Joey the ########## in the head with a brick already.


Who says they haven't? He was good last year too, remember?
   16. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: April 29, 2012 at 12:26 PM (#4118978)
Speaking of Kemp, someone please drug test this S.O.B. already.

Don't be such a ####### child.
   17. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:32 PM (#4119056)
Asking Joey to act maturely is liking asking Matt Kemp to not be a baseball god. It might have seemed like a good idea three years ago, but by now we've learned our lesson.
   18. Joey B. has ignited his October #Natitude Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:39 PM (#4119065)
Oooooooooooh, looks like I hit a nerve or two with that one.

He was good last year too, remember?

Sure I do. He's clearly the best player in the game now, and that's fine; someone has to be the best player in the game. But in the space of one season and change, he has gone from being merely a good player to suddenly looking like the second coming of convicted felon Barry Bonds. The version of Bonds with the gigantic steroid-bloated cranium.

And absolutely nobody saw this coming; Kemp was just a sixth round draft pick. So where in the hell did THIS come from? If there's one thing the last 10-15 years of baseball have taught me, it's that if something seems a little too good to be true, it probably is.
   19. Greg (U)K Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:46 PM (#4119071)
Heh, I assumed #2 was tongue in cheek and was about to reprimand you all for taking it seriously.

Hasn't the book on Kemp for years been huge, unrealized potential up until 2011? As I recall he was treated like a bit of a disappointment in LA his first years despite putting up a 120 OPS+ from age 22-24. If this isn't the kind of guy you expect to break out in his mid-20s then who is?
   20. Shock Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4119072)
peaking of Kemp, someone please drug test this S.O.B. already.


Remember when baseball used to be fun?
   21. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4119073)
Nope, Joey has a long history of this sort of thing. And as you can see, he speaks fluent troll.
   22. Zipperholes Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:48 PM (#4119074)
First of all, Johnson considered Mattheus unavailable because he had thrown 21 pitches the night before. (Perry was fresh, but do you want to counter Kemp with a pitcher fresh from Class AAA?)

Behind Kemp awaited Andre Ethier, Mark Ellis and James Loney lefty, righty, lefty. Johnson did not have any remaining left-handers in the bullpen, because Sean Burnett had pitched the previous two days.

Also, Johnson loathed the idea of bringing in Stammen, leaving himself for Sunday with two long men who had pitched the day before. Between conserving arms and ensuring a lefty would face Ethier and, either later in the 10th or in 11th, Loney, Johnson considered Gorzelanny the best option.

“At that point, I’ve got two left-handers coming up behind [Kemp] and I figured he was going to pitch him close there,” Johnson said. “And he’s my long man. I need another inning out of him. I really don’t want to go to my other long man, and I used Mattheus and Burnett two days in a row. So if you want to go ahead and throw the kitchen sink out there and have nothing left for tomorrow, that’s not a wise way to go about it.”
Some unclear, terrible writing by Adam Kilgore here. But if I understand it, these appear to be pretty poor reasons for not bringing in a righty. Perry is a major league reliever. And I don't get the "not wanting to use both long men." I assume the "long men" are pretty durable, no? You can't use both in one game, because neither can throw two days in a row, and you must need one available tomorrow?
   23. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4119076)
Sure I do. He's clearly the best player in the game now, and that's fine
Until he hits a walk-off against your team. Then it's testing time.

And absolutely nobody saw this coming; Kemp was just a sixth round draft pick.
I admit, I laughed.
   24. Daunte Vicknabbit! Posted: April 29, 2012 at 02:54 PM (#4119079)
"He can throw, run, steal a base, hit for average, hit for power, he's a good center fielder. He's got it all."- His manager in 2006.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2008/3/20/306903/not-a-rookie-matt-kemp

"My guess is that major league pitchers will make some adjustments in their approach and we will see his batting average drop, but we’re still talking about a guy who should hit .280-.290 with 25/20 production. At age 23 he has plenty of time to improve beyond that."

Tons of guys have come from relatively nowhere to be good players, and Matt Kemp didn't come from nowhere, he was considered to be one of the top prospects in one of MiLBs top farm systems, and advanced so quickly that he only had time to appear on the BA 100 list once. He just barely crossed the 50 Games threshold in 2006 or he would've been eligible in 2007, after hitting .346/.414/.543 across AA/AAA while being a plus defensive CF and baserunner, who then managed to eke out a .450 SLG as a 21 y/o even when his other stats suffered mightily.

Also: the man had a 6 WAR season as a 24-year-old. I'd say that's a pretty good indicator that he might become a superstar.
   25. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 29, 2012 at 03:27 PM (#4119115)
Joey B.'s all-time favorite music act was Menudo, but not for the songs. It's because by rule, every member had to eventually be thrown out of the band.
   26. Greg (U)K Posted: April 29, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4119125)
Speaking of unexpected performances, Jeff Mathis just absolutely crushed one. I've never really seen him play regularly before this year, but he's been dynamite in the five games he's played. All I knew about him before this year is that he's one of the worst players in baseball. Is he one of those guys that can hit it a mile when he gets a hold of it, but only gets a hold of it once every 3 years? I kind of assumed his crappiness took the form of weak-hitting catcher model A1, but that doesn't quite appear to accurately describe his awfulness.
   27. Walt Davis Posted: April 29, 2012 at 03:56 PM (#4119136)
Speaking of unexpected performances, Jeff Mathis just absolutely crushed one.

Used to play in the same metro area as Matt Kemp; currently a teammate of Jose Bautista. Need I say more?

Some unclear, terrible writing by Adam Kilgore here. But if I understand it, these appear to be pretty poor reasons for not bringing in a righty.

I don't know about that. (1) he was gonna lose the platoon advantage one way or the other. (2) at some point in a extra-inning game (and dependent on how rested the pen is) you've got to shift into multi-inning reliever mode. Gorz is a multi-inning reliever and you "had" to use him for one batter to get out of the 9th. You've now got the choice of removing your best multi-inning reliever after just one batter or leaving him in to do his job for the next two innings (if necessary). If there was a mistake there, it was using him to finish the 9th knowing Kemp was leading off the 10th. (3) I'm not in a position to say whether the other relievers were tired, whether "no pressure kid, just Matt Kemp with the game on the line" is a good way to start a kid's career and what the proper talent ranking is among the relievers left.

Even last year, Kemp hit "only" 1 HR per 15 PA against LHP. Obviously there's no reason to expect a HR here.
   28. fra paolo Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4119152)
You've now got the choice of removing your best multi-inning reliever...

Is Gorzelanny really the best multi-inning reliever in the Nats' bullpen? I'm quibbling, perhaps, but my incomplete WPA-type stats suggest that Stammen is the man.

EDIT: 'best available', would sort my quibble out.
   29. Zipperholes Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:08 PM (#4119162)
I don't know about that. (1) he was gonna lose the platoon advantage one way or the other.
Yes, he had R-L-R-L. I don't know each hitter's splits. But generally speaking I think it's better to have the advantage against the guy most able to knock the ball out of the park.
(2) at some point in a extra-inning game (and dependent on how rested the pen is) you've got to shift into multi-inning reliever mode. Gorz is a multi-inning reliever
That's a good point.
(3) I'm not in a position to say whether the other relievers were tired, whether "no pressure kid, just Matt Kemp with the game on the line" is a good way to start a kid's career and what the proper talent ranking is among the relievers left.
I don't know the ranking either, but Stammen and Perry are both veterans. I don't know who Mattheus is.
   30. Zipperholes Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:16 PM (#4119174)
Don't the Nationals have a LOOGY? If Gorzelanny is your multi-inning guy, he should've been saved for extra innings and the LOOGY used for Gwynn in the 9th.
   31. Forsch 10 From Navarone (Dayn) Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:24 PM (#4119186)
And absolutely nobody saw this coming; Kemp was just a sixth round draft pick.

As a 20-year-old, he hit 27 out in 109 games in the Florida State League.

In a way, I feel sorry for you because of your diseased inability to enjoy baseball.
   32. Lassus Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:34 PM (#4119198)
And absolutely nobody saw this coming; Kemp was just a sixth round draft pick.

I'll echo #23, this was hilarious.
   33. fra paolo Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:39 PM (#4119208)
If Gorzelanny is your multi-inning guy, he should've been saved for extra innings and the LOOGY used for Gwynn in the 9th.

I think Burnett might qualify as the LOOGY, and Johnson states he'd pitched the two previous days.
   34. nick swisher hygiene Posted: April 29, 2012 at 04:49 PM (#4119222)
18--naah, you didn't hit a nerve; lots of people here think you're a dick and a bore, that's all.

of course, IRL you could spend most of your time volunteering to nurse injured puppies back to health. if so, please accept my admiration and respect!
   35. Sleepy supports unauthorized rambling Posted: April 29, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4119381)
I went to this game specifically to see Harper's debut, and Strasburg, since I've never seen him pitch, and was treated to a wonderful pitcher's duel and extra innings. The comeback in the 9th was fantastic, and the walk-off home run was amazing. One of the best spur-of-the moment decisions I've made recently.

Unfortunately, NOTHING has changed about the parking situation in the last year. Though I was within a mile of dodger stadium over an hour before game time, I still missed Harper's first PA (in the second inning!). This is amazingly unacceptable- there are at least a dozen "easy fixes" that could be done to vastly improve the situation.

Also, whatever parking lot security gains were made last year are gone now. I wandered around for about a half hour just to check things out (OK, I forgot where I parked) and didn't see a single security type visible in the parking lot after the game. The only visible security was the crossing guard types, standing in the street with flashlights.
   36. Sunday silence Posted: April 29, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4119386)
wow that parking thing is bad. That's the kind of thing that would make me never go back.
   37. bobm Posted: April 29, 2012 at 08:34 PM (#4119397)
wow that parking thing is bad. That's the kind of thing that would make me never go back.

If only Frank McCourt had known anything about parking lots ...
   38. phredbird Posted: April 29, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4119484)
Unfortunately, NOTHING has changed about the parking situation in the last year. Though I was within a mile of dodger stadium over an hour before game time, I still missed Harper's first PA (in the second inning!). This is amazingly unacceptable- there are at least a dozen "easy fixes" that could be done to vastly improve the situation.


it was pretty jammed up right at the stadium when i got there, but it was moving. i left from the wilshire area at quarter to 5 and got in my seat by 5:30, so it wasn't too bad. where were you coming from? i took beverly to silver lake, then slid over to sunset. the traffic was not bad.

agree with you about security. not much in evidence.

sleepy, i went to the game with piehole of david wells. he lives a block from me. i sometimes get free tix. if you'd like to go to a game sometime, let me know via my btf email. piehole can vouch for me not being a secret serial murderer who lures btfers to dodger stadium.
   39. zachtoma Posted: April 30, 2012 at 01:01 AM (#4119536)
I like to go early and park for free on the side of Academy just outside the gate. Then I walk in and catch batting practice, and usually manage to stay at field level for the game even if that's not what my tickets say.
   40. Ron J Posted: April 30, 2012 at 02:51 AM (#4119559)
piehole can vouch for me not being a secret serial murderer who lures btfers to dodger stadium


Isn't that exactly how a team of secret serial murderers who lures btfers to dodger stadium would operate? Each vouches for the other.

   41. Lassus Posted: April 30, 2012 at 07:06 AM (#4119570)
piehole can vouch for me not being a secret serial murderer who lures btfers to dodger stadium.

I dunno, following up on Ron J, your capital-less entries have a little bit of the SE7EN John-Doe-journals feel to them.
   42. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: April 30, 2012 at 07:34 AM (#4119572)
What's in the batter's box? What's in the batter's box? What's in the f-cking batter's box?
   43. Russ Posted: April 30, 2012 at 10:24 AM (#4119627)
I think Burnett might qualify as the LOOGY, and Johnson states he'd pitched the two previous days.


I'm pretty sure if you're collecting former Pirate starting pitching prospects to fill in holes in your bullpen, in-game bullpen management is not your biggest problem.
   44. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole) Posted: April 30, 2012 at 12:03 PM (#4119748)
sleepy, i went to the game with piehole of david wells. he lives a block from me. i sometimes get free tix. if you'd like to go to a game sometime, let me know via my btf email. piehole can vouch for me not being a secret serial murderer who lures btfers to dodger stadium.


Sleepy, there is such a thing as free lunch. phredbird is indeed a gentleman and a scholar. The game was a real treat. Mrs. Piehole and I are still talking about the game two days later. Great seats and phredbird and Mrs phredbird are a great pair to hang out with.

For Nats fans: is this what Davey does with relievers, just leaves them out there to blow up? There was no one warming in the bullpen when H-Rod was blowing up in the 9th. In fact, I think it looked a little like the bullpen guys were caged tigers and pissed that they couldn't get into the game.
   45. The Mohole* of David Wells (* - Piehole) Posted: April 30, 2012 at 12:06 PM (#4119752)
Isn't that exactly how a team of secret serial murderers who lures btfers to dodger stadium would operate? Each vouches for the other.


Listen, we've merely been implicated in a number of secret serial killings, never convicted.
   46. Crispix Attacks 2: Swag Airlines Posted: April 30, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4119821)
I'm pretty sure if you're collecting former Pirate starting pitching prospects to fill in holes in your bullpen, in-game bullpen management is not your biggest problem.

If the Dodgers followed your advice they would never have given a job to Ronald Belisario!
   47. phredbird Posted: April 30, 2012 at 01:00 PM (#4119823)
Isn't that exactly how a team of secret serial murderers who lures btfers to dodger stadium would operate? Each vouches for the other.


i don't know what you're talking about and by the way we're having a free barbecue at the next dodger home game come on over its in victory grove off elysian by the gate just keep to the path and look for the smoke from the fire and oh yeah free beer and stuff
   48. FancyPantsHandle glistening with foreign substance Posted: April 30, 2012 at 06:44 PM (#4120138)
piehole can vouch for me not being a secret serial murderer who lures btfers to dodger stadium.


Isn't that exactly how a team of secret serial murderers who lures btfers to dodger stadium would operate? Each vouches for the other.

Secret serial murderers use the 'code' button instead of the 'quote' button.
   49. Ron J Posted: April 30, 2012 at 09:47 PM (#4120335)
#48, well morons do it too. Hmm, tough choice.

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