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Monday, March 11, 2013

Kingdom of the Netherlands 7, Cuba 6

Honk, Honk.

Gamingboy Posted: March 11, 2013 at 10:22 AM | 41 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: cuba, international, netherlands, wbc, world baseball classic

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   1. Mike Emeigh Posted: March 11, 2013 at 12:46 PM (#4386304)
OK, raise your hand if you had the Dutch making the final eight, let alone the final four.

-- MWE
   2. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 11, 2013 at 12:50 PM (#4386311)
Well, they made the final eight last time, so why not again. But final four? No.
   3. TerpNats Posted: March 11, 2013 at 01:43 PM (#4386354)
Rough month for the Castros. First Hugo Chavez, now this.
   4. Chris Fluit Posted: March 11, 2013 at 01:44 PM (#4386356)
Nice to see Schoop having a good tournament. The Orioles could use him at 2B if (when) Brian Roberts goes down.
   5. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: March 11, 2013 at 02:09 PM (#4386385)
Most Dutch people I know don't even know that they play baseball, let alone that they're this good.
   6. zonk Posted: March 11, 2013 at 02:19 PM (#4386392)
Most Dutch people I know don't even know that they play baseball, let alone that they're this good.


This.

Our company HQ is Dutch-based and for the past couple of weeks, I have been desperately trying to stoke interest among.... had to rap some knuckles this morning for no one on a call even knowing they they'd made it into the finals!
   7. morineko Posted: March 11, 2013 at 02:28 PM (#4386395)
Isn't baseball in the Netherlands a regional thing? I had a friend from Limburg who played youth baseball, but it doesn't seem to be popular or even known everywhere.
   8. Accent Shallow Posted: March 11, 2013 at 02:42 PM (#4386404)
Limburg?

Is your friend portly, and possessing a remarkable sense of taste?
   9. Flynn Posted: March 11, 2013 at 02:44 PM (#4386405)
It's a Randstad (Amsterdam, Haarlem, Rotterdam, The Hague, Utrecht) thing normally, most of the towns near where my aunt lives in South Holland have clubs and all of the Hoofdklasse clubs come from the Randstad. I watched the World Port Tournament highlights on TV when I was there a few years ago and it was covered in the newspapers. Baseball has a long history there and obviously the Antillean community there has deep roots in the game. I saw a few folks in Andruw Jones t-shirts and unlike the UK you know it wasn't some present their friends bought them in America. Johan Cruyff and Marco van Basten, among others, played baseball as kids.

To me it's like rugby in America but with deeper roots. I'm sure a lot of Americans have no idea that Americans play rugby, but we have qualified for every World Cup plus one, sent players into the European professional game and we have more rugby players than any other country in the world except for England and Japan (I bet a lot of people didn't know that either). But baseball's been played for much longer in Holland and clubs own or have leases on their own fields with real dirt diamonds, fences, dugouts and batting cages, which is rather rare in US rugby.
   10. Swedish Chef Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:04 PM (#4386416)
   11. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:12 PM (#4386423)
Way to go, Netherlands!
   12. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:15 PM (#4386426)
Boxscore makes it look like a pretty dynamite game - three two-run leads blown, the last one in the eighth, followed by the walkoff run in the ninth.
   13. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:38 PM (#4386454)
"Stunt Honkballers" is the greatest headline in the history of headlines.
   14. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:47 PM (#4386468)
12 - it was a sensational game. Not only the back and forth but the Cubans had a man at third with one out in the ninth and two of their best hitters up but a strikeout and a fly out ended the threat.

I can understand that some people aren't interested in the tournament but if you like baseball this has been very exciting. Today's game was just another in a line of exciting games.
   15. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:50 PM (#4386471)
I really expected them to split their two games with Cuba.
   16. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4386474)
Most Dutch people I know don't even know that they play baseball, let alone that they're this good.


Well, they aren't this good or relevant in the Netherlands -- where I assume zonk's company is located. I know there is that Honkbal league there, but only 2 of the 15 players who played for the Netherlands in this game were born in Holland (most of them are from Curacao). I'm not totally sure what the relationship is between the territory and its owner, but at several thousand miles away I'm assuming that there's some lack of identification (if there were a sport that was huge in Guam but not played in the mainland US, how many of us would have it remotely on our radar?).

   17. Gamingboy Posted: March 11, 2013 at 03:53 PM (#4386475)
Johan Cruyff and Marco van Basten, among others, played baseball as kids.


There's a book out there by Josh Chetwynd that looks at baseball in European countries, and this was relatively common in Europe until the 1970s when soccer became more of a year-round event. Before then it was common for soccer teams to have their players do at least some recreational baseball to keep them fit. But once the clubs started dropping (or decreasing their involvement with) baseball teams, really only the Dutch and Italians (and to a lesser degree the Spanish) kept playing on a high level. Cruyff apparently is a pretty big baseball fan to this day and has attended Dutch national team games in the past.

Also, proving that some things are the same all over, I google translated some of the comments on the place Chef linked to... and many of the comments were complaints over how hard it was to find the channels showing it.
   18. GregD Posted: March 11, 2013 at 04:03 PM (#4386483)
This videoexplaining the differences between Holland, The Netherlands, and the Kingdom of the Netherlands is very good.
   19. Walt Davis Posted: March 11, 2013 at 04:46 PM (#4386519)
Inspiring my first ever post-upgrade handle change
   20. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 11, 2013 at 04:54 PM (#4386525)
Nice. That article has 96 reacties.

How many of them are from right wing ######## complaining that Antilleans aren't real Dutchmen. (Or are not all newspaper comment sections like America's?)
   21. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 11, 2013 at 04:56 PM (#4386527)
I was under the impression that That Curacao and Aruba are less like Guam and more like Hawaii. A far off place that really is part of the country. I admit to total ignorance, however.
   22. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 11, 2013 at 04:57 PM (#4386528)
Yes, I also translated some of the comments. Lots of people complaining about endless stultifying coverage of Robben's blisters and cycling.
   23. Swedish Chef Posted: March 11, 2013 at 05:09 PM (#4386540)
Who needs Google Translate? Dutch is just a weirdly spelled mix of English, Swedish and German, perfectly understandable. :-)
   24. John Northey Posted: March 11, 2013 at 05:31 PM (#4386550)
Just imagine if Canada had beaten the US - you'd be down the two countries who, pre the first tournament, were viewed as favorites for the finals. Gotta say I never thought the WBC would be so competitive. I figured if the US lost the first one that pride would force almost every US player to want to be there. Instead they were 2 innings from being sent to qualifying. Now Cuba has hit roadbumps, losing 2 games to the Netherlands.

Now for total Bizzarro World we just need Italy and the Netherlands to meet in the final. Although right now I am cheering the Dominican Republic.
   25. Jarrod HypnerotomachiaPoliphili(Teddy F. Ballgame) Posted: March 11, 2013 at 05:35 PM (#4386555)
I was under the impression that That Curacao and Aruba are less like Guam and more like Hawaii. A far off place that really is part of the country. I admit to total ignorance, however.


More like Guam, I think.

There are three autonomously governed Caribbean localities that are part of the Kingdom of the Netherlands, namely, Aruba, Curacao, and Sint Maarten (the last is part of the island of St. Martin, sharing space with St. Martin, which is part of France. So France and the Netherlands share a border, just not in Europe). Each of those uses its own currency and is considered a unitary state that is part of the larger kingdom.

There are also three municipalities on other islands, Bonaire, Sint Eustatius, and Saba. These are considered part of the continental Netherlands, although they use the US dollar as their currency and are not part of any of the twelve provinces in the European Netherlands. Essentially they're like Washington D.C. They'd be more like Hawaii than Guam.
   26. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 11, 2013 at 05:55 PM (#4386562)
"Perhaps the most beautiful sports in recent years. Everything was in it. Tension, pure class and despite injuries and a terrible game in the legs an absolute winner mentality. look what we can jointly reach"
   27. Weekly Journalist_ Posted: March 11, 2013 at 05:58 PM (#4386564)
"This was enjoyed. Four hours sport and giga voltage. Baseball is simply THE sport. Where is the CSS??? If it's not skating, football or hockey is not giving them home. On to SF men. Success there."
   28. Perry Posted: March 11, 2013 at 06:24 PM (#4386573)
Before then it was common for soccer teams to have their players do at least some recreational baseball to keep them fit.


The idea of soccer players retaining any semblance of fitness by playing baseball is hilarious. I guess it's better than bowling or golf.
   29. Robert in Manhattan Beach Posted: March 11, 2013 at 06:39 PM (#4386576)
Giga voltage indeed.
   30. Gamingboy Posted: March 11, 2013 at 06:49 PM (#4386580)
More like Guam, I think.


Tim Duncan played for USA Basketball despite being a US Virgin Islander.
   31. Esoteric Posted: March 11, 2013 at 07:13 PM (#4386593)
Way to go Honkballers. An analogy is swiftly developing -- Gonzaga : NCAA March Madness :: Honkballers : WBC.

In other words, they're perennially underestimated and underrated, but if this keeps up people are just going to start expecting them to be good each time out.

By the way -- and this is an embarrassing question to ask -- but are there any legal (or, *ahem*...questionable) ways to watch the WBC online for someone without a TV?
   32. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: March 11, 2013 at 08:16 PM (#4386624)
I did not know Andruw Jones was Dutch!
   33. Bhaakon Posted: March 11, 2013 at 08:37 PM (#4386631)
The idea of soccer players retaining any semblance of fitness by playing baseball is hilarious. I guess it's better than bowling or golf.


Wouldn't want their arms to waste away to nubs.
   34. RollingWave Posted: March 11, 2013 at 08:55 PM (#4386636)
It'll be very hard for the Americas pool to match the insane level of drama that was the Japan pool , Taiwan vs Japan and Cuba vs Neterhland were 2 games that looked and felt like Game 7 WS and then some.
   35. The Clarence Thomas of BBTF (scott) Posted: March 11, 2013 at 09:11 PM (#4386641)
Can you imagine in 4 years when the oldest infielder will be Simmons at the ripe age of 27?
   36. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 11, 2013 at 09:22 PM (#4386645)
If profar replaces de caster, where do you play him? Ideally, schoop at third and profar at second - right?
   37. Gamingboy Posted: March 11, 2013 at 11:21 PM (#4386698)
I did not know Andruw Jones was Dutch!


By virtue of Curacao being under the Dutch crown still, technically.
   38. RollingWave Posted: March 11, 2013 at 11:49 PM (#4386706)
I guess then they could make a team out of Canada + Aussie + all the other teams still technically owning allegiance to the UK? not sure if that team would be any better than team Canada though.
   39. Der-K and the statistical werewolves. Posted: March 12, 2013 at 12:08 AM (#4386716)
Haddadi update: broken his single game scoring high - has 13 pts and 8 reb in 18 min so far tonight...
   40. RollingWave Posted: March 12, 2013 at 01:46 AM (#4386727)
wrong thread? D K?

Haddadi is like the slowest center I've ever seen though, but he seem to have a decent idea of what he's doing .

   41. GregD Posted: March 12, 2013 at 09:17 AM (#4386787)
I guess then they could make a team out of Canada + Aussie + all the other teams still technically owning allegiance to the UK? not sure if that team would be any better than team Canada though.
More like the United Kingdom than the Commonwealth, I think, since the Kingdom can negotiate treaties and regulate foreign shipping though Curacao still gets to ratify, and people born in Curacao are citizens of the Kingdom.

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