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Saturday, February 08, 2014

Klapisch: A-Rod should have ended the lie long ago

As Bob Dylan sorta said…“All the truth in the world adds up to one big ass Chrysler”

There’s no way he’ll ever play for the Yankees again. The team’s hierarchy would just as soon buy out the remainder of Rodriguez’s contract than allow him back in the clubhouse. Rodriguez’s teammates are long past the fatigue factor with his controversies. Don’t think for a minute they wanted him to show up in Tampa this month.

So where does A-Rod land in 2015? Finishing out his days with another team is a long shot at best. No owner would risk Selig’s wrath by signing the most hated man in the game’s modern history. Selig used his own scorched-earth policy to finish off Rodriguez, making it clear what happens to his enemies.

That’s Selig’s enduring legacy, proving he’d go to any lengths to wipe out PEDs. Rodriguez’s camp never got over the shock of discovering that Selig was even tougher and more ruthless than the slugger himself. And that sent a chilling message, not only to A-Rod, but anyone else considering using performance enhancers.

...That’s probably why A-Rod fought so hard before finally giving up on Friday — because his system was supposed to be foolproof. He was never supposed to get caught like this. It took Rodriguez nearly a full year to understand Selig and Bosch were too powerful, too motivated, too mean to overcome.

Rodriguez tried casting himself as the victim of a witch hunt, tried to depict Bosch a criminal in his own right, even implied Selig’s investigation was racially motivated.

Ultimately, it was a waste of time, which is the only thing A-Rod has left in the wake of his failed legal action — time, plenty of it. An entire baseball season during which he can ask why he didn’t open his eyes sooner.

Repoz Posted: February 08, 2014 at 01:19 PM | 63 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 08, 2014 at 02:07 PM (#4653657)
Rodriguez’s teammates are long past the fatigue factor with his controversies.


One wonders if Klapisch actually talked to many of those teammates:

Asked if he wanted Rodriguez back in 2015, Teixeira added: "If Alex is out there hitting home runs and driving in runs, who wouldn't want him back?"

Added Yankees right-hander David Phelps: "The one thing I know about Alex is our team is better when he's in the lineup. We're definitely going to miss him."


Those comments were made last night, and reported by Wally Matthews at ESPNNewYork.com.

The good thing about Klapisch's piece is that it at least talks about the real lesson of the Biogenesis mess -- namely that the testing program failed to catch a bunch of admitted users. Which means that we're back to basically having no idea if any given player really is clean.
   2. Bob Meta-Meusel Posted: February 08, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4653658)
Rodriguez tried casting himself as the victim of a witch hunt, tried to depict Bosch a criminal in his own right...


He was the victim of a witch hunt. Unfortunately, every now and then a witch hunt catches an actual witch.

And, in fairness, Bosch is far more of a criminal than ARod is.

Neither of those things really made it even remotely likely that he was going to win either the arbitration or any of the appeals, but they're really not things that should just be dismissed.
   3. Dale Sams Posted: February 08, 2014 at 02:17 PM (#4653661)
No owner would risk Selig’s wrath by signing the most hated man in the game’s modern history. Selig used his own scorched-earth policy to finish off Rodriguez, making it clear what happens to his enemies.


What's Selig going to do? Send nasty Christmas cards from his retirement retreat?
   4. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: February 08, 2014 at 02:38 PM (#4653670)
@1- Thanks for the laugh. Some vote of confidence - "IF" Alex is out there hitting Home Runs - That's an endorsement? And David Phelps?! Give me a break. He should be more concerned about getting someone out than hanging with the Centaur.
   5. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: February 08, 2014 at 02:51 PM (#4653674)
The thing that annoys me most about all this ######## is that the Yankees get to weasel out of a terrible contract that they never should have offered.
   6. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: February 08, 2014 at 03:06 PM (#4653679)
The thing that annoys me most about all this ######## is that the Yankees get to weasel out of a terrible contract that they never should have offered.


Well, they still owe him $61 mil even with the 2014 reprieve.
   7. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: February 08, 2014 at 03:21 PM (#4653683)
There’s no way he’ll ever play for the Yankees again. The team’s hierarchy would just as soon buy out the remainder of Rodriguez’s contract than allow him back in the clubhouse.


So he'll be the 2015 Opening Day third baseman for the Yankees, right?
   8. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: February 08, 2014 at 03:35 PM (#4653685)
Thanks for the laugh.


Laugh all you want. A-Rod's teammates sure looked supportive when Dempster threw at him last year. I just happen to think that the idea of Rodriguez being universally reviled among his peers is more than a little bit overblown.

Well, they still owe him $61 mil even with the 2014 reprieve.


Yeah, "buy out" and "weasel out" are not synonyms. But in addition to most of the 2014 salary, they are likely to avoid paying the bonuses for passing Mays, Ruth, Aaron, and Bonds. Of course, there wasn't much of a chance that they'd have had to pay any beyond the first of those.
   9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 08, 2014 at 04:08 PM (#4653691)
Doesn't cost anything for the Yankees to take a look at A-Rod in 2015, they aren't loaded with 3B options, and it costs $61M to make A-Rod go away. The folks saying he'll never play again for the Yankees are voicing their own wishes.
   10. Curse of the Andino Posted: February 08, 2014 at 06:10 PM (#4653711)
Laugh all you want. A-Rod's teammates sure looked supportive when Dempster threw at him last year. I just happen to think that the idea of Rodriguez being universally reviled among his peers is more than a little bit overblown.


Certainly Manny Machado looked happy to be in his presence earlier this year, but A-Rod's supposed to be (maybe, ish, not sure) something of a mentor or at least friend to Machado.
   11. Lars6788 Posted: February 08, 2014 at 06:25 PM (#4653714)
I think as much as his teammates support the guy because he wears the same uniforms as they do, they want to see the drama go away.
   12. gehrig97 Posted: February 08, 2014 at 06:29 PM (#4653715)
The team’s hierarchy would just as soon buy out the remainder of Rodriguez’s contract than allow him back in the clubhouse.


Utter nonsense.
   13. Infinite Joost (Voxter) Posted: February 08, 2014 at 06:31 PM (#4653717)
Yeah, the Steinbrenner boys may be splitting their old man's billion-dollar fortune, but $60 million is a bit too big to be a drop in the bucket, even for them.
   14. PreservedFish Posted: February 08, 2014 at 06:45 PM (#4653718)
Unfortunately, every now and then a witch hunt catches an actual witch.


Is this a History Fact?
   15. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: February 08, 2014 at 06:58 PM (#4653719)
Jeter on A-Rod:

Will he be at Spring Training - “I have no idea,” Jeter said Friday after working out at the Yankees’ minor league complex. “You’d have to ask him.”

Should he be at Spring Training? “I’m not an adviser, man,” Jeter said. “I don’t know, really, enough about it to even comment on it. I don’t know the rules, the regulations.”

Yankee captain opened up ever so slightly on the 162-game ban slapped on A-Rod by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz, saying he was “saddened by the whole thing,” and calling it “kind of messy.”
“Other than that, it is what it is,”

Now there's a strong endorsement, if I ever heard one.
   16. DFA Posted: February 08, 2014 at 07:03 PM (#4653720)
The thing that annoys me most about all this ######## is that the Yankees get to weasel out of a terrible contract that they never should have offered.


It's true that the Yankees will be better in 2014 than they were in 2013, but it's also true that the Yankees have done what they always seem to do, sign a bunch of guys who could easily get hurt and make the majority of their contracts look poor. If CC continues to be a shadow of his former self, combined with their aging infield and injury prone new outfielders, its not too hard to imagine a scenario where they are on the outside looking in going forward for the new couple Octobers.
   17. cmd600 Posted: February 08, 2014 at 07:20 PM (#4653722)
It sure isnt a non-endorsement either. Sounds like Cap'n Jetes knows his neutrality helps him even if it doesnt help anyone else. Reminds me of the JFK quote: "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality"
   18. bayside627 Posted: February 08, 2014 at 07:22 PM (#4653723)
Last year the Yankee third baseman hit seven HRs and drove in 45 RBIs. If these stats are repeated the Yankees will want Arod back even if he only produces 15-20 HR and 70-80 RBIs. It does not matter which sport it is if a player can help the team win the team and the home fans want that person to play.
   19. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 08, 2014 at 07:35 PM (#4653725)
He's got a year to rehabilitate his image. Is there anything he could do to make everyone love him? What if he bought tickets to every game (home and away) and made a big deal about cheering on the team?
   20. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: February 08, 2014 at 07:52 PM (#4653728)
What if he bought tickets to every game (home and away) and made a big deal about cheering on the team?


Some people would accuse him of pathetically trying to keep the spotlight on himself instead of on the honest ballplayers on the field.
   21. Best Regards, President of Comfort Posted: February 08, 2014 at 08:22 PM (#4653732)
He should buy all the tickets behind the Yankees dugout for every game in every ballpark and show up in uniform and heckle Girardi.
   22. cardsfanboy Posted: February 08, 2014 at 08:49 PM (#4653734)
Jeter on A-Rod:

Will he be at Spring Training - “I have no idea,” Jeter said Friday after working out at the Yankees’ minor league complex. “You’d have to ask him.”

Should he be at Spring Training? “I’m not an adviser, man,” Jeter said. “I don’t know, really, enough about it to even comment on it. I don’t know the rules, the regulations.”

Yankee captain opened up ever so slightly on the 162-game ban slapped on A-Rod by arbitrator Fredric Horowitz, saying he was “saddened by the whole thing,” and calling it “kind of messy.”
“Other than that, it is what it is,”

Now there's a strong endorsement, if I ever heard one.


You bag on the Phelps comments but put in a Jeter comment? Jeter is about the least controversial person ever. He studied at the feet of Crash Davis when it comes to quotes. Jeter has never, ever, ever in his entire life, ever said one thing interesting publicly, he's just too scared of tarnishing his image. As far as being "Captain" of the team, he's a Captain in the same way that Frank Burns was a major. Got it out of just being around, not for any shown ability to actually lead the team.
   23. Heinie Mantush (Krusty) Posted: February 08, 2014 at 09:24 PM (#4653739)
Jeter is about the least controversial person ever. He studied at the feet of Crash Davis when it comes to quotes. Jeter has never, ever, ever in his entire life, ever said one thing interesting publicly, he's just too scared of tarnishing his image.


That time Derek Jeter had an cranky press conference.
   24. ptodd Posted: February 08, 2014 at 11:23 PM (#4653750)
How many of Arods teammates are left? Jeter, Tex, Gardner, CC, Kuroda, Nova and Robertson are about it except for some fringe players. In a sense, Arod takes some of the heat off the other players. Now reporters can focus on Jeters defense, Tex decline, CC being an albatross contract, Roberston and Gardners impending free agency and Novas inconsistency. I think they will miss Arod.
   25. ptodd Posted: February 08, 2014 at 11:29 PM (#4653752)
9. The Yankee Clapper Posted: February 08, 2014 at 03:08 PM (#4653691)
Doesn't cost anything for the Yankees to take a look at A-Rod in 2015, they aren't loaded with 3B options, and it costs $61M to make A-Rod go away. The folks saying he'll never play again for the Yankees are voicing their own wishes.


They will be paying an extra 6 million for Arod to hit 6 HR in 2015, which is 9 million after LT. Not like they can't replace his expected 5 WAR over the next 3 years and they may have an in-house option by next year if things go well
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 09, 2014 at 12:02 AM (#4653755)
Last year the Yankee third baseman hit seven HRs and drove in 45 RBIs.


Rodriguez himself had five HRs and 10 RBIs in just 27 games at third base. That means in the remaining 135 games, Yankee third basemen combined for two homers and 35 RBIs. Celerino Sanchez could have done that.
   27. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: February 09, 2014 at 05:13 AM (#4653791)
Hey Cardsfanguy - I bag on Phelps because he's a two year player who really could not get anyone out last year. And this is who you're going to quote to give me a sense of the Yankees team? I'd rather take a look at Jeter's quotes, all of your tired, regurgitated 'neutral' meme aside.
   28. vivaelpujols Posted: February 09, 2014 at 06:28 AM (#4653792)
This dude needs to wipe Selig's jizz off his face. Isn't he retiring soon anyway?
   29. vivaelpujols Posted: February 09, 2014 at 06:39 AM (#4653793)
I'd rather take a look at Jeter's quotes, all of your tired, regurgitated 'neutral' meme aside.


Jeter didn't say anything positive or negative about ARod. It's the definition of neutral. You need to use your brain.
   30. Swedish Chef Posted: February 09, 2014 at 06:48 AM (#4653794)
Reminds me of the JFK quote: "The hottest places in hell are reserved for those who in times of great moral crisis maintain their neutrality"

You see a great moral crisis here?
   31. eddieot Posted: February 09, 2014 at 01:18 PM (#4653849)
No owner would risk Selig’s wrath by signing the most hated man in the game’s modern history. Selig used his own scorched-earth policy to finish off Rodriguez, making it clear what happens to his enemies.

Selig will be retired. The Yankees will not swallow $61 million just for PR purposes, and even if they did, and no one signs A-Rod, you're basically handing the union a slam-dunk collusion ruling with triple damages.

I will be absolutely shocked if A-Rod doesn't play in 2015.

   32. haggard Posted: February 09, 2014 at 01:34 PM (#4653854)
Triple what damages?
   33. Buck Coats Posted: February 09, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4653863)
well the damages of not reaching those home run bonuses, for one thing
   34. Blackadder Posted: February 09, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4653865)
Selig will be retired. The Yankees will not swallow $61 million just for PR purposes, and even if they did, and no one signs A-Rod, you're basically handing the union a slam-dunk collusion ruling with triple damages.


Is it? It would seem to me that the union had a better case with the Bonds situation, and nothing came of that.
   35. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: February 09, 2014 at 01:54 PM (#4653869)
The Yankees will not swallow $61 million just for PR purposes, and even if they did, and no one signs A-Rod, you're basically handing the union a slam-dunk collusion ruling with triple damages.

Triple what damages?

Yeah, this is the same thing the dipshits around here were saying about Barry Bonds almost six years ago.
   36. Fancy Pants Handle doesn't need no water Posted: February 09, 2014 at 01:58 PM (#4653875)
You see a great moral crisis here?

"Great" might be stretching it. But yeah. Both Arod, and particularly MLB, showed a level of moral bankruptcy that is simply breathtaking. I think "moral crisis" would be an apt description of this "process".
   37. McCoy Posted: February 09, 2014 at 02:09 PM (#4653878)
Barry bonds and mlb came to an agreement in which he can file a collusion claim after he is done with all the legal cases and appeals.

I've never seen so many people be so passionate and so ill wishing over a subject that means so little. I mean people are practically wishing arod dies a horrible death just to prove they are right and others wrong about a meaningless topic.
   38. haggard Posted: February 09, 2014 at 02:13 PM (#4653879)
well the damages of not reaching those home run bonuses, for one thing

Right. The union is going to try to prove, on behalf of a broken down player they hate who has $61 million coming, that teams colluded to prevent him from reaching bonuses.
   39. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: February 09, 2014 at 03:02 PM (#4653895)
Barry bonds and mlb came to an agreement in which he can file a collusion claim after he is done with all the legal cases and appeals.

He lost his appeal five months ago.
   40. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: February 09, 2014 at 03:05 PM (#4653896)
@29 - Smart guy - You think if Jeter loved him, and wanted him back, he wouldn't say so? What a complete fail.

I mean you're actually going to try and tell me Jeter wants him on the Yankees? (Laughter)

Use your brain.


   41. McCoy Posted: February 09, 2014 at 03:38 PM (#4653910)
And he can still appeal.
   42. JJ1986 Posted: February 09, 2014 at 03:54 PM (#4653914)
Jeter's not going to be as invested in the 2015 Yankees as guys who might actually be on the team.
   43. eddieot Posted: February 09, 2014 at 04:10 PM (#4653917)
Yeah, this is the same thing the dipshits around here were saying about Barry Bonds almost six years ago.

Bonds was involved in a Federal criminal case and both sides agreed that there would be no internal baseball litigation until that was resolved. A-Rod's situation is completely different. But stay classy, Joey, your level of discourse is admirable. Deadspin trolling not satisfying enough for you?
   44. eddieot Posted: February 09, 2014 at 04:16 PM (#4653920)
Right. The union is going to try to prove, on behalf of a broken down player they hate who has $61 million coming, that teams colluded to prevent him from reaching bonuses.

And if they don't try to prove that they will be labeled as weak and irrelevant by posters here.

My initial point stands, I will be shocked if A-Rod is not on a major league roster in 2015. If the Yanks give him a $61 million escape clause (which won't happen) and 29 other teams can sign him for the ML minimum, he will find a job. He's A-Rod. No way he doesn't try to reclaim some sliver of legacy.
   45. Joey B. is being stalked by a (Gonfa) loon Posted: February 09, 2014 at 05:18 PM (#4653929)
Bonds was involved in a Federal criminal case and both sides agreed that there would be no internal baseball litigation until that was resolved.

Again, Bonds federal criminal case is resolved; he lost his appeal five months ago. He's a convicted felon for life now.
   46. McCoy Posted: February 09, 2014 at 05:24 PM (#4653931)
And bonds has something like 6 months left to file if he chooses. But even if he doesn't, so what? There are factors besides the likelihood of winning that goes into pursuing something.
   47. Gonfalon B. Posted: February 09, 2014 at 06:55 PM (#4653956)
Again, Bonds federal criminal case is resolved; he lost his appeal five months ago. He's a convicted felon for life now.

Bonds' lawyers filed a 9th Circuit appeal of the ruling a little over three months ago. Smells like a long shot, but the process continues.

The federal prosecutors didn't file their opposing brief until last month. But it just possibly might explain the "inexplicable" lack of Bonds/MLB litigation so far.

The convicted felon for life is almost as likely to be the all-time home run champion for his and our lives. Whatever one's standard for technicality or injustice, there's always something to choke on.
   48. Bruce Markusen Posted: February 09, 2014 at 10:50 PM (#4654005)
"As far as being "Captain" of the team, he's a Captain in the same way that Frank Burns was a major. Got it out of just being around, not for any shown ability to actually lead the team."

I'm sorry, but a preposterous statement like this simply has to be challenged. Jeter is viewed one way here at BTF, and it's often not in a positive way. His quotes are clichéd and vapid, agreed and without question. He offers nothing of consequence in his talks with the media. But if you don't think that Jeter has been a leader of the Yankees, if you don't think that he is generally well respected in that clubhouse, you are showing little knowledge of the Yankees' history over the past two decades.

Derek Jeter is the Frank Burns of the Yankees? Really? You are going to go with that comparison in assessing a Hall of Famer who has had a huge impact on his team for nearly 20 years.

   49. Lassus Posted: February 09, 2014 at 10:58 PM (#4654006)
I'd agree that CFB's quoted statement is ridiculous.
   50. haggard Posted: February 09, 2014 at 11:03 PM (#4654008)
And if they don't try to prove that they will be labeled as weak and irrelevant by posters here.

I don't think that will be a big factor in their decision.

[/My initial point stands, I will be shocked if A-Rod is not on a major league roster in 2015.em]

If your point is that you will be shocked, its hard to argue with you. I wouldn't be shocked.
   51. Walt Davis Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:43 AM (#4654053)
Evil stature aside, it's quite possible that ARod will no longer be capable of playing ML-caliber baseball in 2015. This is a guy who spent about 40 games on the DL in 2012 then came back to hit a mediocre 261/341/369 in the last month. Then he missed the first 110 games of 2013, hit OK but had to be moved to DH for the last couple of weeks then missed the last few games. Now he'll be off for a full year.

Over the last 3 years, he's averaged under 90 games and 400 PA. 3.8 WAR in 99 games in 2011 (damn good), 2.3 WAR in 122 games in 2012 (good), .3 WAR in 44 games in 2013 (below-average). The defense may have finally slipped to below-average and about 1/3 of his starts 2012-13 have been at DH. The guy already seemed to be running out of steam and he'll be 39 and played just 44 games in 2 years.

Which isn't to say that there won't be teams willing to give him 200 PA to find out if he's got anything left ... which is not to say that there will be. Other than the Yanks I wouldn't bet on it but the Rays did give Manny one last shot (and the Rangers put him in AAA last season) so why not?
   52. Walt Davis Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:48 AM (#4654054)
trying </i> did it work?
   53. Monty Predicts a Padres-Mariners WS in 2016 Posted: February 10, 2014 at 01:50 AM (#4654055)
Neat! This</em></em> usually works, but when the tag is "em" instead of "i" everything goes kerflooey.
   54. Athletic Supporter can feel the slow rot Posted: February 10, 2014 at 02:07 AM (#4654060)
Amateur hour.
   55. Gonfalon B. Posted: February 10, 2014 at 10:29 AM (#4654109)
This</em></em> usually works, but when the tag is "em" instead of "i" everything goes kerflooey.

I'm frightened, and I'm anti-em. I'm frightened.
   56. Yastrzemski in left. Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:20 PM (#4654196)
Wait, did I get this right? CardsFanDude - On Derek Jeter being the Yankees Captain.

Got it out of just being around, not for any shown ability to actually lead the team.

Standing by that one huh? Good for you. (laughter)
   57. bunyon Posted: February 10, 2014 at 12:40 PM (#4654223)
I don't see anyway you get a collusion case for A-Rod. He'll be signed and paid. If the Yankees want to play him, they can. If they don't, they won't. If they release him and no one else signs him, he suffers no damages. I don't think one can assume bonuses and he's going to receive a very substantial amount of money. I don't see anyway a case for collusion goes forward. By the time his contract is up, he'll be old enough that anyone can justifiably be wary of him.

It'll depend on a lot of factors I think and there is no way to know, at this point, if he'll play again.
   58. Moeball Posted: February 10, 2014 at 02:30 PM (#4654320)
No owner would risk Selig’s wrath by signing the most hated man in the game’s modern history.


And no one apparently has, given that Bonds still can't get a job despite leading the majors in OBA his last season played and hitting almost 30 HRs.

You mean he's not the "most hated" anymore? Gee, the "most hated man in the game's modern history" sure seems to change a lot. I thought it was Bonds but then they told me it was really A-Rod. Before that I thought it was Albert Belle but then they told me it was really Bonds.

Either the "most hated" keeps changing according to whim or maybe it's just that Klapisch is a complete idiot.
   59. booond Posted: February 10, 2014 at 04:41 PM (#4654411)
Either the "most hated" keeps changing according to whim or maybe it's just that Klapisch is a complete idiot.


Why can't it be both?
   60. Gonfalon B. Posted: February 10, 2014 at 05:17 PM (#4654430)
Belle leads to Bonds. Bonds leads to hate. Hate leads to A-Rod. You can lead A-Rod to water but you can't make him drink.
   61. A big pile of nonsense (gef the talking mongoose) Posted: February 10, 2014 at 05:26 PM (#4654441)
Belle leads to Bonds. Bonds leads to hate. Hate leads to A-Rod. You can lead A-Rod to water but you can't make him drink.


Why do we keep leaving Chris Truby out of the narrative?
   62. Snowboy Posted: February 10, 2014 at 08:56 PM (#4654528)
Why do we keep leaving Chris Truby out of the narrative?


And Mike Crudale.
   63. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: February 10, 2014 at 09:33 PM (#4654542)
What does this have to do with Frank Tanana?

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