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Sunday, March 17, 2013

Kratz on Halladay: Roy Halladay went home sick

Erik Kratz: “I’m not a doctor. But I can see sick. I’ve seen sick and that was sick.”

Q: Did you talk to him after that inning?

Kratz: “He was hurting pretty good. He was hurting pretty good after the inning. So there wasn’t any – I’m not a doctor. But I can see sick. I’ve seen sick and that was sick.”

Q: Today aside, how has he looked to you this spring? Everyone is questioning after last year, that last start. What’s your confidence level that he’s going to be the guy people remember from 2011?

Kratz: “100 percent. I think there’s something to be said when competitive people don’t do as well as they want. I think, he would never say it, but there were some issues he was dealing with last year that he was trying to fight through. And fighting through those shows his competitiveness. He didn’t have the success that he wanted, and then things changed for him in the offseason. A guy who is annually, year in and year out going to work hard, and now he’s going to get a little more information. He had a little bit of a down year and you learn from your mistakes. How he looks physically, and his mental aptitude, that’s never in question. How he loks physically and how he’s carrying himself around in between starts. I’m excited, let’s put it that way.”

Q: With him working on things last time, only one inning today – are you confident he can be where he needs to be for first start of season?

Kratz: “For sure. For sure. A guy with less experience, you’d probably worry, but maybe he’ll throw a few more pitches in his next outing, his next bullpen – he’s had these situations before. He and Dubee will work through it as far as his pitch count. I think you can really set yourself back if you go out there throwing sick, it’s kind of like throwing hurt, you wil do things your body is not going to do. If he had gone out there and thrown 50 or 60 more pitches under those conditions, it probably wouldn’t have been good for the long term.”

Repoz Posted: March 17, 2013 at 05:33 PM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: March 17, 2013 at 05:39 PM (#4390070)
It sure looks alarmingly like Halladay is done, doesn't it? There wasn't a pitcher in the past ten years I enjoyed watching more.

EDIT: I mean done as a dominant pitcher, not 'oh he's probably retiring now' obviously.
   2. John Northey Posted: March 17, 2013 at 06:15 PM (#4390083)
Eh, in his first 2 years post-10.64 ERA season he had a worse BB/9, worse K/9, was a lot better in HR/9 and had an ERA+ of 153. I suspect he had a few issues last year but I sure wouldn't bet against him having another 2 or 3 years with 140+ ERA+'s (as 7 of his 8 30+ start seasons have been). Yes, last year was only the 2nd time he's had an ERA+ under 115 but I doubt this year will be the third.

The only concern I would have is that wildness - Halladay just doesn't walk guys that often outside of his first 2 ML seasons (4.8 and 5.6 BB/9 in 99/00, sub 2.7 every other season). Still, in the end if Halladay says he is OK I'd say go with him. He has earned that trust.
   3. The TVerik of Lordly Might Posted: March 17, 2013 at 06:41 PM (#4390096)
If #1 is true, could he be a very effective closer for a few years?
   4. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: March 17, 2013 at 08:01 PM (#4390133)
If #1 is true, could he be a very effective closer for a few years?


Phew, that's good to know then he can become the cornerstone on which all championship teams are built.
   5. cardsfanboy Posted: March 17, 2013 at 08:02 PM (#4390134)
If #1 is true, could he be a very effective closer for a few years?


This is what I thought a lot of good pitchers should have done at the tail end of their careers(if they wanted to stay pitching) I think Randy Johnson could have stuck around long enough to get 200 saves or so. I mean it might be a different role, and I don't think a front line pitcher would accept anything less than the closers role, but it seems like a natural transition.
   6. PASTE Thinks This Trout Kid Might Be OK (Zeth) Posted: March 17, 2013 at 08:12 PM (#4390138)
If you put Halladay in relief he might boost his fastball up to, what, the 90-91 range? He might be able to work with that and be effective, I don't know. I kind of doubt he would be able to kick ass as a relief pitcher. When he sits at 87 he gets lit up like a movie marquee.

Edit: There's also the question that's always kicking around of what an asskicking relief pitcher is really worth, when used in the traditional closer's role. Just eyeballing bWAR, John Smoltz was a merciless killing machine as a reliever in 2003 and clocked in with 3.2 WAR. That's equivalent to a good Jon Garland season, a good #3 starter kind of year.

So if you get to the point where Roy Halladay just can't get major league hitters out as a starter anymore, sure you might try him as a reliever, see if he can add a few MPH and provide some value for the pile of money you're going to pay him anyway. If you're not sure about it, though, it seems better to keep starting him as long as you can get away with it. And the problem you have with converting him to relief once he can't hack it at all as a starter anymore is, he'll probably be more minded to retire.

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