Am I out of touch? Am I too angry, too outraged about Manny Ramirez and his dope-induced exile to baseball purgatory?
In the last few days, talking to fans during Dodgers games and perusing my e-mail inbox, it’s been striking how many people feel that angry indignation is uncouth, unrealistic and absurd. Striking how many are willing to treat their favorite player as if he’s just gone off on a nice holiday. All will be forgiven, as long as No. 99 comes back swinging a fat bat.
“Hey, he cheated, everyone has their crutch, it’s not that big a deal,” said Mike Calame, 45, sitting near the left-field foul pole at Dodgers Stadium the other day. He shrugged a shrug I’d end up seeing time and again. “All I know is that he’ll be back, and he’ll be rested. That’ll be great for the Dodgers. . . . I can’t wait.”
It was no different on the Internet.
“When Manny returns it will be just like last season,” read one of many notes castigating me for castigating Ramirez. “His strength, hunger, passion and love for the game will conquer your typing. . . . What matters is what happens on the field.”
“Save the moral panic,” read another. “Most of your readers under the age of 70 have done the same long ago. . . . Is taking steroids cheating? Sure, maybe.”
Sure, maybe? Ho-hum, la-di-da , who cares . . .
How sad.
The L.A. Times (or rather Plaschke and Streeter) is trying to drum up moral outrage among Dodgers fans against Manny… and can’t find it. That’s actually pretty funny.
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1. Leroy Kincaid Posted: May 10, 2009 at 01:31 PM (#3173016)Act like morally outraged asshat if you like. The rest of us have better things to do with our lives.
Perhaps your convienently not caring all that much about PED use in baseball is due to the 2002 WS Champs Angles having a such notably roided roster?
I mean...Brad Fullmer? Donnelly? Percival? Glaus? Weber? C'mon. And those are just the glaring cases.
I guess I'm another moralist square, but I'd like to see baseball cleaned-up as much as possible with frozen blood sample testing, and one year first offense bans.
I don't know how you feel, but yes.
The author's reaction is perfectly justified.
The Dodgers play in the NL West -- the suspension is not season-changing. They'll just clinch a little later in September than they would have with Manny not out.
But don't let us stop any of you who enjoy having your underwear bunched up your crack.
He's entitled to his outrage; he isn't entitled to ours.
Gold star indeed.
You missed one, Schoeneweis. And included Weber and Percival, who there isn't any reason to suspect other than that they were baseball players from 1980-2005, which certainly puts them in a group to be suspicious of. I've acknowledged the 2002 Angels had their share of juicers in other threads. Maybe you didn't see that, can't keep up on every BTF posting, but I don't think it's necessary to mention that as a disclaimer every time I post on something else, and my failure to do so does not mean I'm not aware of it.
You want to be outraged at Manny that's just fine but I think this writer is an asshat because he expects the rest of us to share his sense of outrage.
First off, it's you're.
Secondly, aren't you a Red Sox fan, you smarmy little coot? Shouldn't your hysteria about steroids cause you to disown 2004 and 2007?
#### them. Dodger fans had plenty of outrage for a guy 400 miles north.
I'm sure San Diego fans will come up with enough faked moral outrage for everyone, though. Perhaps while in Caminiti jerseys.
Hysteria? How the hell do you get hysteria off my posts here? I recognize that there were Sox 'roiders in 04, and 07.
I still want baseball cleaned-up.
And I don't think Flynn quite knows what "smarmy" means, yet he incorrectly ties to correct my spelling...
Dictionary: smarm·y (smär'm?) pronunciation
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adj., -i·er, -i·est.
1. Hypocritically, complacently, or effusively earnest; unctuous. See synonyms at unctuous.
2. Sleek.
[From smarm, to smear.]
smarminess smarm·i·ness n.
Ties?
No, why would it?
"your" should be "you" there, not "you're".
DISCLAIMER: Non-native speaker.
DISCLAIMER: Non-native speaker.
You're right.
DISCLAIMER: Idiot.
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the pay sucks, and you just piss people off.
I know, so I quit and joined the capitalization police.
I know, so I quit and joined the capitalization police.
i Will Not Bow Down to you're fascist policies. anaRky In The bbTF.
Awesome thread. Debating grammar and playing "gotcha" with typoes is way fresher and more exciting than yet another argument about how important it is to some people that other people feel a certain way about Manny. Not kidding here.
Your just saying that because you don't realize the severity of the situation. I question you're moral values.
I question the moral values of anyone going to law school.
I don't--I know they don't have any
I think 'distressed' would be a better stance for the Dodgers' faithful. This does put their season into jeopardy, unfortunate for them because of the incredible start and what have you. To have rage of any stripe feels rather extreme. I mean, he didn't kick your dog. He just ###### up. I don't feel outrage when the video clerk is clearly screwing up whatever it is their supposed to be doing on the computer. It just doesn't matter that much to me. Drew Peterson's incomprehensible arrogance... Now -that's- outrageous.
He shoots! He scores!!!
Smarmy: revealing or marked by a smug, ingratiating, or false earnestness I don't think I've been posting that way here.
And it would seem logical to me, and forgive me if I come off as smarmy, that there were more
players on PED's in 2002 than in 2004, and more in 2004 than in 2007. Can't prove it, but it makes sense to me.
And that '02 Angels team was 'roided to the gills--but hey, I'll always love them anyway for dismantling the NYY's and SF, who were also 'roided to the gills. I'm not suggesting that the Angel's title is illegitimate or tainted in any way--just that they were pretty 'roidy, and I support efforts to clean up baseball.
I bothers me a little bit that my main obsession and pass-time has been indirectly, at least, encouraging highschoolers to damage and maybe ruin their bodies. Again, I guess I'm some kind of square, but I don't see any reason to shrink from these views, no pun intended.
I understand that people are sick and tired of hearing and reading that PED's are bad--but that doesn't mean that PED's aren't bad.
This above post is a good example of the kind of thoughtless, reactive, moronic, over the top hyperbole this site has way too much of. Nothing I said even comes within a thousand miles of this sentiment, yet there you go...
Well, let me see if I can respond with the same sort of style...
So Sam, you support just letting everybody pound whatever crap they want to into their veins, at any age, all for your Roman-style cheap thrills, to the point where we have guys livers popping out of them when they slide into second? OK, fine. There's plenty of young men to take the place of all the ones who will die to feed your selfish appetite for distraction.
Dos Molinas
Kennedy
Wooten
Salmon
Erstad
Anderson
Lackey
Appier
Ortiz
Shields
K-Rod
Percival
Weber
Figgins
Those I don't think were, by evidence or suspicion:
Glaus
Shoeneweis
Donnelly
Washburn
Fullmer
Spiezio
Gil
Palmeiro
And the most obvious roider: Eckstein
Actually, I think that's exactly what Sam believes...
Also, the term "Manny being Manny" is circular logic. It should be "Manny."
Awesome thread. Debating grammar and playing "gotcha" with typoes is way fresher and more exciting
It's "typos."
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD.
KNEEL BEFORE ZOD
It's "Neil"
why?
i didn't see all these writers screaming and indignant about jc romero 4 weeks ago
oh, i get it. media only get angry screaming and indignant if the ballplayer is good. because it is different when he is not because even fewer people give a hoohah, so why write about it, let alone spend one second crying over it
will be very interesting to hear what all these screamers will say if it turns out that manny has actually been using the medication for ED or infertility
This isn't even the worst "you aren't outraged enough about Manny!!!!111oneone" thread.
you doink i bin on this cite praktikally since it started and this the best thread EVAH!!11!!!
Manny will be returning early July? by then San Diego will be some 20 games out, and the only people showing up for the games, will be season ticket holders. all six of em.
after all that, your argument came down to "what about the children?"
weak sauce man, weak.
Except that the liver thing and the "die" seems about as sane, rational, and measured as arguing that if we legalize prostitution, school bus drivers will be having sex with kids in the middle of the aisle.
When did MLB start drafting Aquaman and Sub-Mariner?
Kramer.
Because if you acknowledge that stiffs do 'roids to it invalidates the argument that steroids turn you into Superplayer.
Last night before I cut the sound out Morgan said something to the effect that players who didn't do steroids couldn't put up the numbers for the Hall of Fame. What I wouldn't have given for Miller or Phillips to ask him if that meant Ken Griffey Jr. and Derek Jeter were on 'roids.
Because they're really, on average, more concerned about records being broken (BTW, how much is Cy Young's career wins record worth when he would have had a hard time making it to 400 post-1920?) than the health of people that use PEDs (though many of these same people shamefully give lip service about that aspect, of course).
If you really are concerned about the health risks associated with steroids (as I am), than the Manny Alexanders should be as noteworthy as the Ramirezes and the A-Rods.
I heard that, but I didb't take it to mean that the only people that put up HoF nubers now are roiders. I think what he was trying to say was that if you were playing clean, then:
a) your numbers were slightly deflated, because you were facing pitchers or batters that were roiding, and
b) players that wouldn't have put up better stats then you if they had been playing clean, overtook you because they were roiding
The inner circle types are obviousy going to make it regardless. But unless you believe that steroids have had absolutely no effect on baseball, I don't think you can really argue, that some players who would have been solid HoFers on a normal playing field aren't going to get bumped.
At least as long as this guy!
Yeah, the NFL tries to keep its the star players pretty clean in the public eye, so they stick to getting caught driving drunk, or with weed, or coke, or handguns tucked into the waistband of their sweatpants in the club.
You forgot "running dog-fighting operations"... and of course "low-speed highway chases after killing your ex".
This post was enough to make reading this thread tolerable. My first impulse was to correct you're speling, fortunately, my sarcasm detector went off just in time.
I'm glad that you didn't. I'm tired of being blamed for that damn law. Blame it on Muphry instead!
This sentence is not wrong. "Your" is correct. Stripped of the modifiers, "your caring" is a gerund noun phrase and the subject of the sentence, and "is due" is the verb.
With the distance between the subject and actual verb, and the adverb "conveniently" in the middle of the gerund phrase, it's easy to misread "your ... caring" as a subject-verb pair and think it should be "you are ... caring".
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