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Monday, December 03, 2012

King: Yankees, A-Rod concerned right hip is damaged

He can’t work
He can’t achieve
Send him back (George King starts doing Jon King spassy gyrations)

UPDATE: Yankees’ A-Rod likely to have second hip surgery, miss start of season

The Yankees and Alex Rodriguez are concerned the third baseman’s surgically repaired right hip is damaged.

According to a person with knowledge of the situation, Rodriguez recently visited Dr. Marc Phillippon in Colorado after experiencing tightness in the hip that Phillippon operated on in 2009.

“It’s an issue,’’ the person said. “A big issue.’’

Earlier in the day at a Heights and Lights event in Stamford, CT., GM Brian Cashman mentioned Rodriguez’ hip when asked what the third baseman was doing since the Tigers swept the Yankees in the ALCS.

”He is always going to have hip issues to deal with. That’s just part of his winter program,’’ Cashman said.

Cashman didn’t return messages seeking further explanation following the event.

... And at 36 (37 in late July) you have to wonder what a second hip operation in four years will mean to the rest of Rodriguez’ career.

He has five years and $114 million remaining on a 10-year, $275 million deal.

Repoz Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:05 AM | 81 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Gonfalon B. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:45 AM (#4315083)
They shoot centaurs, don't they?
   2. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:53 AM (#4315089)
Bravo, #1.
   3. Honkie Kong Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4315090)
People like ARod and Albert Belle should stop fleecing these mid market teams out of money with their degenerative hips
   4. Cris E Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:55 AM (#4315092)
Bo Jackson too.
   5. bunyon Posted: December 03, 2012 at 10:57 AM (#4315095)
I had a good friend who always had trouble with hips.

She never had that trouble again after having her first child.
   6. Repoz Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:05 AM (#4315099)
Joel Sherman tweets...

"To repeat, can report exclusively A-Rod almost certainly needs more hip surgery, will miss piece of '13, this is not a retirement."
   7. SG Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:13 AM (#4315109)
Is saying 'almost certainly' worthy of being labeled as exclusive reporting? Basically he's exclusively reporting something that may or may not happen. Whoop de damn doo.
   8. KronicFatigue Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:23 AM (#4315116)
[7] He might have exclusive knowledge that A-Rod has met with a doctor and that doctor has not only recommended surgery but that the doctor says that surgery is the only option provided it doesn't heal on its own in the next x amount of time, which he has absolutely no expectation of happening. WHY it's "almost" and not "absolutely" is what gives the report the value. If Sherman thinks he may have overheard something, and that's why he's hedging, that's a problem. But there are plenty of valid reasons why "almost certainly" can be very valuable and exclusive news.
   9. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:28 AM (#4315124)
I came here ONLY to make a centaur joke, but #1 is so good that I will refrain from diminishing this thread with a less funny version of the same joke.

Nicely played....
   10. Gamingboy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:32 AM (#4315130)
On the bright side, this means he won't have to decide whether he's American or Dominican this year.
   11. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:37 AM (#4315132)
And at 36 (37 in late July)


He turned 37 this year.
   12. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:40 AM (#4315137)
On the bright side, this means he won't have to decide whether he's American or Dominican this year.

With the way MLB handles nationality for this thing, I fully expect A-Rod to be suiting up for Spain or the Houyhnhms one day.
   13. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4315156)

"To repeat, can report exclusively A-Rod almost certainly needs more hip surgery, will miss piece of '13, this is not a retirement."


It's that last part that is super interesting. What if A-Rod is so damaged that he has to retire by, say, 2015?
   14. RJ in TO Posted: December 03, 2012 at 11:59 AM (#4315164)
What if A-Rod is so damaged that he has to retire by, say, 2015?

The Yankees cheer loudly about getting out from under A-Rod's contract, and then sign some random free agent to a stupidly huge long-term deal.
   15. RJ in TO Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:01 PM (#4315166)
Assuming, of course, that A-Rod doesn't decide to take the Albert Belle route.
   16. GregD Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:04 PM (#4315169)
If a team buys out a retiree by agreeing to defer money, does that still count against the reported salary? If A-Rod really misses most of this year, I could imagine the Yankees offering him a sweet deferred buyout to eliminate his 2014 salary from the books.
   17. Non-Youkilidian Geometry Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4315173)
Assuming, of course, that A-Rod doesn't decide to take the Albert Belle route.


I'm so sick of all these ballplayers like A-Rod and Albert Belle with all their degenerative hip problems and retirement and everything.
   18. willcarrolldoesnotsuk Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:12 PM (#4315178)
What if A-Rod is so damaged that he has to retire by, say, 2015?
The Yankees cheer loudly about getting out from under A-Rod's contract
That would be extremely magnanimous of A-Rod. The Yankees owe him that money regardless of whether he's capable of playing or not.
   19. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4315181)
I don't wish anyone ill. But this seems fitting. To me, this player is the poster boy for the steroid era. If only the '09 playoffs were different.
   20. KT's Pot Arb Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:15 PM (#4315182)
My guess is this leads more NYY fans to demand A-Rod be traded.
   21. Randy Jones Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:16 PM (#4315184)
That would be extremely magnanimous of A-Rod. The Yankees owe him that money regardless of whether he's capable of playing or not.

If A-Rod is actually so injured that he can't play, he won't have to retire. He would get paid and insurance would cover it for the Yankees.


I don't wish anyone ill. But this seems fitting. To me, this player is the poster boy for the steroid era. If only the '09 playoffs were different.

Let me translate this:
I don't wish anyone ill, except right now, when I am wishing A-Rod great ill.
   22. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:21 PM (#4315195)
That would be extremely magnanimous of A-Rod. The Yankees owe him that money regardless of whether he's capable of playing or not.


Well paying Rodriguez so much money does give the Yankees an unfair advantage.
   23. John Northey Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4315211)
Many teams stopped doing the insurance thing on contracts due to the fees going through the roof due to the high risk.

Of course, for the Yankees there are advantages of A-Rod getting paid for nothing - no $6 mil bonus for each of HR 660, 714, 755, 762 and 763. Just 13 away from the first of those so any health and that is $6 mil down the tubes. 54 more after that though... used to be a sure thing but now?
   24. Don Geovany Soto (chris h.) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 12:40 PM (#4315213)
#1 is awesome. Gonfalon always brings the funny.
   25. Swoboda is freedom Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:08 PM (#4315249)
I came here ONLY to make a centaur joke, but #1 is so good that I will refrain from diminishing this thread with a less funny version of the same joke.

Is is a tragedy that there is so much hip dysplasia in centaurs. There is so much in breeding. I blame the large commercial breeders.
   26. RJ in TO Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:18 PM (#4315258)
If A-Rod is actually so injured that he can't play, he won't have to retire. He would get paid and insurance would cover it for the Yankees.

Assuming they have insurance on that contract.
   27. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:22 PM (#4315265)
So, now a C, 3B and RF are all needed.
   28. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4315277)
What evidence is there that he will retire or that this is a career-threatening injury?
   29. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:39 PM (#4315291)
Translation: We reap what we sow.
   30. AROM Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:43 PM (#4315299)
"I don't wish anyone ill. But this seems fitting. To me, this player is the poster boy for the steroid era. If only the '09 playoffs were different."

A-Rod is pretty far down the list of steroid poster boys to me. Better candidates are:

1. Jose Canseco, for being the first to be prominantly identified with steroids, and the books
2. Barry Bonds, for rising to the greatest heights with steroid assistance

But my #1 guy has to be Manny Ramirez. For being dumb enough to be caught twice, or just too oblivious to stop.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:45 PM (#4315302)
1) he's 37
2) he hasn't played 140 games in a season since 2007 and just 221 the last 2 years
3) WAR 3 years prior to surgery -- 20. WAR 3 years after surgery -- about 10

A serious injury, perhaps especially a re-injury, at age 37 is pretty much by definition career-threatening.
   32. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:47 PM (#4315308)
What evidence is there that...this is a career-threatening injury


He's 37 years old and having significant hip surgery. At that age a surgery that is going to cost you six months, a second surgery on that area, has to be considered a potentially career-threatening injury. Mike Lowell was 34 when he had hip surgery and he was never the same.
   33. PepTech Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:53 PM (#4315323)
ESPN now saying it's the other hip, out for six months.
   34. Ray (RDP) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:54 PM (#4315326)
News just broke that he will have surgery and all we know is that it's a potentially torn labrum in the left hip so I don't know how you medical professionals here are diagnosing him and then comparing his injury to other injuries. Just because the word "hip" is present doesn't mean you know how his injury compares to Belle/Lowell/whoever. (A "re-injury," Walt? A "second surgery in that area," Jose? No. That is not the report.)
   35. Barnaby Jones Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:55 PM (#4315327)
I fully expect A-Rod to be suiting up for Spain or the Houyhnhms one day.


This did not get the credit it deserved.
   36. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:57 PM (#4315333)
You're right, I don't know for certain which is why I'm not saying "Alex Rodriguez' career is in major trouble and I guarantee he's cooked." I think for the reasons noted by Walt and I in 31 and 32 it's fair to question the impact of this though obviously I made a bad assumption about which hip.

When old players suffer significant injuries it almost has to be a concern that it will threaten their productive career.
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: December 03, 2012 at 01:59 PM (#4315337)
News just broke that he will have surgery and all we know is that it's a potentially torn labrum in the left hip so I don't know how you medical professionals here are diagnosing him and then comparing his injury to other injuries. Just because the word "hip" is present doesn't mean you know how his injury compares to Belle/Lowell/whoever.


Well, no one's done any of that. But other than that, you're spot on.

He's 37, he's got a bad hip. It's certainly possible that this will be career threatening, and some folks speculated on what would happen if it were.

Then you came in to rush to refute the non-existent claim. And here we are.
   38. catomi01 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:00 PM (#4315339)
So, now a C, 3B and RF are all needed.


The yankees love nunez...i would assume an offseason of winterball at 3B is in store for him, and very likely he opens the season there....if they can find this year's version of eric chavez to pick up the slack for when they realize last years slash line of .292/.330/.393 is probably his upside, then I'm ok with that. Catcher and Rf...you're guess is as good as mine right now.
   39. Nasty Nate Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:10 PM (#4315348)
This is not meant to be the cliched Jeter-baiting but is actually a sincere question: Is there any possibility that they have Jeter move to 3B this year?
   40. Gamingboy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:19 PM (#4315362)
I fully expect A-Rod to be suiting up for Spain or the Houyhnhms one day.



This did not get the credit it deserved.


It just dawned on me what that meant. I laughed.
   41. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:24 PM (#4315370)
@30 - I grant you Manny is a good choice for poster boy, but I'll stick with the Centaur who's been juicing since Junior High.
   42. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:28 PM (#4315377)
He turned 37 this year.


Which is to say 4, in centaur years.
   43. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4315378)
This is not meant to be the cliched Jeter-baiting but is actually a sincere question: Is there any possibility that they have Jeter move to 3B this year?


I doubt it. It's not like Jeter is keeping some stud in the minors by playing short.

Semi-related, Harold Reynolds and Derek Jeter had their picture taken yesterday and Cap'n Jetes looks much less like Rich Garces in this particular photo.
   44. catomi01 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:47 PM (#4315417)
This is not meant to be the cliched Jeter-baiting but is actually a sincere question: Is there any possibility that they have Jeter move to 3B this year?


if there was a real alternative out there, I would say Jeter to 3B, arod to DH to try and stay healthy makes sense...but as 43 points out, who is out there for this to work? anyone worth having is going to cost an arm and a leg to get...and anything "freely" available is probably not worth the effort...if the talk-radio rumors of Giancarlo Stanton to the yankees were true, then it would be logical to try and get Yunel Escobar in the same deal...but Yunel on his own doesn't seem like a huge upgrade for the upheaval the media/fans would create.

2nd thing to consider is I'm not sure Jeter to 3rd will result in a good 3B...back when Arod was acquired, my personal preference was Jeter to the CF (with Bernie to LF)...as he had the speed to handle the OF, a good arm, and has always been strong going back on pop-ups...probably couldn't handle CF anymore, and the bat won't translate to LF...so basically you have 3B, 2B or DH...unless you want to try cano at SS or 3B, neither of the infield spots work.

Simplest solution is find good all-around guy who can handle 3B (in tandem with nunez) until Arod is back...then have the 4 of them cover SS/3B/DH 5-6 days a week...with the remaining DH days going to Tex, Cano, Granderson, RF, etc.
   45. catomi01 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:49 PM (#4315423)
The other thing to consider is that Arod, when healthy has actually been a pretty good defensive 3B the past few years...unless he is completely broken down, he is probably their best bet to help put a solid defense on the field...nunez is a butcher, and I don't think Jeter would be anything better than below average there...chavez seemed OK, but is just as likely, if not more so, to end up injured if he has to play more than 3-4 days a week.
   46. JJ1986 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 02:50 PM (#4315425)
I think Stephen Drew would be the target.
   47. catomi01 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:02 PM (#4315450)
That's why I've heard too...but everything I'm seeing so far is drew at 3B, jeter at SS...i think I'd rather Drew at SS, Chavez/Nunez at 3B and jeter at DH most of the time.
   48. catomi01 Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:07 PM (#4315460)
unless they are willing to make a trade - but who's out there? I assume Tulo isn't going anywhere...JJ hardy would be a good fit (and realistic if it weren't inter-division with Machado coming along)...escobar I could see...other than Tulo - none of those (including Drew) are long term solutions, which is what the yankees are going to need sooner rather than later...cano might actually be the best shortstop in the organization right now...and he hasn't played a game there since 2003 (when he also caught in one game for some reason - http://www.baseball-reference.com/minors/player.cgi?id=cano--001rob)
   49. Gamingboy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4315488)
MLB Network is about to show a Cashman news conference about A-Rod.
   50. Dan Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4315499)
After the "E5 Nuñez" disaster in 2011 the Yankees basically shifted Nuñez back to SS full time in AAA last year. He probably fills in at SS a bunch to open the year while Jeter DHs as he's coming off of the ankle surgery. Then when ARod comes back in May or June he probably takes most of the DH ABs with Jeter playing more SS and Nunez riding the pine. They'll probably need someone who can basically be a full time third baseman. Chavez as part of a platoon seems like the obvious solution, with someone like Jayson Nix or Jeff Keppinger on the short end.
   51. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:35 PM (#4315500)
If...if...if

he told Girardi that his hip was barkin' and he didn't think he'd be effective at the plate or if Girardi knew another way, would that change the perception of the way he was used in the playoffs?
   52. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:36 PM (#4315502)
The headline does not say whether it is the right front hip or the right back hip.
   53. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:42 PM (#4315515)
"For so long, I have prayed for this. Now I am sorry."
"So is he."
   54. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4315519)
I fully expect A-Rod to be suiting up for Spain or the Houyhnhms one day.

This did not get the credit it deserved.


I had to Google that 2nd one and dammit, if I didn't nearly choke on my lunch when the Google images popped up at the top of my browser....

   55. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: December 03, 2012 at 03:51 PM (#4315526)
The headline does not say whether it is the right front hip or the right back hip.


If it's the right back one that would be a problem since he already had a CCL tear in that stifle joint and had to have a ligament transplanted from his fetlock.
   56. McCoy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4315541)
Ian Stewart is available.
   57. Rickey! On a blog from 1998. With the candlestick. Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:10 PM (#4315552)
What would the Yankees part with for Juan Francisco. (Francisco would hit 6000 HRs a year in NYS.)
   58. SG Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:22 PM (#4315566)
After the "E5 Nuñez" disaster in 2011 the Yankees basically shifted Nuñez back to SS full time in AAA last year.


Where injuries limited him to 35 games. Of course, it was probably a dumb risk to think they could train Nunez to become a utilityman at the MLB level in the first place.

That being said, Nuñez's problem wasn't being asked to play 3B and not SS. His problem was he kept making errors no matter where they put him. He have made 14 errors in 386 innings at SS and 6 errors in 285 innings at 3B in 2011. He sure didn't seem to be any more comfortable at SS.
   59. Nasty Nate Posted: December 03, 2012 at 04:35 PM (#4315584)
I wouldn't be shocked if they got Youkilis on a 1-year deal.
   60. The District Attorney Posted: December 03, 2012 at 05:35 PM (#4315652)
Is there any possibility that they have Jeter move to 3B this year?
If current trends continue, he shouldn't have any trouble filling both positions.
   61. McCoy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 05:37 PM (#4315653)
Right about now I'm betting the Cubs had wished they had signed Aramis Ramirez. I'm thinking the Yankees would pay handsomely for Aramis at this point in time.
   62. Suff Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:25 PM (#4315719)
It seems like guys who start their careers early don't also age well. I wonder if someone here has seen or done some research on this. I only have people I think of by recollection.

You, of course, have the pitchers like Dwight Gooden and Bret Saberhagen and Bob Feller, but also hitters like Ken Griffey Jr, Jose Guillen (not that he was ever all that good, but he was an old man by 34). I don't know for sure.

Maybe it means Adrian Beltre is nearing a cliff. And maybe that doesn't bode well for Bryce Harper's and Mike Trout's numbers in 2030.
   63. Moe Greene Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:28 PM (#4315728)
What would the Yankees part with for Juan Francisco. (Francisco would hit 6000 HRs a year in NYS.)

Francisco would also strike out 6000 times... (although that has nothing to do with NYS)
   64. bunyon Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:34 PM (#4315735)
Forget the hip, being 37 is career threatening enough.
   65. McCoy Posted: December 03, 2012 at 06:44 PM (#4315752)
It seems like guys who start their careers early don't also age well.

Part of that is selection bias. Players who start their careers late have to be pretty darn good from the moment they enter the majors while young players can be more "athletic" and are allowed to develop. If I had to guess I think it would have to do with the old James old player skills vs young players skills. Then we have the typical guys who didn't debut young or old and since they have such a huge amount of players we don't notice anything unusual when a player retires or lasts.

Overall I don't think any group really ages well. Most groups when they enter their 30's decline and most players hit the wall in their mid 30's regardless of when they started playing in the majors.
   66. Walt Davis Posted: December 04, 2012 at 07:31 AM (#4316181)
(A "re-injury," Walt?

From the ####### excerpt at the top of this page ...

The Yankees and Alex Rodriguez are concerned the third baseman’s surgically repaired right hip is damaged.

Rodriguez recently visited Dr. Marc Phillippon in Colorado after experiencing tightness in the hip that Phillippon operated on in 2009.

That two posts after mine somebody chimed in with a report that it's the left hip certainly shouldn't stop you from being an ####### Ray.

   67. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 08:15 AM (#4316188)
Jeter isn't exactly Mr. Durability either these days, so trading for Escobar to play 3B now and be ready to move over to SS to cover Jeter makes a lot of sense to me, if it won't cost them the farm to do so. Prying Elvis Andrus from the Rangers would be even sweeter, but I'm not sure the Yankees have anything of sufficient value to interest the Rangers in that.

I'm not supporting this with any evidence, but intuitively it seems like I'm not taking a huge risk if I suggest a 37-year-old who now has suffered severe injuries to both hips is probably done as a player of any use. I'd happily bet a Coke Rodriguez won't take 500 PA in a season again and won't post an OPS+ over 115 again.
   68. catomi01 Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:35 PM (#4316468)
I would probably take the under (500) on PA...but I wouldn't be shocked if he manages OPS+ in the 105-120 range over the next few seasons (I know thats a wide spread), he's still drawing walks, and hitting in NYS will mean a few cheap HR's a year...not really arguing the point that that's not worth 28-30 M, but just that he could, used properly still be a useful player the next few years.

Paired with another lefty who can handle the bulk of the time at 3rd, and given lots of DH time...I think he could be a useful part of the line up for at least the nexst 2-3 seasons....the real problem is that everything I just described applied to Jeter as well (probably more PA, but lower OPS)...and its tough to build a roster around having the left side of your infield each spending more than half their time at DH...whoever they find for the "chavez role" really has to play SS well since the standard is now a 12 man pitching staff and 4 man bench (C, Jeter/Arod Caddy, OF, UT)
   69. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4316483)
He won't draw many walks once pitchers realize he doesn't really have 30 HR power anymore, though.
   70. catomi01 Posted: December 04, 2012 at 12:58 PM (#4316504)
A valid point...but one that depends a lot on what he comes back like...if he can bounce back to 20 HR power after the surgery, he's useful...if not...then he's a utility infielder who can play first and third only.
   71. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:01 PM (#4316507)
I agree. Problem is, if your skill set is "can put up a 105 OPS+ but only part time and only at 1B, DH and occaaaaasionally 3B", you need to be lefthanded to be worth a roster spot.
   72. catomi01 Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:15 PM (#4316528)
Michael Young has made a pretty good second career out of that the last few years....only real difference is the Rangers let him stand at 2nd and short from time to time (along with health and a couple dozen more singles a season)
   73. DL from MN Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:30 PM (#4316549)
This is a golden opportunity to move Jeter to 3B where his terrible range would be mitigated and his terrific arm would be highlighted. The Yankees should go get a new shortstop.
   74. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4316554)
Can't remember or cite it now, but I've read a persuasive argument in the past that Jeter's range is bad because his first step is slow, which logically would make him a bad third baseman.

In theory moving Jeter to third would help the Yankees defensively simply because third is a less important position than short, but in practice (a) it is a completely foreign position to him, and (b) you can't change his position without his permission, so he will play shortstop and that's that, pretty much.
   75. DL from MN Posted: December 04, 2012 at 01:41 PM (#4316560)
Having a bad 3B is not as damaging as having a bad SS.
   76. KT's Pot Arb Posted: December 04, 2012 at 02:01 PM (#4316591)
This is a golden opportunity to move Jeter to 3B where his terrible range would be mitigated and his terrific arm would be highlighted. The Yankees should go get a new shortstop.


If his arm is so good, why the hop/jump throws when hes at short? Seriously, I don't know.
   77. catomi01 Posted: December 04, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4316640)
Because it got him on ESPN when he was 22 years old? On a more serious note - I would say that actually demonstrates at least confidence in his arm (if not actual strength) - it is less strenuous on the arm/easier to get something on it, when you stop and plant, then throwing from the air (1 uses your whole body, the other just the arm)...its is probably not smart to do the hop and throw as he is technically weakening himself (and I would guess putting more strain than necessary on his arm)...but not a sign that he has a weak arm...that he actually gets (or got) outs this way to me shows that his arm is a plus, not a minus.
   78. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: December 04, 2012 at 02:36 PM (#4316652)
This is a golden opportunity to move Jeter to 3B where his terrible range would be mitigated and his terrific arm would be highlighted. The Yankees should go get a new shortstop.
Jeter's poor range isn't a function of his being slow. He was a great baserunner in his prime, and is still a good one. Jeter's problem is that his reactions and first step are poor. Third base is all about quick reactions, and speed doesn't help at all. I'm pretty sure he'd be very bad at 3B, possibly worse than he is at short.

The move for Jeter would have been CF. I think he could have been a gold glover out there - great at tracking the ball, and way more time for his excellent speed to make up for some weak initial reactions.
If his arm is so good, why the hop/jump throws when hes at short? Seriously, I don't know.
The hop/jump throws require a great arm. It's impressive Jeter can get so much on the ball without planting and throwing. The reason Jeter can't plant and throw on balls that other shortstops would play as relatively routine, though, is that his range isn't good. The jump throw demonstrates his lack of range and the strength of his arm at the same time.
   79. Good cripple hitter Posted: December 04, 2012 at 02:40 PM (#4316658)
Can't remember or cite it now, but I've read a persuasive argument in the past that Jeter's range is bad because his first step is slow, which logically would make him a bad third baseman.


I was thinking about that too, I remember the quote being something like "slower to react than Giambi."

There's a piece that was posted here in 2007 which might be the source for that:

“[Baseball Info Solutions Sven Jenkins:] We get to watch games shot from behind home plate so that you can see the fielders react. So you can compare Reyes to a guy like Derek Jeter, who is often the last person in the infield to react to a ball even when it’s hit in his direction. The first-baseman will move to cover first before Jeter moves towards the ball, which results in a lot of missed plays.”
   80. Shooty Survived the Shutdown of '14! Posted: December 04, 2012 at 02:43 PM (#4316665)
Derek Jeter can play third and he'd be fine at it. Miguel Cabrera plays third. Pablo Sandoval plays third. Bobby Bonilla played third. Carney Lansford played third and a lot of people were convinced he was good at it. He wouldn't have great range and he might have to play a couple steps farther back than you'd like but he'd make the plays you'd expect and, of course, he has the arm for it.
   81. catomi01 Posted: December 04, 2012 at 03:14 PM (#4316716)
My take is he would be at best below average there...and consider what his offense looks like right now, that not worth a whole lot...as a SS, his bat still plays...so unless they swap him out for a truly plus short stop, its not worth the aggravation...and even then, the move is probably Jeter to DH...if Arod can get healthy enough whenever he comes back to play the field, he is the better fit defensively.

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