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Friday, August 17, 2012

Kovacevic: Can’t crown cheating Cabrera

The Melky Crown Affair: He was young, handsome, a future millionaire - and he’d just pulled off the perfect batting title scam!

But even if Selig wants to keep baseball’s asterisk-free approach to history, he has an easy escape hatch: Forgo the Tony Gwynn Rule in this one instance. Let Cabrera forever linger one plate appearance shy. His hits remain intact, but he’s disqualified from the crown.

Selig’s got the authority within the famous “best interests of baseball” clause, and it’s imperative that he uses it.

Not after the fact, either.

Right now.

McCutchen and others have far larger concerns in August than individual milestones — “I’m not even thinking about stuff like that,” McCutchen will say — but it matters to any player by September. And it’s only fair that all of them know what they’re up against, if it’s each other or a static .347.

The latter should be outright disqualified.

Call it the Melky* Rule.

Repoz Posted: August 17, 2012 at 01:00 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Transmission Posted: August 17, 2012 at 01:44 AM (#4210210)
No.
   2. Shock Posted: August 17, 2012 at 02:00 AM (#4210214)
I don't have a clue who won the batting titles last year.
   3. The Yankee Clapper Posted: August 17, 2012 at 02:04 AM (#4210215)
Edit Melky out of the All-Star Game, too? No.
   4. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 17, 2012 at 02:12 AM (#4210216)
Bill Madlock won his 1981 batting crown with the Pirates the same way, only he wasn’t lucky — or unlucky — enough to have it become the Mad Dog Rule.


I've seen this claimed several times, but it's not true. Because of the strike, teams played a different number of games that season. The Pirates played 103 games, the least in the NL. At 3.1 PA per game to qualify, Madlock would need 319.3 PA to qualify for the batting title. He had 320.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: August 17, 2012 at 04:45 AM (#4210229)
There is no official "crown" handed out for BA. Is it even an official MLB rule?

Anybody know what Kovacevic's take on Braun's MVP was?
   6. Dan Lee prefers good shortstops to great paintings Posted: August 17, 2012 at 04:47 AM (#4210230)
If you want to crown him, then crown his ass! But he is who we thought he was.
   7. bobm Posted: August 17, 2012 at 07:39 AM (#4210242)
[5] Anybody know what Kovacevic's take on Braun's MVP was?

Dejan Kovacevic chat transcript
By Pittsburgh Tribune-Review
Published: Thursday, December 15, 2011

Zachary: Would you strip Ryan Braun of his MVP? He knew a month in advance, but there is no precedent so I am torn.

Dejan Kovacevic: I gave Braun a second-place vote on my 10-man MVP ballot. Speaking only for myself, I would take him completely off my ballot if I had this knowledge when I submitted my ballot in very late September and if, in fact, Braun's appeal fails.

Matt Kemp should be MVP. He was my first choice then (though not at all an easy one), and he's my first choice now with a bullet.

Don't rule out that there still could be action on this, by the way.


http://triblive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/sports/s_771974.html
   8. Walt Davis Posted: August 17, 2012 at 09:39 AM (#4210286)
At least the man is consistent
   9. Randy Jones Posted: August 17, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4210297)
A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds
   10. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 17, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4210298)
Is it even an official MLB rule?


Yeah, it's rule 10.22(a)-

10.22 MINIMUM STANDARDS FOR INDIVIDUAL CHAMPIONSHIPS
To assure uniformity in establishing the batting, pitching and fielding
championships of professional leagues, such champions shall meet the following
minimum performance standards:
(a) The individual batting, slugging or on-base percentage champion shall be the
player with the highest batting average, slugging percentage or on-base percentage,
as the case may be, provided the player is credited with as many or more total
appearances at the plate in league championship games as the number of games
scheduled for each club in his club’s league that season, multiplied by 3.1 in the
case of a Major League player and by 2.7 in the case of a National Association
player. Total appearances at the plate shall include official times at bat, plus bases
on balls, times hit by pitcher, sacrifice hits, sacrifice flies and times awarded first
base because of interference or obstruction. Notwithstanding the foregoing
requirement of minimum appearances at the plate, any player with fewer than the
required number of plate appearances whose average would be the highest, if he
were charged with the required number of plate appearances shall be awarded the
batting, slugging or on-base percentage championship, as the case may be.

Rule 10.22(a) Comment: For example, if a Major League schedules 162 games for each
club, 502 plate appearances qualify (162 times 3.1 equals 502) a player for a batting, slugging or onbase
percentage championship. If a National Association league schedules 140 games for each club,
378 plate appearances qualify (140 times 2.7 equals 378) a player for a batting, slugging or on-base
percentage championship. Fractions of a plate appearance are to be rounded up or down to the closest
whole number. For example, 162 times 3.1 equals 502.2, which is rounded down to a requirement
of 502.

If, for example, Abel has the highest batting average among those with 502 plate appearance
in a Major League with a .362 batting average (181 hits in 500 at-bats), and Baker has 490 plate
appearances, 440 at-bats and 165 hits for a .375 batting average, Baker shall be the batting champion,
because adding 12 more at-bats to Baker’s record would still give Baker a higher batting average than
Abel: .365 (165 hits in 452 at-bats) to Abel’s .362.
   11. Misirlou is on hiding to nowhere Posted: August 17, 2012 at 10:04 AM (#4210312)
Rule 10.22(a) Comment: For example, if a Major League schedules 162 games for each
club, 502 plate appearances qualify (162 times 3.1 equals 502) a player for a batting, slugging or onbase
percentage championship.


How do they define "schedules"? Because clearly in 1981, 1994, and 1995, plus a few other seasons, no one played 162 games, but they were scheduled at the start of the season. I ask this because I'm curious if work stoppages are treated differently from rainouts. Will this become moot if the Giants have an un-made-up rainout, or are they still considered to have 162 scheduled games?
   12. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 17, 2012 at 10:44 AM (#4210340)
I don't see a definition of schedule, but (unrelatedly) Rule 10.23(c) says a consecutive game streak is extended if a player plays a half-inning in the field or has a plate appearance. The part I didn't know is that the streak also continues if the player gets ejected before he can finish an inning or a PA.
   13. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 17, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4210353)
Will this become moot if the Giants have an un-made-up rainout, or are they still considered to have 162 scheduled games?

It really doesn't matter for determining a batting title as even if the Giants play 162 games, the calculation for Melky's average isn't affected (when rounding occurs).
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: August 17, 2012 at 11:03 AM (#4210362)
It really doesn't matter for determining a batting title as even if the Giants play 162 games, the calculation for Melky's average isn't affected (when rounding occurs).


It would if McCutcheon slots somewhere between Melky's current .346 and Melky's adjusted .346.

   15. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 17, 2012 at 11:51 AM (#4210419)
It would if McCutcheon slots somewhere between Melky's current .346 and Melky's adjusted .346.


It's one PA. It's rounding error. McCutchen would have to slot between .3464052 and .3456521.

My back of the envelope calculations say that McCutchen needs to hit .311 for the rest of the season to stay ahead of Cabrera (assuming that he plays all of the Pirates remaining games and maintains his current rates for PA/game, walks, HBP and SF). That's 51 for 164 if you're keeping score at home. And yes, I actually did the arithmetic on the back of an envelope.

I don't think this is going to be an issue.
   16. Moloka'i Three-Finger Brown (Declino DeShields) Posted: August 17, 2012 at 11:53 AM (#4210424)
There is no official "crown" handed out for BA.


But it would be so awesome if there were. And Tony Gwynn (Sr.) would need a large space at Extra Storage just to keep them all.
   17. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 17, 2012 at 11:55 AM (#4210427)
It really doesn't matter for determining a batting title as even if the Giants play 162 games, the calculation for Melky's average isn't affected (when rounding occurs).


It's based on scheduled games, not games actually played. You don't get to qualify for a batting title with fewer PA because your team had more rainouts than everybody else. Work stoppages are different, because the games are removed from the schedule.
   18. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: August 17, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4210431)
Dejan used to be such a good writer. It really pains me to see him churn out crap like this.
   19. nick swisher hygiene Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:07 PM (#4210440)
Adamant ####### abuses alliteration
   20. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM (#4210451)
It's one PA. It's rounding error. McCutchen would have to slot between .3464052 and .3456521.

My back of the envelope calculations say that McCutchen needs to hit .311 for the rest of the season to stay ahead of Cabrera (assuming that he plays all of the Pirates remaining games and maintains his current rates for PA/game, walks, HBP and SF). That's 51 for 164 if you're keeping score at home. And yes, I actually did the arithmetic on the back of an envelope.

I don't think this is going to be an issue.


I don't think it will be an issue, precisely because it's only one at bat. My point was the rounding off has nothing to do with it. If the adjustment turned Melky's average from a low .346 to a high .345, it would be just as likely to have an effect on the batting race as an adjustment that turned his existing .346 into a lower .346.

That in this case the current and adjusted BA round to the same number is immaterial to the question of whether it can have an impact on the batting race.

   21. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM (#4210464)
It's based on scheduled games, not games actually played. You don't get to qualify for a batting title with fewer PA because your team had more rainouts than everybody else. Work stoppages are different, because the games are removed from the schedule.


Rainouts that do not get made up get wiped off the schedule. If a team only plays 161 games then the PA threshold is lowered to 499 (from 502).
   22. TVerik, the gum-snappin' hairdresser Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:28 PM (#4210474)
What's Melky's contract status? I think the big action might be whether the Giants resign him and under what terms.
   23. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM (#4210506)
You don't get to qualify for a batting title with fewer PA because your team had more rainouts than everybody else. Work stoppages are different, because the games are removed from the schedule.

And it still doesn't matter in Melky's case because he's only 1 PA below the threshold for an entire season (501 instead of 502). The rules state he'd just get assigned a single hitless PA/AB, and that doesn't have much of an effect on his batting average (it lowers it by .0007531).

There is no true "miminum" qualification. They just tack on extra empty PA/AB to reach the calculating minimum (3.1 PA/team game played), and calculate it that way.

Example: Tony Gwynn in 1996.
   24. Shock Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM (#4210509)
He's a free agent. He's got an excellent chance of starting his 4th straight year with a new club, a rare feat for a good player.
   25. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM (#4210524)
He's a free agent. He's got an excellent chance of starting his 4th straight year with a new club, a rare feat for a good player.

Hmm.

Octavio Dotel - 2005 OAK, 2006 NYY, 2007 KCR, 2008 CHW
(and a stop in ATL in 2007)

Octavio Dotel - 2009 CHW, 2010 PIT, 2011 TOR, 2012 DET
(and stops in LAD & COL in 2010, and STL in 2011)

Two sets of four straight seasons starting with a new team, and a total of 11 teams in 8 seasons.

   26. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM (#4210526)
Oh, how about 5 years in a row?

Matt Stairs - 2000 OAK, 2001 CHC, 2002 MIL, 2003 PIT, 2004 KCR

And how about one of the greatest ever?

Rickey! - 2000 NYM, 2001 SDP, 2002 BOS, 2003 LAD
   27. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 17, 2012 at 01:06 PM (#4210534)
Rainouts that do not get made up get wiped off the schedule. If a team only plays 161 games then the PA threshold is lowered to 499 (from 502).


People keep saying this, but show me where it says so in rule 10.22 posted above in #10.
   28. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: August 17, 2012 at 01:12 PM (#4210539)
It says "the number of games scheduled for each club in his club’s league that season" which sounds like it's 162 games and 502 PA, whether the Giants play 161, 162, or 163.
   29. Random Transaction Generator Posted: August 17, 2012 at 01:17 PM (#4210550)
If, for example, Abel has the highest batting average among those with 502 plate appearance
in a Major League with a .362 batting average (181 hits in 500 at-bats),


Cripes! 502 plate appearances with 500 ab?! He drew two walks (or sac flies)?!
   30. Moeball Posted: August 17, 2012 at 02:29 PM (#4210658)
It says "the number of games scheduled for each club in his club’s league that season" which sounds like it's 162 games and 502 PA, whether the Giants play 161, 162, or 163.


I've seen this claimed several times, but it's not true. Because of the strike, teams played a different number of games that season. The Pirates played 103 games, the least in the NL. At 3.1 PA per game to qualify, Madlock would need 319.3 PA to qualify for the batting title. He had 320.

Although the wording may not take into account the actual games played, it seems clear from the Madlock case that MLB in practice looks at the actual games played rather than just the scheduled games.

And that we are discussing this at all is just another example of Ted Williams' impact on baseball more than 50 years after he retired.
   31. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: August 17, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4210809)
But a strike is clearly a different situation than a rainout. Different teams had different numbers of scheduled games that season, so they had to decide whether to go with the minimum or the maximum number of scheduled games. The fact that they made the choice more favorable to Madlock it that unusual circumstance doesn't speak to the issue of rainouts at all.
   32. bobm Posted: August 17, 2012 at 06:22 PM (#4211003)
[25] [26] How about Kenny Lofton? 6 free agent deals in 7 seasons, starting 7 seasons in a row with new teams, and 9 teams (1 twice) in 7 seasons.

2001 CLE
2002 CWS (deadline trade to SFG)
2003 PIT (deadline trade to CHC)
2004 NYY
2005 PHI (via trade)
2006 LAD
2007 TEX (deadline trade to CLE)

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