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Thursday, August 07, 2014

‘King of NY’: Derek Jeter’s cleats not lacking in superlatives

Cleat Voyeur, if you will.

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The Yankees shortstop sported a new pair of cleats during Monday’s game against the Tigers at Yankee Stadium, and the shoes list nearly every incredible statistic in the career of the future Hall of Famer.

On the back, the Captain was even given another nickname — “King of NY.”

 

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   1. JRVJ Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4766199)
This is almost certainly Nike driven. Still, I would have preferred if Jeter had passed, as these cleats are a little too ostentatious.
   2. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:32 AM (#4766200)
This is sort of like finding out that at the end of the day, Mariano Rivera was just a self-aggrandizing attention-seeker with an oversized ego who believed his own press clippings and couldn't stop taking bows.

I see the sneakers don't say "couldn't go to his left" or "not as good as ARod."

Or "may have taken steroids - who knows."
   3. spike Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:39 AM (#4766206)
Such fashion. Much Captain. Wow.
   4. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4766207)
Love how MVP is in big caps and you have to squint to see 'All Star'
   5. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:40 AM (#4766208)
Cue Yankees Fans: "Why are you assuming that this was his idea? Clearly it is Nike's idea and OH MY GOD IT WOULD HAVE BEEN SO RUDE OF HIM TO SAY NO!!!!!!"
   6. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:46 AM (#4766213)
News Flash: This is 2014, not 1954. It's silly but harmless.
   7. Gamingboy Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:47 AM (#4766215)
Such fashion. Much Captain. Wow.



Jeter isn't a Shiba Inu. I'm pretty sure Shiba Inus have better range.
   8. Batman Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:51 AM (#4766220)
His most prominent accomplishment was being Michael Jordan.
   9. Lassus Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:56 AM (#4766224)
In the "SOMETHING or NOTHING" game in POI, I'm ranking this as NOTHING.
   10. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 10:57 AM (#4766228)
God I want this over.
   11. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:23 AM (#4766250)
God I want this over.

You mean the 2014 Red Sox season, I presume.

Just be thankful that no Yankee fans have brought up the mighty Xander Bogaerts, he of the 0.1 WaR.
   12. Into the Void Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:26 AM (#4766253)
Classy shoes.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:30 AM (#4766260)
coked
   14. The District Attorney Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:32 AM (#4766261)
Love how MVP is in big caps and you have to squint to see 'All Star'
Yeah, that is a tad misleading.

(It's odd that he never won the real MVP, considering that he's DEREK JETER... and considering that there are a couple of times he might have legitimately deserved it. It's very strange, but I think he is underrated as a "peak" player, while simultaneously being overrated as a "career" player and as a human being.)

Ray Lewis had very similar shoes for his last Super Bowl. Didn't love that either! (He did at least have the excuse of it being the Super Bowl.)
   15. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:36 AM (#4766264)
And let's not sleep on 2 being used as the N in CAPTAI2. At least with RE2PECT both 2 and S have (sexy) curves. CAPTAI2 is just gratuitous.
   16. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:48 AM (#4766272)
And let's not sleep on 2 being used as the N in CAPTAI2. At least with RE2PECT both 2 and S have (sexy) curves. CAPTAI2 is just gratuitous.

I guarantee that these shoes will wind up as exhibits in the next "Who Really Killed JFK?" book.
   17. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:56 AM (#4766284)
(He did at least have the excuse of it being the Super Bowl.)


And that he was Ray Lewis, so nobody expected any better from him.
   18. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:00 PM (#4766289)
Compared to complicity in a murder plot, that was probably the moral high point of Ray Lewis' life.
   19. The District Attorney Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4766302)
I should clarify that Ray Lewis's shoes described Ray Lewis's own achievements, not that he won five World Series and was the King of New York.

Aww, hell, here.
   20. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:22 PM (#4766304)

(It's odd that he never won the real MVP, considering that he's DEREK JETER... and considering that there are a couple of times he might have legitimately deserved it. It's very strange, but I think he is underrated as a "peak" player, while simultaneously being overrated as a "career" player and as a human being.)


What year should he have won the MVP? '98 he was not as good as A-Rod, '99 was Jeter's best year, but Pedro Martinez pretty clearly should have been awarded the MVP, 2009 Mauer was legit, 2006 was a weaker crop, I guess Jetes could have won here, but he certainly wasn't robbed or anything.

For all his offense, Jeter's D really does pull him down when you look at peak years. I don't see the underrated peak you do, especially considering the other SS peaks (Garciaparra, A-Rod, Tejada, Rollins) that were better or close to Jeter's.
   21. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:24 PM (#4766306)
I should clarify that Ray Lewis's shoes described Ray Lewis's own achievements, not that he won five World Series and was the King of New York.

What a jerk! If he had any class he'd have worn shoes celebrating Derek Jeter's career.
   22. The Chronicles of Reddick Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:27 PM (#4766311)
So apparently he won some sort of dunk contest as well?
   23. A Fatty Cow That Need Two Seats Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:28 PM (#4766312)
And Ray's achievements were described on the sole of the sneaker

Edit: Lewis, not BBTF's RDP
   24. bigglou115 Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:43 PM (#4766333)
@20 I believe the point was, given that he's Jeter it's surprising he never nabbed one when he was in the mix of top players, and there were certainly years were he wouldn't have been a terrible pick.

Edit: also, I want my accomplishments printed on something I wear, but I might just get depressed.
   25. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:47 PM (#4766335)
Does Julio Franco also have shoes that say "All-Star MVP" on them? If not, why not? (Answer in complete sentences.)
   26. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:50 PM (#4766340)
Jeter will fall just shy of 2,000 runs. He needs 4 SB for 400. He of course got his 3,000 hits, 1,000 walks, .300 BA, .800 OPS.

125 TB would give him 5,000 but since he only has 136 TB thus far as his power is gone that's out of reach.
   27. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:52 PM (#4766344)
Re Julio Franco... Anyone have a good guess as to why *he* is the hitter who ended up playing in the majors until he was 48, in a MLB career spanning 26 years? First PA in 1982 and last PA in 2007. That's really wild.
   28. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:53 PM (#4766345)
And Ray's achievements were described on the sole of the sneaker

Edit: Lewis, not BBTF's RDP


Do we know this for sure?
   29. bigglou115 Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:54 PM (#4766346)
@27 Inertia? By all accounts he took very good care of himself. He had the physical makeup of a man decades younger. So he probably just held on until he was 43-44 purely on that and statesmanship. After that, I imagine it was a lot of "who wants to be the last team he plays for"?
   30. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:55 PM (#4766347)
Edit: also, I want my accomplishments printed on something I wear, but I might just get depressed.


I suppose I could write "Has lots of comic books & music," "types pretty fast" & "watches lots of horror movies" on my shoes in magic marker.

Yeah. Depressing.
   31. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 12:56 PM (#4766351)
Similar batters to Jeter:

1.Craig Biggio (823)
2.Paul Molitor (805) *
3.Roberto Alomar (789) *
4.Robin Yount (786) *
5.Charlie Gehringer (756) *
6.Johnny Damon (729)
7.Ivan Rodriguez (723)
8.Joe Morgan (723) *
9.Ted Simmons (718)
10.Frankie Frisch (716)


Similar batters through age 39:


1.Craig Biggio (818)
2.Paul Molitor (764) *
3.Charlie Gehringer (756) *
4.Cal Ripken (730) *
5.Ivan Rodriguez (723)
6.Pete Rose (713)
7.Joe Morgan (706) *
8.Eddie Collins (704) *
9.Miguel Tejada (698)
10.George Brett (696) *

   32. OsunaSakata Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4766355)
2006 was a weaker crop, I guess Jetes could have won here, but he certainly wasn't robbed or anything.


Seriously, Jeter was robbed in 2006. Morneau won because he had the most RBIs. Mauer, a catcher on the same team would also have been a great MVP pick. It's like the writers give only lip service to important fielding positions.

   33. Hysterical & Useless Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4766356)
Caveats 1st:

Not a Yankee fan.
Derek Jeter has had a fine career and will deservedly be elected to the Hall of Fame.

That said, everything about the 2014 Derek Jeter Retirement Extravaganza is Exhibit A in the media-driven grade inflation which has ballooned over the last 40 years. Long long ago, most guys in MLB were ballplayers; the very very best--Mantle, Mays, Musial, Williams--were Stars. Then along came Reggie (who, good as he was, was nowhere near the class of Mays or Mantle) declaring himself a SuperStar. Now, everybody is at least a STAR, if you last more than a couple of week you're a SuperStar, and if you actually put together a worthy career, well, you'll really be useful for selling a lot of tacky shoes.

Yes, this was obviously not Jeter's idea, I'm sure he was too flattered by the offer to say no (not faulting him for that), but jeez, once he saw the shoes I would HOPE he was at least a little bit embarrassed. It's one thing to sit on a dais and listen to someone else extolling your virtues and accomplishments, but it's an entirely different matter to give yourself a standing ovation in response.
   34. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:04 PM (#4766357)
My favorite sims list of all time is Barry Bonds because out of all the players who ever played MLB his father shows up on the list for age 27:

Most Similar by Ages
22.Tom Brunansky (978) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
23.Jay Bruce (959) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
24.Tom Brunansky (942) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
25.Jack Clark (948) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
26.Grady Sizemore (956) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
27.Bobby Bonds (938) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
28.Greg Luzinski (900) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
29.Shawn Green (915) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
30.Shawn Green (894) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
31.Duke Snider (901) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
32.Duke Snider (884) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
33.Frank Robinson (868) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
34.Ken Griffey (869) 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
35.Mickey Mantle (892) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
36.Mickey Mantle (887) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
37.Willie Mays (843) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
38.Frank Robinson (816) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
39.Willie Mays (785) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
40.Willie Mays (796) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
41.Willie Mays (779) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C
42.Willie Mays (761) * 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 C

   35. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4766363)

Seriously, Jeter was robbed in 2006. Morneau won because he had the most RBIs. Mauer, a catcher on the same team would also have been a great MVP pick. It's like the writers give only lip service to important fielding positions.


Being better than an undeserving winner does not equal robbery. Jeter is one of many guys who were better than Morneau in 2006, and perhaps the most obvious one, but it's not like he was clearly the best player in the AL. In fact, given his fielding limitations, it's almost certain he wasn't.

   36. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:21 PM (#4766371)

Being better than an undeserving winner does not equal robbery. Jeter is one of many guys who were better than Morneau in 2006, and perhaps the most obvious one, but it's not like he was clearly the best player in the AL. In fact, given his fielding limitations, it's almost certain he wasn't.


Grady Sizemore and Vernon Wells had very similar offensive years (.907, .899, .900 Size/Wells/Jeter OPS numbers) and they both were league average or better on defense as center fielders. Ortiz and Hafner were both much better offensively, but DH's. Johan Santana also had a very good case for MVP. Morneau obviously was a shitty pick.
   37. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:27 PM (#4766379)
Tom Brunansky, what could have been.
   38. The District Attorney Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:29 PM (#4766383)
And Ray's achievements were described on the sole of the sneaker

Edit: Lewis, not BBTF's RDP
I have all of RDP's good posts inscribed on the soles of my sneakers.


I believe the point was, given that he's Jeter it's surprising he never nabbed one when he was in the mix of top players, and there were certainly years were he wouldn't have been a terrible pick.
Correct.
   39. Repoz Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:46 PM (#4766410)
If Jeter doesn't hit .285 the rest of the way he falls out of the top-100 in (OH,NO!) Batting Average.

Rip Radcliff for the win.
   40. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 01:59 PM (#4766426)
I believe the point was, given that he's Jeter it's surprising he never nabbed one when he was in the mix of top players, and there were certainly years were he wouldn't have been a terrible pick.

Correct.


I agree with you on the MVP thing, it wouldn't have surprised me at all if he got a 'career' MVP award in 2006, but I don't see the underrated peak thing. Jeter was just really, really consistently good, he's a top level compiler.
   41. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4766452)
I agree with you on the MVP thing, it wouldn't have surprised me at all if he got a 'career' MVP award in 2006, but I don't see the underrated peak thing. Jeter was just really, really consistently good, he's a top level compiler.


Right, I made the point a couple weeks ago -- and obviously I think Jeter is a solid and deserving HOFer -- that it was sort of disappointing that he didn't have more seasons at the 150 OPS+ level.

Mainly he just didn't quite have the power for it. Obviously there are other ways to get there, but while he had several really good BA and OBP years (OBPs over .400) he only had the one .500 SLG year.
   42. Hank G. Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:35 PM (#4766455)
Because Jeter has been going under the radar and his accomplishments not properly noted.
   43. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:37 PM (#4766458)
he only had the one .500 SLG year.


Interesting that it happened the year after the big home run chase, after andro was found in McGwire locker, and everyone started to talk about PEDs a bit more.

Interesting, indeed.

/poke the bear
   44. OsunaSakata Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:39 PM (#4766459)
Being better than an undeserving winner does not equal robbery.


That's a good definition to me. Does it hurt Jeter less just because there were other "victims" of the injustice? Does it have to deny someone the Hall of Fame like 1987 is hurting Alan Trammell?
   45. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:42 PM (#4766464)
Is it possible that he's required to wear the shoes by his contract?
   46. PreservedFish Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:43 PM (#4766465)
Does it hurt Jeter less just because there were other "victims" of the injustice?


Yes. Of course.
   47. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:46 PM (#4766471)

That's a good definition to me. Does it hurt Jeter less just because there were other "victims" of the injustice? Does it have to deny someone the Hall of Fame like 1987 is hurting Alan Trammell?


Being robbed of the MVP means you clearly deserved it. Jeter never clearly deserved an MVP. Top 5 a few times for sure, but never clearly the best or most valuable player.
   48. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 07, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4766487)
That's a good definition to me. Does it hurt Jeter less just because there were other "victims" of the injustice? Does it have to deny someone the Hall of Fame like 1987 is hurting Alan Trammell?


Well, it's fair to call Morneau's winning the award an injustice or travesty or robbery. But Jeter, specifically, wasn't robbed, as you stated.

Pedro in 1999 was robbed. Mike Trout in 2012-13 was robbed. In 2006, the voters screwed up (and screwed over any number of more deserving candidates). But none can really claim to have gotten robbed, since the award didn't rightfully belong to any individual.

Edit: Coke to jacksone.
   49. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4766494)
Well, it's fair to call Morneau's winning the award an injustice or travesty or robbery. But Jeter, specifically, wasn't robbed, as you stated.


He sort of was. Was it as egregious? No, since there were several other deserving candidates. But Morneau's selection robbed a bunch of players; Jeter is part of that.

Pedro in 1999 was robbed. Mike Trout in 2012-13 was robbed. In 2006, the voters screwed up (and screwed over any number of more deserving candidates). But none can really claim to have gotten robbed, since the award didn't rightfully belong to any individual.


But we know who it rightfully didn't belong to: Morneau.
   50. valuearbitrageur Posted: August 07, 2014 at 05:22 PM (#4766635)
Not sure why panties are bunched over this. Derek Jeter was the 2000 All-star game MVP and World Series MVP., so it should be on both shoes.

As far as the lettering on the other side of the shoe reading "Baseball's All Time Home Run Champion", that's simply a factual reference to his dating prowess and efficiency, as is the "Mr. Gift Basket" nickname below it.

   51. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 05:29 PM (#4766639)
God I want this over.

You mean the 2014 Red Sox season, I presume.

Just be thankful that no Yankee fans have brought up the mighty Xander Bogaerts, he of the 0.1 WaR.


What? I'm an Angel fan; I don't have a clue what your talking about. I am just terribly tired if this stupid dog and pony show about King Jetes. It's obnoxious. And those shoes are awful.
   52. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: August 07, 2014 at 05:45 PM (#4766643)
Jeter is one of many guys who were better than Morneau in 2006, and perhaps the most obvious one, but it's not like he was clearly the best player in the AL. In fact, given his fielding limitations, it's almost certain he wasn't.

The 2006 Gold Glove Awards say otherwise!
   53. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 05:46 PM (#4766644)
I doubt it's news that Derek Jeter has a big ego.

Couldn't the designers have come up with something even a little bit less ugly? I mean, seriously - how do you #### up black-and-silver?
   54. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 05:53 PM (#4766650)
Couldn't the designers have come up with something even a little bit less ugly? I mean, seriously - how do you #### up black-and-silver?


By puking all over it with Captai2 and Re2Pect and MVP (ASG Edition)....

I so totally hope the Yanks take a nosedive the rest of the year so that Buck and FoxSports can't hand job him throughout the playoffs.
   55. 6 - 4 - 3 Posted: August 07, 2014 at 05:54 PM (#4766653)
Hunter Pence proudly wears a pair of Jeter's cleats.
   56. BDC Posted: August 07, 2014 at 06:23 PM (#4766666)
Julio Franco... Anyone have a good guess as to why *he* is the hitter who ended up playing in the majors until he was 48

Franco had a pretty severe knee injury in 1992, the year he turned 34. Normally that would not be a good thing, but it took him out of the middle infield and perhaps prevented him from accumulating more minor injuries that would have doomed him before age 40.

Two other second basemen who played an extremely long time but lost a season to severe injuries were Carew and Morgan. I don't know if the cases present many parallels, though. Both the others were hurt younger and didn't move off 2B right away, Morgan never.
   57. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: August 07, 2014 at 06:24 PM (#4766667)
I don't understand "CAPTAI2". It seems to me like it probably means he's the second captain? But he's the 14th Yankees captain. So... what am I missing here?
   58. bigglou115 Posted: August 07, 2014 at 06:30 PM (#4766672)
@57 the Captain is turned sideways, so the 2 looks a little like a lower case "n" with a tail.
   59. Ulysses S. Fairsmith Posted: August 07, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4766683)
Living and working near Columbus OH, I sometimes see people wearing red t-shirts with just the word "THE" in gray (along with the Nike swoosh). I had thought that was the douchiest possible item of sports clothing, but I was wrong.
   60. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4766691)
That is pretty wanky. I really have no other words to describe it....
   61. Howie Menckel Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:05 PM (#4766692)
ah, I'll be kind
   62. frannyzoo Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:18 PM (#4766698)
I'll join #60 and #61 in just saying nothing. "I'll be kind" puts it about right.
   63. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4766699)
Is it possible that he's required to wear the shoes by his contract?

Quite possibly, although Jeter might have some say over the product. Looks like this shoe is designed for the mass market and Jeter is just wearing them to kick off the marketing campaign. It's not like he's going to wear them when he gives his Farewell Address to the joint session of Congress.
   64. DanO Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4766702)
So which is tackier--the shoes, or the gift baskets?
   65. Srul Itza Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:54 PM (#4766718)
how do you #### up black-and-silver?


By letting Al Davis continue to run the team after he had clearly lost it.
   66. Srul Itza Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:56 PM (#4766719)
So which is tackier--the shoes, or the gift baskets?


Including a pair of those shoes IN the Gift Basket.
   67. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 07, 2014 at 07:59 PM (#4766722)
He's in front of the curve. I think we'll all be wearing our resumes on our shoes from now on.
   68. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 07, 2014 at 09:21 PM (#4766763)
The explanation in post 58... Yeah I didn't get it either before this. Words cannot describe how silly that is and the people who get off on it.
   69. Howie Menckel Posted: August 07, 2014 at 09:58 PM (#4766787)

really? the rest of the word is written sideways, and if you look sideways...


and this from a "genius" who scored in the bottom 15 pct on spatial relations, which is bad when at least 20 pct of the test takers are stoned or deliberately tanking to piss off their parents

   70. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 07, 2014 at 11:07 PM (#4766820)
God I want this over.

You mean the 2014 Red Sox season, I presume.

Just be thankful that no Yankee fans have brought up the mighty Xander Bogaerts, he of the 0.1 WaR.


What? I'm an Angel fan; I don't have a clue what your talking about. I am just terribly tired if this stupid dog and pony show about King Jetes. It's obnoxious. And those shoes are awful.


Sorry, but the only thing dumber than the Jeter dog and pony show are the people who seem to take it as some sort of personal offense. If you can put up with the wave, and with one ####### "Grammy Award winner" after another butchering the National Anthem every night, and with loudspeakers telling you when to cheer from the first pitch to the last, I think you can somehow manage to survive a few more weeks of silly Jeter hype.
   71. Baldrick Posted: August 08, 2014 at 03:00 AM (#4766893)
I'm incredibly irritated at people who are incredibly irritated at people who are incredibly irritated at this Jeter stuff!
   72. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: August 08, 2014 at 07:33 AM (#4766906)
Yeah, well I'll NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER NEVER let the American flag touch the ground. So there!
   73. RMc is a fine piece of cheese Posted: August 08, 2014 at 07:49 AM (#4766913)
Offensive people who take offense at offensive things offends me. And that's offensive!
   74. Howie Menckel Posted: August 08, 2014 at 11:57 AM (#4767089)

sure, no one wants to talk about defense in a Jeter thread!
   75. Moeball Posted: August 09, 2014 at 12:59 PM (#4767707)
Just from the photo above, it looks like there are 3 separate references on the shoe to Jeter's winning 5 Gold Gloves.

Really? Is this what we want people to focus on about Derek Jeter? His fielding?

Now, I suppose the average baseball writer and baseball fan really truly believes that Jeter was one of the greatest fielding shortstops ever, deserving of his defensive hardware.

But, given that even MLB has finally decided to start letting the analyticals have a vote/impact on the Gold Glove selections going forward, I can't imagine that the Derek Jeter/Michael Young type defenders are going to get many more of these awards, are they? Does this also mean we will never again see a defender this out-of-position left to play there anyways because of his bat?
   76. BDC Posted: August 09, 2014 at 01:07 PM (#4767709)
Does this also mean we will never again see a defender this out-of-position left to play there anyways because of his bat?

I guess "why not?" Of course, in a chronically lower-run environment you might favor defense – but a run is a run, and you might succeed by being contrarian and going for the bat. Hanley Ramirez is still out there, and for a winning ballclub, despite near-Jeter showings on advanced metrics over the last decade.
   77. bobm Posted: August 09, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4767738)
Spanning Multiple Seasons or entire Careers, From 1901 to 2014, Played 50% of games at SS, (requiring At least 6000 plate appearances), sorted by smallest Defensive WAR
                                                                         
Rk              Player dWAR    PA From   To   Age    G  OPS           Pos
1          Derek Jeter -9.5 12423 1995 2014 21-40 2704 .821         *6/DH
2       Shawon Dunston -2.0  6276 1985 2002 22-39 1814 .712   *6H7/8943D5
3           Jose Reyes  3.7  6431 2003 2014 20-31 1403 .778         *6/4H
4         Rich Aurilia  3.8  6278 1995 2009 23-37 1652 .762      *635H4/D
5          Roy Smalley  4.4  6595 1975 1987 22-34 1653 .740      *6D5H/43
6            Ivy Olson  5.1  6632 1911 1924 25-38 1574 .613     *645/37H9
7          Robin Yount  5.8 12249 1974 1993 18-37 2856 .772      *68D/7H3
8        Miguel Tejada  5.9  9205 1997 2013 23-39 2171 .791      *65/4HD3
9    Nomar Garciaparra  6.0  6116 1996 2009 22-35 1434 .882      *63/5HD4
10      Jhonny Peralta  6.6  6118 2003 2014 21-32 1494 .756      *65/HD37
11         Jim Fregosi  7.8  7403 1961 1978 19-36 1902 .736     *635H/D74
12      Edgar Renteria  8.1  9066 1996 2011 19-34 2152 .741       *6/H4D3
13            Jay Bell  8.6  8525 1986 2003 20-37 2063 .759      *64/H53D
14       Granny Hamner  9.0  6291 1944 1962 17-35 1531 .686       *64/H51
15       Vern Stephens  9.1  7241 1941 1955 20-34 1720 .815       *65/H79
16          Joe Sewell  9.1  8333 1920 1933 21-34 1903 .804        *65/H4
17     Alfredo Griffin  9.3  7331 1976 1993 18-35 1962 .604       *6/H4D5
18       Don Kessinger  9.7  8530 1964 1979 21-36 2078 .626       *6/4H53
19     Orlando Cabrera  9.9  8255 1997 2011 22-36 1985 .707       *64/HD5
20       Alex Gonzalez 10.1  6248 1998 2014 21-37 1609 .685        *6/H35
21         Eddie Joost 10.1  6789 1936 1955 20-39 1575 .727       *64/5H3
22          Donie Bush 10.6  8750 1908 1923 20-35 1948 .656        *6/54H
23         Maury Wills 12.0  8306 1959 1972 26-39 1942 .661        *65/H4
24        Arky Vaughan 12.0  7722 1932 1948 20-36 1817 .859       *65/H74
25             Al Dark 12.2  7833 1946 1960 24-38 1828 .744    *65/H74391
Rk              Player dWAR    PA From   To   Age    G  OPS           Pos
26       Jose Valentin 13.1  6317 1992 2007 22-37 1678 .769   *654H/78D93
27       Freddie Patek 13.3  6247 1968 1981 23-36 1650 .633     *6/H4597D
28       Jimmy Rollins 13.5  9396 2000 2014 21-35 2064 .751        *6/HD4
29        Barry Larkin 13.8  9057 1986 2004 22-40 2180 .815        *6H/4D
30      Tony Fernandez 14.2  8793 1983 2001 21-39 2158 .746       *654H/D
31    Frankie Crosetti 14.2  7268 1932 1948 21-37 1683 .695        *65/H4
32          Joe Cronin 14.2  8840 1926 1945 19-38 2124 .857      *6H/5347
33       Rafael Furcal 14.4  7237 2000 2014 22-36 1614 .748         *6/H4
34       Royce Clayton 15.7  8164 1991 2007 21-37 2108 .679        *6/H5D
35        Dick Bartell 15.7  8740 1927 1946 19-38 2016 .747        *654/H
36        Mike Bordick 16.1  6484 1990 2003 24-37 1720 .685       *64/5HD
37            Tim Foli 16.1  6573 1970 1985 19-34 1696 .593    *6/45H387D
38     Garry Templeton 16.2  8208 1976 1991 20-35 2079 .673       *6H/359
39        Leo Cardenas 16.3  7402 1960 1975 21-36 1941 .679       *6/5HD4
40          Dick Groat 17.2  8179 1952 1967 21-36 1929 .696       *6/H534
41        Chris Speier 17.4  8155 1971 1989 21-39 2260 .676       *65H4/3
42       Mickey Doolin 17.9  6593 1905 1918 25-38 1728 .585         *6/4H
43          Larry Bowa 18.7  9109 1970 1985 24-39 2247 .620         *6/H4
44          Greg Gagne 18.8  6209 1983 1997 21-35 1798 .684      *6/HD849
45        Luke Appling 19.0 10254 1930 1950 23-43 2422 .798       *6/5H43
46        Bill Russell 19.1  8021 1969 1986 20-37 2181 .648     *69H/8745
47         Ed Brinkman 20.3  6642 1961 1975 19-33 1846 .580       *6/H547
48     Bert Campaneris 20.8  9625 1964 1983 22-41 2328 .653 *6/H574D83921
49     Dave Concepcion 20.9  9641 1970 1988 22-40 2488 .679     *6H45/381
50        Honus Wagner 21.2  9640 1901 1917 27-43 2299 .853   *63/9574H81
Rk              Player dWAR    PA From   To   Age    G  OPS           Pos
51        Roy McMillan 21.6  7653 1951 1966 21-36 2092 .635        *6/H54
52       Everett Scott 21.8  6380 1914 1926 21-33 1654 .596        *6/H54
53       Alan Trammell 22.0  9376 1977 1996 19-38 2293 .767     *6/HD5478
54       Ozzie Guillen 22.5  7133 1985 2000 21-36 1993 .626     *6H/5347D
55        Billy Jurges 22.6  7013 1931 1947 23-39 1816 .660        *65/H4
56        Phil Rizzuto 22.9  6719 1941 1956 23-38 1661 .706         *6/H4
57      Travis Jackson 22.9  6680 1922 1936 18-32 1657 .770       *65/H94
58      George McBride 23.2  6241 1901 1920 20-39 1659 .544       *6/54H3
59        Lou Boudreau 23.3  7024 1938 1952 20-34 1646 .795      *6/5H324
60       Dave Bancroft 23.5  8249 1915 1930 24-39 1913 .714       *6/H457
61       Bobby Wallace 24.5  6902 1901 1918 27-44 1743 .661      *6/54H91
62        Marty Marion 25.0  6142 1940 1953 22-35 1572 .668         *6/H5
63   Roger Peckinpaugh 25.0  8381 1910 1927 19-36 2012 .672         *6/H3
64       Pee Wee Reese 25.6  9470 1940 1958 21-39 2166 .743         *65/H
65        Art Fletcher 28.3  6040 1909 1922 24-37 1533 .684        *6/54H
66        Omar Vizquel 28.4 12013 1989 2012 22-45 2968 .688    *65H/4D379
67   Rabbit Maranville 30.7 11254 1912 1935 20-43 2670 .658        *64/H5
68       Luis Aparicio 31.6 11230 1956 1973 22-39 2601 .653          *6/H
69          Joe Tinker 34.3  7153 1902 1916 21-35 1806 .661       *6/54H9
70          Cal Ripken 34.6 12883 1981 2001 20-40 3001 .788        *65/DH
71       Mark Belanger 39.4  6601 1965 1982 21-38 2016 .580        *6H/45
72         Ozzie Smith 43.4 10778 1978 1996 23-41 2573 .666          *6/H


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   78. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 09, 2014 at 03:03 PM (#4767751)
Jeter just passed Honus Wagner on the career hit list (again). Doing it once isn't easy, but twice? Quite an achievement!
   79. JE (Jason) Posted: August 09, 2014 at 05:11 PM (#4767794)
Jeter just passed Honus Wagner on the career hit list (again). Doing it once isn't easy, but twice? Quite an achievement!

Did today's official scorer at least have the decency not to wear a Jeter jersey?
   80. Ray (RDP) Posted: August 10, 2014 at 07:58 PM (#4768257)
Sort of a stark contrast, as RGIII has... cancer survivors autograph his cleats..
   81. Howie Menckel Posted: August 10, 2014 at 09:11 PM (#4768282)

not sure that's fair to Jeter, who also does good works.

but RGIII would be the more spontaneous one, I think (not that I'd stake my life on THIS being spontaneous, either, but it seems more like RGIII's personality. Jeter is the consummate pro pretty much, but I'd be surprised if he is as creative/genuine as RGIII, who to be frank also seems to be a LOT smarter. both have great parents, iirc)
   82. Lassus Posted: August 10, 2014 at 09:47 PM (#4768292)
Did today's official scorer at least have the decency not to wear a Jeter jersey?

If only the ones scoring Jeter were as accurate as Hans' scorers!
   83. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 10, 2014 at 11:58 PM (#4768328)
RGIII, who to be frank also seems to be a LOT smarter.


Well of course, he went to uni!

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