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Wednesday, February 03, 2010

Klapisch: How long can Lincecum shoulder load?

Or as Mrs.“The Schemestress” Drucci once said…“We sure gave the Verducci Effect a swell sendoff!”.

Lincecum’s mechanics are so far acting as a buffer against injury; to say the Giants’ right-hander uses his entire body to deliver the ball is like saying Bill Gates has a checking account. Lincecum’s pitching stride reaches 7.5 feet, or roughly 129 percent of his height. The average stride length for a pitcher is 77 to 87 percent of his height.

That may explain why Lincecum was able to dodge the dreaded “Verducci Effect” in 2009. The theory, devised by Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci, suggested that a pitcher under 25 risks injury by increasing his workload by more than 30 innings from one year to the next.

Lincecum added 81.1 innings between 2007 and 2008, which means the Verducci Effect should’ve nailed him in ’09. But it didn’t. Lincecum leads the majors in ERA, batting average against (.214), winning percentage (.733) and strikeouts over the past two seasons.

But that’s not to say Lincecum can forever rely on pure velocity, as he’s already weaning off his fastball. In 2007, two out of every three pitches Lincecum threw were four-seam heat; the percentage declined to 55.8 percent last year. Conversely, his dependence on change-ups increased from 13.4 percent in ’07 to 21.4 percent in ’09.

Repoz Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:07 PM | 27 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Balkroth Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:29 PM (#3453542)
I thought it was elbow load...
   2. Into the Void Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:29 PM (#3453543)
Wasn't his change proven to be one of the best/most difficult pitches to hit in the league? And wouldn't that at least partially explain why he started using it so much more?
   3. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:29 PM (#3453545)
I'd rather enjoy watching the guy pitch than worry about when his shoulder will blow up, or when Prince will weigh in at 400 lbs, or when Pujols might slip on a banana peel. It seems there's an abundance of actuarial baseball writing with a doomsday bent. Let me put my head in the sand.
   4. Gamingboy Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:34 PM (#3453547)
or when Pujols might slip on a banana peel.


Only if the banana peel is magic!
   5. David Wrightwing obstructionist Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:41 PM (#3453550)
I'm with mrams, one thing I've learned in my 36 years, is to enjoy greatness while it's here. Instead of focusing on Mets games at Coors this year, I plan on trying to catch a Lincecum start instead.
   6. Van Lingle Mungo Jerry Posted: February 03, 2010 at 09:51 PM (#3453556)
The Giants should trade him for Victor Zambrano while they still have the chance.
   7. Orange & Blue Velvet Posted: February 03, 2010 at 10:23 PM (#3453575)
Klapisch: Will Yankees' captain ever age? No.
   8. RB in NYC (Now with New iPhone!) Posted: February 03, 2010 at 10:33 PM (#3453581)
That may explain why Lincecum was able to dodge the dreaded “Verducci Effect” in 2009. The theory, devised by Sports Illustrated’s Tom Verducci, suggested that a pitcher under 25 risks injury by increasing his workload by more than 30 innings from one year to the next.
Didn't someone study the "Verducci Effect" and discover that it was (A) Not really worth a damn and (B) Not really Verudcci's doing anyway, he just tossed it out as a theory, rather than claiming a specific thing.
   9. A triple short of the cycle Posted: February 03, 2010 at 10:37 PM (#3453583)
Ahh... I miss CBW's frame-by-frame videos with accompanying discussion of scapula loading.
   10. Repoz Posted: February 03, 2010 at 10:53 PM (#3453595)
Didn't someone study the "Verducci Effect" and discover that it was (A) Not really worth a damn and (B) Not really Verudcci's doing anyway, he just tossed it out as a theory, rather than claiming a specific thing.

Mike Salfino, I believe.
   11. Cris E Posted: February 03, 2010 at 11:07 PM (#3453604)
"There's this formula, and because it is math it is both precise, immutable, and hard for me to understand. Therefore when it appears to be wrong I will attempt to explain it by grabbing and flinging a sheaf of numbers in the direction of my page, not arranged in any structured or relevant manner, leaving the entire exercise feeling vaguely like some sort of mathematical performance art piece. I am a bad writer."
   12. wcw Posted: February 03, 2010 at 11:47 PM (#3453626)
I majored in mathematical performance art at Berkeley.

This may explain the seventeen-year delay between matriculation and graduation.

I nevertheless ended up with a substantially better GPA than W. Bush had at Yale.
   13. Voros McCracken, Human Shield Posted: February 03, 2010 at 11:52 PM (#3453631)
I majored in mathematical performance art at Berkeley.

Did you take "Pi in the Face 203" with Dr. Bonzo?
   14. CW hits the pinata for the candy Posted: February 04, 2010 at 12:09 AM (#3453644)
Lincecum’s mechanics are so far acting as a buffer against injury; to say the Giants’ right-hander uses his entire body to deliver the ball is like saying Bill Gates has a checking account. Lincecum’s pitching stride reaches 7.5 feet, or roughly 129 percent of his height. The average stride length for a pitcher is 77 to 87 percent of his height.


What?

WHAT?!?!?

Where on EARTH are you getting those numbers?
   15. ChuckO Posted: February 04, 2010 at 12:26 AM (#3453653)
I'm including a link an analysis of Linecum's mechanics on the the Driveline Mechanics site. As far as they're concerned, his mechanics are perfect.

http://www.drivelinemechanics.com/2008/06/12/pitcher-analysis-tim-lincecum/
   16. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 04, 2010 at 01:53 AM (#3453680)
his mechanics are perfect

Mark Prior says hello....
   17. Misirlou's got a busy day, he's wearing a vest Posted: February 04, 2010 at 01:58 AM (#3453682)
Did you take "Pi in the Face 203" with Dr. Bonzo?


Would that be Bozo the Clown, or Bozo the District Attorney?
   18. ChuckO Posted: February 04, 2010 at 02:16 AM (#3453692)
Hugh, the Driveline Mechanics folks were not big fans of Prior's mechanics.
   19. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: February 04, 2010 at 03:24 AM (#3453713)
I predict that your favorite pitcher will come to suffer an injury. Bookmark this thread!
   20. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 04, 2010 at 03:24 AM (#3453714)
What?

WHAT?!?!?

Where on EARTH are you getting those numbers?


I remember those numbers being cited in an article about Timmy in an SI cover story. "The Freak," I believe it's called. I think it has to do with Timmy literally jumping off the mound to complete his stride.
   21. Dock Ellis on Acid Posted: February 04, 2010 at 03:26 AM (#3453715)
Here's the link.
   22. base ball chick Posted: February 04, 2010 at 05:15 AM (#3453763)
i remember all the talk every year about how a small man like pedro couldn't possibly pitch as a starter and he was gonna get injured/get worse. and after like 10 years, turns out that everybody was right about it
   23. Hugh Jorgan Posted: February 04, 2010 at 05:56 AM (#3453778)
the Driveline Mechanics folks were not big fans of Prior's mechanics

Maybe so, but where were they when Prior was just starting out and everyone was saying the same thing..."this kid has perfect mechanics" It was quite comical after awhile, it's like you almost knew he'd break down.

As far as overall size is concerned, both Pedro and Roy Oswalt had many naysayers about size and longevity and their careers have turned out alright.
   24. Rants Mulliniks (formerly Cold Prosimian) Posted: February 04, 2010 at 01:34 PM (#3453852)
"Lincecum vowed to never smoke pot again. There’s no reason not to believe him."


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, that's hilarious.
   25. Nuclear Dish Posted: February 04, 2010 at 03:45 PM (#3453919)
Even if there were something to the Verducci Effect, was it guaranteed to work in the immediately following season?! How do we know that Lincecum isn't about to be whammied this coming year instead? Or is it like Instant Karma?
   26. Harmon "Thread Killer" Microbrew Posted: February 04, 2010 at 04:04 PM (#3453935)
It's gonna getcha. Gonna knock you off your feet.

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