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Thursday, August 21, 2014

LA Times: Angels’ Garrett Richards Suffers Knee Injury in Win Over Red Sox

He was exciting to watch this season, hope he recovers quickly.

Richards sprinted from the mound toward first to receive a relay from shortstop Erick Aybar, but as he approached the bag, he caught his right cleat in the dirt, and his knee buckled.

Richards crumpled to the ground, where he remained for about eight minutes while athletic trainers worked to mobilize his leg. The entire Angels team circled around the right hander as he was placed on a stretcher and carted off the field.

Their best options at triple-A Salt Lake are left-hander Wade LeBlanc, who is 10-3 with a 4.00 ERA in 21 starts, left-hander Randy Wolf, who is 5-2 with a 4.68 ERA in 11 starts or right-hander Chris Volstad, who is 2-1 with a 5.45 ERA.

They shouldn’t see much of a drop-off going to LeBlanc or Wolf.  Right?

Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:25 AM | 51 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Dale Sams Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:51 AM (#4776084)
while athletic trainers worked to mobilize his leg


I got nuthin.
   2. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:55 AM (#4776086)
I saw that too. What the what? Did he read what he wrote?
   3. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:27 AM (#4776090)
I was at the game and it's hard not to think this is anything other than a serious injury. There was no contact, he just crumpled. I hope he's OK but I wouldn't be hopeful.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:29 AM (#4776091)
I wonder who's cleared waivers that they might go for.
   5. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:32 AM (#4776092)
mo-bi-lize in Medicine

mobilize mo·bi·lize (m?'b?-l?z')


v. mo·bi·lized , mo·bi·liz·ing , mo·bi·liz·es


1.To make mobile or capable of movement.


2.To restore the power of motion to a joint.


3.To release into the body, as glycogen from the liver.


http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/mobilize

   6. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:33 AM (#4776093)
Jose - by quickly I meant 2015. I expect him to be gone for the rest of 2014. I dislocated my patella in 2009 and then did something to it again in 2013. At first I thought it was the same thing and just rested for a day or three and it just didn't respond similarly. The 2nd injury was a patellar tendon issue. My range of motion is still weird....

But I'm over 40 and heavy - so there's that.

Regardless, he's been so fun to watch, that it's just a shame.
   7. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:36 AM (#4776095)
Vortex - I think he meant immobilize though. To be able to move Richards without this knee moving about and getting injured further. Or maybe I'm completely wrong and trainers were trying to get it to move because it had seized up from the injury?
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:39 AM (#4776096)
I haven't actually seen the video of the incident (I'm squeamish about that sort of thing), so I don't know for certain. Your explanation makes sense, but the word does have a medical terminology that could be applicable if they were trying to get the leg to move. As I said, I didn't see the video, so I'm not sure exactly what the medical staff were trying to do. I just wanted to point out that the word does have medical, as well as military, meanings.
   9. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:49 AM (#4776097)
I won't watch it either. I accidentally hit play on my phone and stopped right as it appears he started to go down. I knew about the multiple meanings - but it always seems that they try to "stabilize" an injury - which equates to immobilize to me. But nonetheless, they were working on him for 7-8 minutes on a knee injury. It's a serious injury. No doubt.

Bummer.
   10. Shredder Posted: August 21, 2014 at 02:01 AM (#4776101)
This is obviously brutal, but not a death blow. Dayn Perry just wrote a good piece at Eye On Baseball about this, but he had about seven starts left. Assume the Angels would have won five of those. A guy like Randy Wolf replaces him, and they probably win worst case two of those starts (they're .556 in games that Richards doesn't start). That's a difference of three games, and they lead the A's by two in the loss column. This could be a really tough break (depending on the seriousness), but it probably harms their chances in the post season more than it harms their chances of making the post season.

That said, it makes winning the division a huge priority, bigger than before, while also making it harder. If the Mariners or Tigers take a wild card spot, they very well could face King Felix or Scherzer. Richards was their only ace who could match up in a one game playoff. Best case WC scenario, the Tigers win the Central, the Royals outlast the M's, and the Angels get the Royals in the one game playoff without a true ace. If that one game playoff were today, I'd give the ball to Hector Santiago, who has been lights out in the last month. But certainly not with a lot of confidence.
   11. DKDC Posted: August 21, 2014 at 07:40 AM (#4776128)
Ubaldo Jimenez is available.
   12. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 21, 2014 at 08:30 AM (#4776145)
I haven't actually seen the video of the incident (I'm squeamish about that sort of thing), so I don't know for certain.


It's not actually that ugly from the couple of replays I saw. He's running, he's running, then he falls down. There's no Theisman moment (at least they didn't show one on the scoreboard last night if there was). What makes it disturbing is the recognition of what resulted.
   13. AROM Posted: August 21, 2014 at 09:22 AM (#4776169)
This is obviously brutal, but not a death blow. Dayn Perry just wrote a good piece at Eye On Baseball about this, but he had about seven starts left. Assume the Angels would have won five of those. A guy like Randy Wolf replaces him, and they probably win worst case two of those starts (they're .556 in games that Richards doesn't start). That's a difference of three games, and they lead the A's by two in the loss column. This could be a really tough break (depending on the seriousness), but it probably harms their chances in the post season more than it harms their chances of making the post season.


Regular season, that seems more like worst case scenario. If he's worth 3 wins over the replacement in just 7 games, that's a pace of 14 WAR per 33 starts. I love Richards, hope this is less serious than it appears, and losing him is a huge blow. But he's not Dwight Gooden 1985. One thing to keep in mind is that if the SLC starters are really, really horrible, even if there is no forthcoming trade, Richards turn will only come up twice before rosters expand. After that, Scioscia can make regular use of bullpen games, bringing in a fresh arm every inning or 2.

As for the postseason, yeah, it really hurts. Losing GR might realistically cost you 1-2 games, but that could be the difference between having HFA in the first round of the playoffs, or facing Max Scherzer/David Price/King Felix in a single game elimination.
   14. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 09:23 AM (#4776172)
Mobilize is obviously the wrong word, you would pretty much never want to move around an injured joint or fracture. Watch the video, nothing happens, his knee buckles when he is turning to look for the throw from 2nd and he falls down. No odd angle, and certainly nothing like the Shaun Livingston injury that happened in the NBA a few years back.

And the performance by the Red Sox personnel getting him off the field was absolutely pathetic. They took a long ass time getting a cart out there, then realized they had the wrong stretcher on the cart, took a long ass time getting the correct stretcher, didn't end up stabilizing the knee with a brace after looking at a few for a minute or two, then when they went to raise the stretcher from it's lowest position to wheeling around height they ###### up and almost dumped him on his head.
   15. TDF, situational idiot Posted: August 21, 2014 at 10:18 AM (#4776214)
Dayn Perry just wrote a good piece at Eye On Baseball about this, but he had about seven starts left. Assume the Angels would have won five of those. A guy like Randy Wolf replaces him, and they probably win worst case two of those starts (they're .556 in games that Richards doesn't start).
That's completely different than the way I read Wolf's piece. The complete quote:
This season, the Angels have played .566 ball when Richards hasn't started. Basically, they're a little better than the Royals when someone besides Richards is their starting pitcher. Scale that out over the remainder of the season, and the Angels get to between 95 and 96 wins and almost certainly make the playoffs.
They're at 75-50 now; to get to 96-66 they'd have to win 21 out of 37 games, or...play .566 ball the rest of the way. Perry's math assumes whoever they get to replace Richards will pitch as well as the other non-Richards starters have this year. That's just sloppy.
   16. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 21, 2014 at 10:48 AM (#4776249)
Apparently it's a patellar tendon injury, possibly a rupture, which means it's likely to require surgery. That tendon connects the kneecap to the shinbone and it's crucial to full use of the leg.

Having recently had a knee injury repaired myself, I don't hold much hope for him returning the season.
   17. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2014 at 10:50 AM (#4776253)
They're at 75-50 now; to get to 96-66 they'd have to win 21 out of 37 games, or...play .566 ball the rest of the way. Perry's math assumes whoever they get to replace Richards will pitch as well as the other non-Richards starters have this year. That's just sloppy.
I was going to right just this. The presumptive replacement for Richards is Randy Wolf. Does anyone here want to assume Randy F. Wolf, he of the 73 ERA+ since 2012, is going to be even an average MLB pitcher?

The Angels have already lost Skaggs and now Richards. Weaver and Wilson have been shaky, and Shoemaker and Santiago have gone 7 innings once the last two months combined. The Angel bullpen has been excellent, but way overused; Richards was their one day of rest a week and now they don't have that. Huston Street, for instance, pitched for the sixth time in seven days last night. Most everyone in the pen — Grilli, Smith, Jepsen, Salas — are already pitching two of every three games. With only two days off for the next month and change, that pen could easily burn out.

No, losing Richards is not a death blow, but replacing Richards with a Wolf-level starter has an effect beyond just winning or losing that day's start. If the team slumps and the A's simply maintain and Seattle and Detroit get hot, the Angels could easily find themselves missing the playoffs by a game or three.
   18. Shredder Posted: August 21, 2014 at 11:15 AM (#4776278)
They're at 75-50 now; to get to 96-66 they'd have to win 21 out of 37 games, or...play .566 ball the rest of the way. Perry's math assumes whoever they get to replace Richards will pitch as well as the other non-Richards starters have this year. That's just sloppy.
Well, first of all, it's Dayn Perry's piece, not "Wolf's", but that's nitpicking. I think you're making way too much of this. At most, we're talking about maybe one or two games difference, still not enough to take them out of the post-season (but possibly the division, which was going to be up for grabs anyway). They have 37 games left. Richards pitched last night, so unless they were going to juggle him to get him on short rest, that means they have 30 games left to be started by the other four guys who have been the in the rotation in the recent past. If they go .556 in those starts, that's about 17 wins, which gets them to 92. If they go even 2-5 in the seven starts that Richards will miss, they win 94 games. That's easily enough for a wild card, and still may be good enough to win the division.

Now, a lot of other things that are completely unrelated to Richards' injury could sink them. They're outplaying their pythag by a couple games, and the A's and Mariners are each underperforming vs/ their pythags, so any reversion to the mean over the last month and half could mean either of those teams winning a lot of games, or the Angels losing a bit more than expected (or both). But if they get to even 92 wins, the only way the miss at least a WC spot is if the Mariners go 24-12 AND the Tigers go 24-14 the rest of the way. I don't think that's particularly likely.
   19. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 11:18 AM (#4776280)
After that, Scioscia can make regular use of bullpen games, bringing in a fresh arm every inning or 2.


I wish I had the confidence that Scioscia would play it out that way. I just don't. He's going to ride a "5th starter" for 6 innings every 5 days regardless and put the team in a hole doing so.

Does anyone here want to assume Randy F. Wolf, he of the 73 ERA+ since 2012, is going to be even an average MLB pitcher?


Much like AROM proposed, I really hope they use Roth and LeBlanc for 3 innings each every 5 days. Then, depending on score you use your good bullpen arms, or your less good bullpen arms - or a guy like Wolf to take one for the team.

Huston Street, for instance, pitched for the sixth time in seven days last night. Most everyone in the pen — Grilli, Smith, Jepsen, Salas — are already pitching two of every three games. With only two days off for the next month and change, that pen could easily burn out.


This also should be the mantra of all Angel fans. That pen is stupendous now, and looking to get taxed beyond recognition for the next 6 weeks.

   20. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: August 21, 2014 at 11:19 AM (#4776281)
No, losing Richards is not a death blow, but replacing Richards with a Wolf-level starter has an effect beyond just winning or losing that day's start. If the team slumps and the A's simply maintain and Seattle and Detroit get hot, the Angels could easily find themselves missing the playoffs by a game or three.


"If" is doing some heavy lifting there. They are 7.5 games up on Seattle for the second wild card spot right now. If they play .400 baseball the rest of the year the Mariners would need to play .610 baseball just to catch them. I suspect I wrote something similar about the 2011 Red Sox so I would never make any absolute declarations but I would be shocked if they weren't playing meaningful baseball after the regular season is over.

I think the bigger concern with the loss of Richards is the division which obviously has value given the potential of Price/Scherzer/Felix types lurking as the likely opponent in a WC game situation.
   21. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2014 at 11:25 AM (#4776288)
"If" is doing some heavy lifting there. They are 7.5 games up on Seattle for the second wild card spot right now. If they play .400 baseball the rest of the year the Mariners would need to play .610 baseball just to catch them. I suspect I wrote something similar about the 2011 Red Sox so I would never make any absolute declarations but I would be shocked if they weren't playing meaningful baseball after the regular season is over.
Epic collapses don't happen often, but they happen. I'm still not over 1995, so I'm not going to rule out catastrophe. And like I said above, there's now an excellent chance of ruining that bullpen. If the offense continues to struggle, you could very easily see a sub-.500 stretch coming up.

I think the bigger concern with the loss of Richards is the division which obviously has value given the potential of Price/Scherzer/Felix types lurking as the likely opponent in a WC game situation.
This is obviously the kicker. Even if the Angels get into the postseason, the chances of going to the World Series have gone from "as good as anyone" to "not much."
   22. Shredder Posted: August 21, 2014 at 11:28 AM (#4776291)
The Angel bullpen has been excellent, but way overused; Richards was their one day of rest a week and now they don't have that. Huston Street, for instance, pitched for the sixth time in seven days last night. Most everyone in the pen — Grilli, Smith, Jepsen, Salas — are already pitching two of every three games.
I guess I'm less concerned about this than you guys. They've had a run of a lot of really close games the last month or so. Since the All-Star break, 16 of their 31 games have been decided by one run, including two 12 inning games, a 13 inning game, a 16 inning game, and a 19 inning game. Eight more have been decided by two runs. Compare that to the prior 31 games right before the All-Star break, when only 7 were decided by one run, and five by two runs (plus an extra inning game in Atlanta that they lost by five). With the rosters expanding, just three or four blowouts (in either direction) are practically like off days for the bullpen. It's certainly a concern, but not one that I'd overestimate.
Epic collapses don't happen often, but they happen.
An epic collapse is not likely to be dependent on the loss of one guy who plays once every five days.
   23. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:19 PM (#4776344)
Possible replacements?

I'm thinking Edwin Jackson, Bartolo Colon, Kyle Kendrick, John Danks, Erik Bedard....someone like that? I'm horrendous at understanding the August trade market, though.
   24. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:21 PM (#4776348)
The Angels have the best record at the moment, so anyone chasing them can put a claim in waivers before they can. Jon Niese is the only notable name that's already cleared waivers, but I'm not sure the Angels have anything that would get the Mets to move him.
   25. shoelesjoe Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4776360)
Ubaldo Jimenez is available.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:34 PM (#4776362)
Jon Niese is the only notable name that's already cleared waiver

HTF did Jon Niese clear waivers?
   27. McCoy Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:42 PM (#4776372)
God, let it be Edwin Jackson.
   28. JJ1986 Posted: August 21, 2014 at 12:57 PM (#4776381)
Jon Niese is the only notable name that's already cleared waivers, but I'm not sure the Angels have anything that would get the Mets to move him.


The Mets need shortstops and outfielders with middle-of-the-order bats. The two Angels prospects who looked interesting to me - Borenstein and Rondon - have already been traded.
   29. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:02 PM (#4776387)
HTF did Jon Niese clear waivers?
I suspect it's the $16 million he's owed the next two years. It doesn't seem like THAT much for a league-average pitcher, but he's not exactly a bargain and most good teams have back-end guys who are just about as good for less money.
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:10 PM (#4776394)
I suspect it's the $16 million he's owed the next two years. It doesn't seem like THAT much for a league-average pitcher, but he's not exactly a bargain and most good teams have back-end guys who are just about as good for less money.

I guess, but he sure looks like an upgrade in the back of the rotation for Sea., Pitt., Mil., NYY, etc.
   31. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:25 PM (#4776404)
I absolutely refuse to watch this play (just like I refused to watch the Paul George injury or that poor college kid who snapped his leg during the NCAA tournament), but all I can says is godspeed and a full recovery to Garrett Richards, and my sympathies to Halos fans. Ugh, ugh, ugh, ugh.
   32. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:40 PM (#4776415)
I guess, but he sure looks like an upgrade in the back of the rotation for Sea., Pitt., Mil., NYY, etc.
It may be that he had been stinking it up since a stint on the DL. A little better lately, but if you're looking for immediate help, Niese might not be that guy.

Plus, like I said before and JJ196 noted, the Angels don't have the personnel to trade for Niese.
   33. jdennis Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:48 PM (#4776421)
As I watched it I thought it was a dislocated hip. The fact that it's apparently a patellar tendon is actually better than I expected.
   34. JAHV Posted: August 21, 2014 at 01:51 PM (#4776426)
The Angels really just need innings of moderate quality from their relatively unimportant relievers. Weaver isn't effective past the 5th inning lately. CJ Wilson consistently finds himself at 80 pitches in the 4th inning. Shoemaker and Santiago have been surprisingly decent (Shoemaker early in the season, Santiago lately), but neither is a workhorse. All of which (combined with several protracted extra inning games as mentioned above) has led to heavy workloads for the bullpen arms.

Whoever replaces Richards, whether it be one guy or a couple guys throwing a few innings each, needs to get through six innings and keep the game reasonable. September 1st can't get here quickly enough.
   35. Spahn Insane Posted: August 21, 2014 at 02:36 PM (#4776465)
God, let it be Edwin Jackson.

I'd love to see that, but I'd sooner take my chances on a AAA arm (or even whatshisname at AA who seems to have better numbers than anyone in the AAA rotation).
   36. AROM Posted: August 21, 2014 at 02:56 PM (#4776487)
SLC is one of several Coors fields in the Pacific coast league. Arkansas is one of the better, if not the best, pitcher's parks in the Texas league. So usually their worst starter in AA will have better numbers than the best one in AAA.
   37. AROM Posted: August 21, 2014 at 03:01 PM (#4776491)
Matt Shoemaker knows that as well as anybody. His minor league career numbers:

AA 156 innings, 2.48 ERA
AAA 423 IP, 5.38 ERA

In AA he walked 2.0 and struck out 7.4 per 9. In AAA those numbers were only a little bit worse, 2.2 BB and 7.0 K. Just a big difference in what happens when you allow contact in each of those environments.
   38. Comic Strip Person Posted: August 21, 2014 at 03:34 PM (#4776513)
I ruptured my quad tendon in January; the quad tendon is the top half of the tendon that holds the kneecap in place, and the patellar tendon is the bottom half. I was watching the game, and when they first showed the injury, I was sure that he had ruptured one of those two. The way the leg gave out, the bulge above the knee, and oh, the screaming pain all were completely reminiscent.
I'm no athlete, but my surgeon is the orthopedist for a college here in the Chicago area, and he indicated my surgery and post-surgical was typical. The surgery is to sew the tendon back to the kneecap. After surgery the leg needs to be immobilized (usually 6 weeks) and then a gradual build-up of therapy. I'm not as dedicated in my rehab as Richards will be, but I still can't run. I can jog lightly. My doc said that full recovery is a year, even for athletes.
I hope Richards is able to accelerate that timeline, but unless it's a totally different injury, he's done for this year for sure.
   39. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 21, 2014 at 03:47 PM (#4776525)
Comic Strip Person is correct. And there's a LOT of pain involved.
   40. The District Attorney Posted: August 21, 2014 at 04:52 PM (#4776585)
Alex Speier @alexspeier

Garrett Richards will have surgery next week on torn left patellar tendon. Expected out 6-9 months
   41. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: August 21, 2014 at 06:05 PM (#4776652)
[40] Just heard it on the radio. Pretty much the worst-case scenario has come to pass.
   42. Moses Taylor, Moses Taylor Posted: August 21, 2014 at 06:37 PM (#4776667)
I absolutely refuse to watch this play (just like I refused to watch the Paul George injury or that poor college kid who snapped his leg during the NCAA tournament)

This injury doesn't even register on the ick scale of those, or the Theisman one, or Ventura or Kendall or any other one that can be evoked simply by naming it. It's more like say either one of Derrick Rose's knee injuries, or any random knee injury in the NFL on an average day. The reaction is more of a "Damn, that sucks and probably hurts" vs. vomiting all over yourself and refusing to ever watch it again.
   43. ckash Posted: August 21, 2014 at 07:07 PM (#4776683)
Did the same to my left knee 14 years ago playing basketball. It was a grueling rehab and it took me years to have any confidence in planting or cutting on the knee. I was watching the game when he went down and it brought a tear to my eye, because I suspected he had done the same thing.
   44. madvillain Posted: August 21, 2014 at 07:12 PM (#4776685)
This injury doesn't even register on the ick scale of those, or the Theisman one, or Ventura or Kendall or any other one that can be evoked simply by naming it. It's more like say either one of Derrick Rose's knee injuries, or any random knee injury in the NFL on an average day. The reaction is more of a "Damn, that sucks and probably hurts" vs. vomiting all over yourself and refusing to ever watch it again.


Yea, it wasn't that bad. He just kinda went down.
   45. Cargo Cultist Posted: August 21, 2014 at 07:21 PM (#4776693)
Pretty much the worst-case scenario has come to pass.


Not at all. This is a season-ending injury. He could have gotten one that ended his entire career.
   46. A New Leaf Awakens (Black Hawk Reign of Terror) Posted: August 22, 2014 at 05:16 AM (#4776875)
As Angels fans, we are accustomed to injuries far worse than ending a player's season. A season-ending injury can be overcome.

But the real problem is that there are only two more off-days this season. The position players are going to be run down, the relief pitchers, especially now, are going to be run down. Given where the team is now, making the postseason is still likely, but making any noise in the postseason is not. Oh well. Still an improvement over last year, where at this point I was begging for the beginning of football.
   47. Shredder Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:15 PM (#4779076)
On second thought, the Angels just may go 0-7 in the games that Richards will miss.
   48. Jim (jimmuscomp) Posted: August 25, 2014 at 11:31 PM (#4779089)
Seriously, Shredder.

LeBlanc looked HORRID. But, I didn't expect him to be good, but 5 innings of 4-run ball? Nope. 3.1 of 7-run ball. Against the Marlins.

Yuk.
   49. The District Attorney Posted: August 26, 2014 at 06:26 PM (#4779583)
   50. AROM Posted: August 26, 2014 at 06:48 PM (#4779601)
Next up, I guess, will be Joey from friends.

That LeBlanc might at least bring some luck, as he is friends with Marcel the original rally monkey.
   51. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: August 26, 2014 at 10:48 PM (#4779715)
This injury doesn't even register on the ick scale of those


I believe Dave Dravecky would hold this infamous title. Though the recent cancer he had removed in the arm played a huge role in his arm....er, giving away. NOT for the squeamish....

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