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Tuesday, June 27, 2006

L.A. Daily News: Dodgers on verge of acquiring Hendrickson

Hendrickson….the missing component?

Following Monday night’s game, an 8-2 loss to the Minnesota Twins in front of 22,528 at the Metrodome, the Dodgers appeared close to acquiring Tampa Bay left-hander Mark Hendrickson. The deal also is believed to involve a swap of catchers, with Dioner Navarro going to the Devil Rays for Toby Hall.

...Hall didn’t play Monday night at Florida. Backup Josh Paul made his second consecutive start for the Devil Rays behind the plate, something a source close to the club called “highly unusual.” There was one report that both Hendrickson and Hall were told before the Devil Rays’ game that they had been traded to the Dodgers, but that is unconfirmed.

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   1. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 27, 2006 at 12:56 PM (#2077453)
Mark Hendrickson has had a 'good' first half, but he's not any better than Tomko, Seo, or probably even Sele. And giving up Navarro for him is just plain stupid, especially since Little would probably start Hall over Ross.
   2. Sean McNally Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:00 PM (#2077458)
Seriously, Tampa's done so many things right in the last six months it's like I don't know them any more.
   3. Spahn Insane Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:02 PM (#2077462)
Why the hell would the Dodgers do this?
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:04 PM (#2077464)
Is Seo going to the D-Rays as well?
   5. Cris E Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:10 PM (#2077471)
EVERYBODY needs catching. It's always been that way. Look at Baltimore this offseason. If you can trade for young or middle-aged catching you do it. Even if you need to trade away a good young player like Navarro, you do it. Those guys are always getting hurt.
   6. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:13 PM (#2077475)
That was sarastic, right?
   7. Dr. Vaux Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:17 PM (#2077480)
Why'd I think Russel Martin's name was Ross?
   8. ckash Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:29 PM (#2077487)
Colletti is definitely showing himself to be a Sabean disciple. Hendrickson can't keep this up, and I think they are trading Navarro for 50 cents on the dollar.
   9. Sean McNally Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:42 PM (#2077502)
Sad thing is - Hendrickson won't even be the tallest southpaw Navarro's ever been traded for.
   10. NTNgod Posted: June 27, 2006 at 01:43 PM (#2077503)
This rumor is in the Florida press, too:

Tampa Tribune: Rays May Trade Hall, Hendrickson

The Devil Rays were close to completing a trade with the Dodgers Monday night that would send catcher Toby Hall and left-handed pitcher Mark Hendrickson to Los Angeles. A deal could be finalized as soon as today.
...
Since Navarro has just 258 major-league at bats under his belt, the Rays would be able to hold Navarro’s rights several years. He makes $332,000 this season and would be the kind of low-cost, high-reward player the Rays would be looking to build around, especially given the the small number of quality catchers available on the market.
   11. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 27, 2006 at 03:19 PM (#2077578)
That was sarastic, right?

I sure hope this article was sarcastic. If Colletti actually goes through with this...
   12. alkeiper Posted: June 27, 2006 at 03:43 PM (#2077597)
If this is the going price for a catcher, I really hope Pat Gillick's working the phones.
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 04:03 PM (#2077615)
Wow. I mean, wow. Things are on the up and up in Tampa.
   14. JRVJ (formerly Delta Socrates) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:11 PM (#2077687)
An interesting side product of this deal is that it shoves Dioner Novarro under George Steimbrenner's nose, so he remembers what he gave away in the Unit deal.

I wouldn't be too surprised if Georgie boy wants to get Novarro back if he hears good things from his Tampa mafia.
   15. PJ Martinez Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:13 PM (#2077690)
"Things are on the up and up in Tampa."

No kidding. Apparently, Kazmir just became the youngest 10-game winner since Greg Maddux won 10 games in 1988 with the Cubs. And the Cubs were decent that year, weren't they?
   16. Old Matt Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:14 PM (#2077691)
What happened to Navarro? He fell out of good graces.
   17. PJ Martinez Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:17 PM (#2077700)
Jumped the gun: about to become the youngest, etc.
   18. akrasian Posted: June 27, 2006 at 05:25 PM (#2077714)
Leaving aside Hendrickson - why would the Dodgers want Hall? Are they going to cut Alomar? Hall can't be optioned, so the choice would be to cut Alomar, send Martin down to the minors, or trade Hall immediately. Alomar was signed to work with the young catchers, and has played well in very limited time, so I don't know if they'd want to cut him. Sending Martin down to the minors would be stupid - he's hit quite well for a catcher, has been solid defensively, and works well with the pitchers.

The thing is - the Dodgers need a decent catcher for AAA in case there's an injury - but Hall doesn't fit the bill.
   19. Riley Esco Posted: June 27, 2006 at 06:52 PM (#2077823)
Done deal:

"The Devil Rays completed a trade Tuesday they feel will make them younger and better at two positions – acquiring catcher Dioner Navarro and pitcher Jae Seo from the Dodgers for Toby Hall and lefthanded starter Mark Hendrickson.
The Rays also will send $1-million to the Dodgers and will get back a minor-league player to be named later. The deal is expected to be announced at 3 p.m. Tuesday."

http://www.sptimes.com/blogs/devilrays/
   20. Randy Jones Posted: June 27, 2006 at 06:58 PM (#2077828)
Steal for the D-Rays?
   21. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 07:03 PM (#2077830)
Great deal for the Rays. I can't believe they also got Seo out of the deal.
   22. JPWF13 Posted: June 27, 2006 at 07:41 PM (#2077858)
FWIW my DIPs calculator has Hendrickson pitching exactly as well as he has in 2005 & 2004, he's just getting hit lucky this year
2004: 183 ip, 211 hits, 20 hr, 87/46 k/bb 4.81 ERA
2005: 178 ip 227 hits, 24 hr. 89/49 k/bb 5.90 ERA
2006: 89.667 ip, 81 hits, 10 hr, 51/34 k/bb, 3.81 ERA

Seo's peripherals, THIS YEAR, are really no worse than Hendricksons- Seo's problem has been the spike in his HR rate. He was better than Hendrickson prior to 2006, and HRs aside he'd still be better. Assuming (and boy is that dangerous) that the HR spike is just a transitory thing, he'll probably out pitch Hendrickson going forward.

And the DRays get Navarro too, for Toby Hall...
   23. Boomer Posted: June 27, 2006 at 07:47 PM (#2077866)
25 more trades like that and the Rays might challenge for 3rd place someday
   24. schuey Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2077879)
Dodgers get $1 million also? That's the most important thing for a small market team like Los Angeles with a finacially strapped owner. Jim Tracy must be glad he left that organization.
   25. Nobody ##### with DeJesus Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:03 PM (#2077880)
Done deal:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2502089
   26. Jim Wisinski Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2077881)
I love it!
   27. Sean McNally Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:05 PM (#2077882)
That's unfair Boomer.

By the end of 2007, the Devil Rays everyday lineup could look like this:

CA - Dioneer Navarro
1B - xxxxx
2B - Jorge Cantu
SS - BJ Upton
3B - Wes Bankston
LF - Carl Crawford
CF - Rocco Baldelli
RF - Delmon Young
DH - Elijah Dukes (?)

SP - Scott Kazmir, Edwin Jackson, Chuck Tiffany, Jeff Niemann, xxxxx (eventually Wade Townsend, maybe)

You have to be impressed with the job the new regime in Tampa is doing. If they can flip Lugo for a potential impact bat at 1st or make a run at a big bopper this offseason or next, they could potentially could contend, even in the AL East.
   28. Sean McNally Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2077891)
Ack.. fill that DH with Jonny Gomes instead... or perhaps 1B? He certainly plays the OF like a 1B.
   29. DCA Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:18 PM (#2077892)
CA - Dioneer Navarro
1B - xxxxx
2B - Jorge Cantu
SS - BJ Upton
3B - Wes Bankston
LF - Carl Crawford
CF - Rocco Baldelli
RF - Delmon Young
DH - Elijah Dukes (?)


Do you think they'd put Young or Dukes at 1B? Because Upton's D isn't going to cut at shortstop, he's going to have to be a corner player or he's going to kill them. He practically screams out Gary Sheffield, you'd think someone would have figured that out by now. And I hear Bankston plays 3B like Aubrey Huff plays 3B. He ought to be groomed for 1B unless they plan to convert Upton or one of the outfielders. That infield defense would sink the team, probably -60 runs between the three of them. I see the best deployment of resources as:

Navarro
Bankston
Cantu
SS
Upton
Crawford
Baldelli
Young
Gomes

Dukes can plug in if one or two of the other OF is moved for pitching or hurt (if two, Upton --> OF/DH and use Wigginton at 3B or get another glovey MI and shift Cantu to 3B).
   30. Jon W Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2077894)
Hendrickson has the lowest line-drive percentage in the AL.

http://tinyurl.com/nkyv6

Is this something you think he can keep up?

David Pinto of Baseball Musings inspired me to look this up with this post:

http://www.baseballmusings.com/archives/015725.php
   31. PJ Martinez Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:20 PM (#2077895)
Ned Colletti does not impress me.
   32. More Indecisive than Lonnie Smith on 2nd... Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:22 PM (#2077898)
By the end of 2007, the Devil Rays everyday lineup could look like this:

CA - Dioneer Navarro
1B - xxxxx
2B - Jorge Cantu
SS - BJ Upton
3B - Wes Bankston
LF - Carl Crawford
CF - Rocco Baldelli
RF - Delmon Young
DH - Elijah Dukes (?)

SP - Scott Kazmir, Edwin Jackson, Chuck Tiffany, Jeff Niemann, xxxxx (eventually Wade Townsend, maybe)

You have to be impressed with the job the new regime in Tampa is doing.
it's true that one should be impressed. I certainly am. But there are still a TON of defensive holes in that prospective infield. However, if in two years--I think he's due for FA then--they acquired someone like D. Lee to man 1B, it might cut down on the throwing errors (much like for Aramis Ramirez). but that still doesn't create IF range or soft hands.

On the other hand, with hitting like that, they're not worried as much about preventing runs, perhaps.
   33. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:22 PM (#2077899)
I figure one more of those outfielders is going to be spun into a pitcher. And I concur Upton is going to have to move positions.

It will probably be fun to be Andrew Friedman the next few years.
   34. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:37 PM (#2077903)
For being so young, this is Navarro's 4th MLB team already. This is his last option year, so it's decision time and the Dodgers can't really be knocked for choosing Martin.
   35. bhoov Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:43 PM (#2077909)
How's this:
C Navarro
1B Bankston
2B Cantu
SS Brignac
3B Upton
LF Crawford
CF Baldelli
RF Young
DH Gomes
   36. Sean McNally Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:48 PM (#2077914)
No they can't Ted, but they can be knocked for choosing Hendrickson as their prize for Navarro.
   37. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:48 PM (#2077915)
Mark Hendrickson is one year younger than Derek Lowe. That seems weird to me.
   38. More Indecisive than Lonnie Smith on 2nd... Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:50 PM (#2077918)
I'm not sure how any of this makes sense for LA.

The Dodgers have Martin, sure, who's less than a year older than Navarro. Martin's minors OPS averaged 810 entering the year, with BB>K and decent power potential. Great defense, too.

Navarro had a 755 OPS in the minors (with greater variance), good plate discipline, and less power shown through 2005. Solid defensively.

Hendrickson, outside of 2006, is a 5th starter at best. Even his best AAA season had only 6.65 K/9IP.

Seo is similarly mediocre, but with better WHIP, K-rate, and other peripherals. 2 years younger, too.

Hall is nearly worthless.

So unless the point really was the money (and $1M is chump change in a large market, especially when Coletti gave bundles to Furcal), making the deal to acquire another catcher doesn't even allow the possibility that they're "committing to Martin" by this deal. And it's a downgrade at both positions.

If the goal was to acquire pitching, surely they could have gotten someone better than Hendrickson. At the very least, explore the 3-way trade options to get a pitcher from a third team, sending them one of the Rays' outfielders and Navarro to the Rays. THAT at least isn't flat out STUPID, like this deal.
   39. Jim Wisinski Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:54 PM (#2077920)
1B - xxxxx

More likely than not that will be Bankston, Sean. The transition to 3B isn't going very well for Bankston and with Longoria in the system and Brignac projected to require a position change I'm pretty sure Bankston is just a 1B in the majors.
   40. Old Matt Posted: June 27, 2006 at 08:55 PM (#2077923)
Robothal says:

The Mets have shown interest in re-acquiring Seo, 29, whom they traded to the Dodgers along with reliever Tim Hamulack last January for relievers Duaner Sanchez and Steve Schmoll.
   41. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:01 PM (#2077929)
but they can be knocked for choosing Hendrickson as their prize for Navarro.

I suppose, but what realistic options were out there?
   42. Honkie Kong Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:02 PM (#2077930)
I am trying to think of an organization which might have had experience dealing with SS who receive DUIs and might have some pitching to spare. Why even some left handed pitcher with low strikeout rates but flukishly good overall numbers..
   43. Stately, Plump Buck Mulligan Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:06 PM (#2077934)
It's funny -- wasn't it just a few days ago that we were all talking about how the NL is so much weaker than the AL? And now the Dodgers get ripped -- and Tampa gets praised -- for an interleague trade, with no mention of the strength of the leagues?
   44. Steve Treder Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:10 PM (#2077940)
I suppose, but what realistic options were out there?

If this was the best trade option the Dodgers could have negotiated between now and July 31st (which seems extremely unlikely), than just keeping Navarro would be a far better option. Yes, TB will be his 4th organization, but he's only 22 and has played only 80 games in the majors. He seems like a terrific prospect. What's wrong with having 2 good young catchers on your roster?
   45. DCA Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:19 PM (#2077945)

How's this:
...
SS Brignac


Everything I've heard about Brignac says that he'll need to move to 3B. And there's no way he'll be starting by late 2007. That would fit the Sheffield plan though ... bring up Upton to play 3B, then move him to the OF when Brignac is ready.
   46. Jon W Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:24 PM (#2077949)
44 - I agree. I'd rather have Navarro not pan out than risk the chance I've given away Russell Martin's injury replacement in a trade for a backup catcher/imminently declining pitcher.
   47. Kyle S Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:36 PM (#2077957)
Brignac has almost as many errors as Upton does.
   48. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 27, 2006 at 09:55 PM (#2077978)
How about just letting Upton play shortstop. He has the defensive tools for the position and is still very young. Let him play terrible defense while working with the big league coaches for a season, it's not as if Tampa Bay is going to be contending next season anyway. Worst case scenario, he doesn't improve, he gets moved to the outfield, and you sell Rocco Baldelli to some schmuck.
   49. Kyle S Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:12 PM (#2077991)
I dunno. Having a really terrible defender at a position like SS can be demoralizing. At least in Durham if BJ airmails a throw and costs the Bulls the game, nobody cares. In Tampa, he does that, then SportsCenter makes fun of him, fans boo him, pitchers get frustrated with him, and the pressure might get to him more. I think he's still on pace to make like 60 errors in a 162 game season (he has 26 already, although none in the last several days -- for comparison sake, the MLB leader in errors last year at SS was Edgar Renteria with 30). That would be nearly twice as many as any SS has made in the last 10 years (record is Jose Valentin with 37 in 1996).

Plus while he's hitting alright it's not like he has a 1.000 OPS in Durham or anything. I think it's a good idea to let him stay there. Eventually they'll have to give up on the idea of him playing SS though unless he really gets better.
   50. "Andruw for HoF" sure died down Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:17 PM (#2077994)
Why is LD% not a repeatable skill? It seems Wakefield, Westbrook, Santana, Garland, Lowe, among others, have been fairly decent at keeping their LD% low.
   51. DCA Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:19 PM (#2077996)
He has the defensive tools for the position and is still very young.

There have been cases of guys making 50 errors in the Sally league and getting past it. No player has gone on to play SS in the majors after going through half as many years of Upton-style butchery, without improving at all. I submit that the ability to field and throw a ball cleanly is a tool. And Upton doesn't have it. He's a longshot to even field the position like Offerman, and the sooner he's moved the sooner he can resume his development.
   52. akrasian Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:21 PM (#2077998)
Why is LD% not a repeatable skill?

The problem is that while Hendrickson is at 10.9% this year - he was at 22.1% last year and 19.1% in 2004. This year's numbers scream fluke, iow.
   53. I am Ted F'ing Williams Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:25 PM (#2078003)
Treder,

You're saying it's unlikely there wouldn't be better deals by July 31, but give me some suggestions then! KC and Pitt could use Navarro but have no available pitching better than Hendrickson, and I don't see any other middle-of-the-pack teams so bereft of catching that they'd take a flyer on a raw talent who's essentially already out of options.

I'm with the echo chamber that Tampa the better of the deal, I'm just saying this isn't as bad a deal for LA as some are making it out to be, mostly because I'm not rating Navarro as highly as others.
   54. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:25 PM (#2078005)
Awful deal for LA.
Seems that Ned wanted a starter in the worst way, and that's how he got one.
   55. Steve Treder Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:37 PM (#2078014)
You're saying it's unlikely there wouldn't be better deals by July 31, but give me some suggestions then! KC and Pitt could use Navarro but have no available pitching better than Hendrickson

By waiting until close to the July 31st deadline, LA could:

a) Get a better reading on whether Hendrickson is really this good

b) Play TB, KC, and Pitt against each other

c) See what else they might have to offer other than starting pitching; prospects with options would be better this deal looks to be

The issue remains: why the urgency to move Navarro? Maybe he won't pan out, but 22-year-old catchers with his kind of OBP ability aren't exactly easy to find.

If Hendrickson is any better than Seo, it won't be by much, and at any rate it rates a "big whoop." I'd have laughed at this offer from TB.
   56. Sparkles Peterson Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:40 PM (#2078018)
Aren't the Marlins wanting the trade for Dontrelle Willis to be built around a young catcher? I'm not Dontrelle's biggest fan, but even I will admit that he's a lot better than Hendrickson.
   57. greenback calls it soccer Posted: June 27, 2006 at 10:56 PM (#2078031)
At least in Durham if BJ airmails a throw and costs the Bulls the game, nobody cares. In Tampa, he does that, then SportsCenter makes fun of him, fans boo him, pitchers get frustrated with him, and the pressure might get to him more.

I agree with your general point, but I have a nit to pick. I attended a Nick Neugebauer rehab start in Indianapolis a few years ago. NN walked a couple to load the bases, then gave up a grand slam. The crowd started booing and a group of kids sitting nearby started chanting "We want a pitcher not a bellyitcher."
   58. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: June 27, 2006 at 11:37 PM (#2078119)
I don't think this will turn out as badly as Pedro Martinez for Delino DeShields, but this trade has no upside for the Dodgers and plenty of potential downside. I h8 this trade.
   59. MM1f Posted: June 27, 2006 at 11:57 PM (#2078193)
"

SP - Scott Kazmir, Edwin Jackson, Chuck Tiffany, Jeff Niemann, xxxxx (eventually Wade Townsend, maybe)"


Edwin Jackson is D-U-N .
Its terrible, hes gotten Dewon Brazleton disease or something (minus the personal issues)
   60. Kyle S Posted: June 28, 2006 at 03:56 AM (#2079051)
The crowd started booing and a group of kids sitting nearby started chanting "We want a pitcher not a bellyitcher."

Yeah yeah. I suppose the difference in crowd size isn't all that different between Durham and Tampa Bay too ;)

Still, I can't imagine that minor league crowds have much "memory." The games I've been to, most people are there with their kids for the fireworks and cheap hot dogs, and don't even know which big league team the opponent is part of. So sure maybe you get a mild booing by 2,000 people, but your mistakes don't become lead grafs on the Boston Globe or something.

Anyway, Upton's defense is just too sh***y at this point to merit big league consideration at SS. He's going to have to get better or switch positions.

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