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Friday, July 25, 2014

La Russa: Asterisk for tainted stars

La sterisk, if you will.

La Russa, who managed the White Sox, Athletics and Cardinals between 1979 and 2011, said that because he’s one of the Hall’s six new inductees, he now feels free to state his opinion on the candidacies of the tainted greats of the modern era.

“Treat them all the same,” La Russa said. “If you were a Hall of Famer during that period as far as your pitching and playing, I would create some kind of asterisk, where everybody understands that, ‘Look, we have some questions, but you were still the dominant pitchers and players of your time.’

“We have to acknowledge that that period for about 10 or 12 years, somewhere around the early ‘90s to the early 2000s, was a black spot, a negative mark in our history.”

Vote totals for Clemens, Bonds and McGwire weren’t close to sufficient for election to the Hall last year or this, and went down, with the trio finishing ninth, 10th and 18th, respectively, among players on this year’s ballot.

La Russa said if he had his druthers, all three would be in the Hall.

“I might get voted out of the Hall of Fame with that attitude, but that’s what I believe,” he added with a smile.

...La Russa says he can understand the argument that if there are asterisks for the era’s inducted players, perhaps that should apply to its managers—including him.

“I know that there’s people that have accused me because of some of the guys that helped us win in Oakland and St. Louis, so the only thing I can say is I know 100 percent that our program was absolutely clean for everything that we could control,” he said.

Repoz Posted: July 25, 2014 at 07:25 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Scott Ross Posted: July 25, 2014 at 08:18 AM (#4757427)
Mr. La Russa, your asterisk is here, where shall I put it?
   2. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: July 25, 2014 at 08:22 AM (#4757431)
“I know that there’s people that have accused me because of some of the guys that helped us win in Oakland and St. Louis, so the only thing I can say is I know 100 percent that our program was absolutely clean for everything that we could control,"


Just a wonderful qualification. Always the lawyer, he is.
   3. Jeltzandini Posted: July 25, 2014 at 08:23 AM (#4757432)
Sometimes I feel I've got to (bomp-bomp) run away.
   4. G.W.O. Posted: July 25, 2014 at 08:56 AM (#4757445)
"Our program was absolutely clean for things we cared about, and tested for, which was literally absolutely nothing."
   5. boteman asks Where's My Ring? Posted: July 25, 2014 at 09:42 AM (#4757457)
Why does it have to be Asterisk? FreeSWITCH is much better.
   6. Joey B. Posted: July 25, 2014 at 09:48 AM (#4757463)
I'm pretty sure that the writers don't really care what Tony "The Enabler" LaRussa thinks about anything.
   7. John Northey Posted: July 25, 2014 at 09:53 AM (#4757468)
The 'steroid era' will be known in 50 years about as well as the average modern fan knows about the dead ball, silly ball v1 (1930) and dead ball 2 (late 60's) eras. IE: not at all. To stronger fans it will be an obvious adjustment you need to make to the stats of the era just like in the past eras.

Glad TLR isn't going 'keep them out' as it would sound really, really bad from him given who all was in his clubhouse. The vets though clearly made a statement that they don't care about PED's with TLR being voted in unanimously. We'll see as the PED era greats reach the committee (however it is set up then) but I suspect we'll see Bonds/Clemens/etc. all put in shortly after they get to that stage and the holier than thou writers are no longer able to decide.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 25, 2014 at 10:19 AM (#4757481)
Mr. La Russa, your asterisk is here, where shall I put it?


Right there next to his taint, I'd think.
   9. SoSHially Unacceptable Posted: July 25, 2014 at 10:30 AM (#4757487)
The vets though clearly made a statement that they don't care about PED's with TLR being voted in unanimously. We'll see as the PED era greats reach the committee (however it is set up then) but I suspect we'll see Bonds/Clemens/etc. all put in shortly after they get to that stage and the holier than thou writers are no longer able to decide.


I'd like to think that's what happens, but I don't have confidence the committee will look at it that way.

OTOH, by the time those guys get to the Vet's, if they do, I think there will be some shift in thinking overall, that Clemens and Bonds will be well over 50 percent, if not already in.
   10. Shooty Is Disappointed With His Midstream Urine Posted: July 25, 2014 at 10:38 AM (#4757492)
I'm pretty sure that the writers don't really care what Tony "The Enabler" LaRussa thinks about anything.

I'm pretty sure many of them do. The guy only managed in MLB for a million years and won a handful of pennants and walked into the HOF at the first opportunity. Yeah, no reason anyone should listen to his opinion on the sport.
   11. bobm Posted: July 25, 2014 at 10:43 AM (#4757497)
Asterisk for tainted stars


How ironic.


From wikipedia:

asterisk (*; Late Latin: asteriscus, from Greek: [...] asteriskos, "little star")
   12. puck Posted: July 25, 2014 at 10:52 AM (#4757504)
Why does it have to be Asterisk? FreeSWITCH is much better.

Is it? (I don't follow such things.)
   13. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: July 25, 2014 at 12:03 PM (#4757584)
I'm pretty sure that the writers don't really care what Tony "The Enabler" LaRussa thinks about anything.

Of course they don't. If they did care, they'd be asking him questions and publishing his replies.
   14. winnipegwhip Posted: July 25, 2014 at 01:20 PM (#4757631)
Mr. La Russa, your asterisk is here, where shall I put it?


You can go here at 2AM Monday morning, wake him up in his truck and give it to him.

Zzzzzzzzz. Zzzzzzzzz. HuH!!
   15. Booey Posted: July 25, 2014 at 02:32 PM (#4757681)
The vets though clearly made a statement that they don't care about PED's with TLR being voted in unanimously. We'll see as the PED era greats reach the committee (however it is set up then) but I suspect we'll see Bonds/Clemens/etc. all put in shortly after they get to that stage and the holier than thou writers are no longer able to decide.


But then the holier than thou players like Schilling and Frank Thomas will get to decide instead. I'm not confident the vets will be any more kind to the likes of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, and Sosa than the writers were.
   16. cardsfanboy Posted: July 25, 2014 at 03:44 PM (#4757723)
Glad TLR isn't going 'keep them out' as it would sound really, really bad from him given who all was in his clubhouse.


McGwire and Canseco? Am I missing anyone? (Ryan Franklin was after his positive test) It's not like he is Joe Torre who had Arod, Lawton and Manny.

People act like he had this entire culture where 25 players were injecting each other in the ass in between pitches. It was two public known guys over a 20+ year career.

   17. cardsfanboy Posted: July 25, 2014 at 03:46 PM (#4757727)
But then the holier than thou players like Schilling and Frank Thomas will get to decide instead. I'm not confident the vets will be any more kind to the likes of Bonds, Clemens, McGwire, and Sosa than the writers were.


I'm fairly certain that the players will be less kind than the writers, the vets committee has always tried to find ways to keep players out, not to include them. Unless you had a force like Frisch that was controlling the committee, you can expect any form of the players committee to just induct the guys who were real close on the ballot (Other words, we'll see Jack Morris in, before we ever see them inducting a guy like Clemens)

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