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But they're getting better at it every day.
Has anybody seen A-Rod's May :)
AB 88
2B 3
HR 5
RBI 10
AVG 0.250
OBP 0.371
SLG 0.455
Aee, he can't do it when it matters. :)
Pansy ass April primadona.
I can see the headlines already!
Yeah, but Yankees fans are the only ones who boo their team when they play like crap.
Important caveat: I have never been to a Phillies game.
The latter - applauding great plays by the visiting team - I can also attest to. It's been that way at Fenway as far back as I can remember.
From the Yankees fans, I'm curious to find out if that's typical behavior at The Stadium. I honestly don't know. Is Cabrera correct?
Draft picks. Stupid system rewards teams that sign one free agent and lose another. The swap of first rounders evens out but the teams active in the free agent swap are rewarded with supplemental picks.
I'm sure this happens at other stadiums, too-- I'm not making some special game for Red Sox fans. I just get annoyed when Joe Buck and/or Jon Miller point out how quiet Fenway has gotten and suggest they've lost interest or been taken out of the game or something.
Agreed, I think Phils fans are by far the worst in terms of booing their own. Yankees fans are bad, but Sox fans deserve special mention for the odious booing of Foulke and Bellhorn in 2005.
That was awful, but booing Rivera-- even if it did't happen (so far as I know) in, say, the 2001 regular season-- is in roughly the same category, I think.
Most of us make judgments about how much cheering or booing goes on from television - one of the problems here is that a disproportionate number of the microphones picking up crowd noise are in the far-out CF stands - the bleachers, in most stadia.
Therefore, viewers at home are influenced by "crowd noise", when it's really a very narrow demographic of game attendees.
Attending games at Yankee Stadium is a completely different audio experience than experiencing them on YES. I've witnessed fans applauding good plays by the other team, where I've never heard this on TV.
I'm sure there are lots of examples of this sort of idiocy on both sides (and quite possibly for other teams as well), but this still makes me ill.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwBa3XA3Sl4
UT/OU and UT/A&M games can get out of hand a little bit, but there's never anything close to that. It's one thing to yell at random people off the top of your head. It's quite another to systematically surround someone, block their view of the game, and ridicule them with a memorized song.
(EDIT: This is in response to #17.)
If Cabrera had seen them with their Thundersticks, he wouldn't say that.
Last year at McAfee I booed Javy Lopez and yelled "WE WANT DOUGIE" everytime he came up.
I think I've told this story before, but when I was about 7, my mom and I sat in the centerfield bleachers at Fenway during a Rangers/Sox game. We had been warned not to cheer very much at all for the Rangers, but we were both wearing hats. A little while after we sat down, a drunk guy behind us leaned down and said "You're lucky you're a lady and her kid."
The fact that you would even have to think that, much less feel the need to say it, means you've gone overboard.
Sure, I laughed at the crying 8 year-old Sooner fan on TV during last year's game. So did everyone in the bar I was watching the game at. But that's a far cry from screaming in a kid's face.
So the ushers at Yankee Stadium make sure that people don't move around during God Bless America, but they stand by and watch that systematic abuse of fans?
That's all kinds of f*cked-up.
One incident shouldn't be used to indict entire populations, I know, and such behavior is alien to any of the Yanks fans on this board. Still, you can pretty much guess how I feel about Cabrera's comments.
One incident shouldn't be used to indict entire populations, I know, and such behavior is alien to any of the Yanks fans on this board. Still, you can pretty much guess how I feel about Cabrera's comments.
It's hard to rape when somebody doens't own a penis.
But it really does depend on where you sit. The last game I went to at Fenway, I thought I was in mortal danger after Papelbon blew the save. But we were sitting in a section with a lot of season ticket holders, a fair number of families and couples. There was some taunting, but all good-natured. And when I went to Yankee Stadium last year, the upper deck weekend day game crowd was really friendly with me. I was all by my lonesome, and they kept me company with good-natured teasing.
Did I mention I was there with my mom? That was lot of fun.
I'm sick of hearing from Bostonians that they are much classier and better behaved than New Yorkers in general. I live in Boston, and the citizens there aren't going to win "Nicest City in America" anytime soon.
But it's not just Boston. Fact is, there are a$$holes everywhere in this country. They'll be on the road with you, behind you in the supermarket and at local sporting events. And they aren't penned in to any particular city. Any attempt to put your locale above any other place is just an obnoxious pissing contest.
Hell, even in Buffalo - where people are almost Canadian - a bunch of drunk Bills fans beat up some guy for wearing his Patriot gear in the stadium. Granted, he shouldn't have taken the last Tim Horton's danish (we're protective of our pastries) but still...
I'm not saying that all Yankee fans are morons*, just that, if you're a semi-dangerous moron looking for a baseball team to root for, then you are part of the Yankees' key demographic.
*Quite the contrary, as many Yankee fans, particularly around here, are thoughtful and humane.
Yeah.
I also didn't find either of the YouTube videos scary, but that might just be me.
I'm not saying that all Yankee fans are morons*, just that, if you're a semi-dangerous moron looking for a baseball team to root for, then you are part of the Yankees' key demographic.
Agreed. I adore most of the Yankees' fans here at BTF. It's the Yankees' fans who live nearby, here in MA, that, to a person, are arrogant jerks. They tell me they aren't worried about the team's current record because every good ballplayer wants to be a Yankee, and the Yankees will either trade for them or sign them when they become FA's. Because that's what the Yankees do. I don't think Red Sox fans share that attitude about the team they root for. The Red Sox may be successful in some signings (Matsuzaka), but the fanbase doesn't take it for granted that they'll always get who they're after. Not like Yankees fans I know.
Can we expect a press release from Steinbrenner blaming the umps today?
AB 88
2B 3
HR 5
RBI 10
AVG 0.250
OBP 0.371
SLG 0.455
Huzzah! Dave Winfield's nickname is safe!
Fenway fans are the ones who chanted "Shake! Shake!" at Jim Eisenreich. Angels fans leaned over the right field wall and pounded it to distract Reggie Sanders in the World Series, including the guy who thwacked him in the back with thundersticks. There's more than enough churlishness and misbehavior to go around.
You didn't find two teenage boys being surrounded by loud (and obviously drunk) men, screaming and pointing at them in unison, yelling taunts about their sexuality, as "scary"?
Often the bullier, never the bullied, were you?
Often the bullier, never the bullied, were you?
There might be objections to their use of homosexuality as a taunt or what have you, but otherwise, it seemed like good natured joking to me. Nothing about it seemed threatening. And at 5'8.5'', I've never done TOO much bullying myself.
Smaller.
Surrounded.
Taunted.
Loudly.
It's a tea party!
It's just differences in regional cultures. I've lived in the south for awhile now and that behavior was completely foreign to me. You would NEVER see that type of taunting at Turner Field. But I can easily see how someone from NY would view the taunting as harmless.
There might be objections to their use of homosexuality as a taunt or what have you, but otherwise, it seemed like good natured joking to me. Nothing about it seemed threatening. And at 5'8.5'', I've never done TOO much bullying myself.
I think it's a little more then just good natured joking to surround these guys and flail arms in their faces and so on. Heckling and talking crap back and forth to one another is one thing, but these guys paid for their seats and have the right to an enjoyable experience like everybody else, no matter what team they're rooting for.
Eight or ten guys standing around them, throwing arms inches from their face while singing "Why are you gay?" is not any sort of good-natured to me -- it's just malice. If it was good natured, why were the singling out the non-Yankee fans in their section?
And the ushers at Yankee stadium are absolutely apathetic, and pathetic. I guess when you're moving that many bodies every year you sort of have to learn not to take much ####, but they don't listen to fans whatsoever, don't really pay attention to the details of what their job is, don't handle in-game situations.. they pretty much make sure you get to your seat without pissing anybody off and follow the ballparks pre-set standard obligatinos (IE -- God Bless America nonsense). I've been in a lot of different ballparks and arenas in a lot of different sports and the response from the people who WORK FOR the team has not been as bad anywhere else. Not even close.
And finally, so far as the team goes, as a Yankee fan, I don't have the expectation that they win every game. I think some -- check that, a majority of Yankee fans might, but I am not apart of that. I do, however, expect the team to try (and care) about every game. And when you have prominent ex-teammates going public in stating that there are only a small handful of guys in that clubhouse who actually try or care in every game, then I have a problem, and that's where I am with this team right now. I get the impression that they're playing pretty bad, and just don't care, literally.
Philly fans are tough on their teams. Friends who are from the town and longtime fans think this is in part a creation of the media--ESPN, Sports Illustrated, and the hideous talk radio--and that Philly fans weren't really that boo-happy until the papers started running so many stories about how much Philly fans boo. Now, fans think it's their job, or a part of their culture, even if it's a pretty new "tradition."
Aside from the handful of idiots who charge the umpires, White Sox fans are a lot of fun. Earthy and sometimes profane but a lot of serious game-watchers, since the casual folks have another outlet to pursue up the road.
Well, the poster never said it was good natured. I'm sure many of the bleacher creatures would proudly admit the taunting isn't good natured. The behavior is kind of malicious but that's just the cultural logic of the space. The poster said, "Nothing about it seemed threatening," which I can see as plausible if he's talking about physical harm. Again, it's just a different cultural mindset, which the Met fan in the video understands and engages by dancing along to the taunts.
Well, if it's a cultural mindset I am just curious as to how far reaching or valid it is besides drunken idiots at ball games, y'know?
I live in the same state that the Yankees play, albeit it some hours away, and idea of what playful/not-threatening taunting is is different to me then that.
I think a paying fan has a right to a certain level of respect at a game. In the same breath, I think there's a limit to that, too.
There was a time I was sitting in the student section in the end zone of a college football game, and a older guy had bought tickets about eight rows behind the student section in a stadium that was otherwise about 40% full. It's tradition for the student section to stand the entire game -- that's just what we do, and this guy felt it necessary to stand up and scream at the 2,000 or so drunken kids to "sit down and enjoy the game like everybody else." When they didn't comply, and when the Usher said there was nothing he could do, the guy started a personal \"#### you" chant to the students of the team he was rooting for, and then half-way through the 3rd quarter demanded that every single one of us had our tickets checked, which resulted in him displacing a couple hundred fans who were like two sections down or something. The part with that sort of thing that bothers me is that he could have gotten up and moved to better seats at the 50 yard line in this stadium and nobody would have cared.
When interacting with other people at the ballpark or the Arena, sports can be amazing or just really unenjoyable. I've probably met some of the coolest, and worst people that I can think of in the same places.
How far reaching? I have zero clue. Valid? Who cares, it's their space, as long as they don't hurt anyone physically, they can do whatever the hell they want to. I thought the taunting was immature and stupid (although the guy dancing to the taunts was funny), but the fans there should be able to do whatever they want. And consumers, in response, can choose not to seat there if such behavior bothers them.
I saw no good natured joking in that video. Seeing that made me embarrassed to be a Yankee fan, to be a New Yorker, and to be a male.
I live in the same state, same borough, probably about 15-20 minutes away and I would say it is entirely non-threatening. Had I been one of the persons being serenaded, I probably would have been pissed I'm not getting to see the game, but at no point would I have felt scared that something violent or truly malicious was about to take place. Different standards, I guess.
Paying customer or not, a person has a right to not be maliciously harassed wherever they are.
This is not true.
How are you supposed which seats are going to be occupied by drunken ########?
Yeah, I was exaggerating a bit but I'm sure you get the drift of the post: free speech should be protected with the usual exceptions (e.g. yelling fire in a theater, hate crimes regulations). Obviously, they can't disrupt play (minus Jeffry Maier), etc.
How are you supposed which seats are going to be occupied by drunken ########?
Well, if you wear non-yankee gear any where at Yankee Stadium, I'm sure people will yell crap at you (e.g. "Team X SUCKS"). Free speech means people will occassionally say stuff to you that you don't like. But I'm assuming the pack like behavior of surrounding the offender and taunting him or her maliciously with homophoic slurs is specific to the bleachers. And again, as a consumer, you can simply choose to sit somewhere else if you don't want to put up with that idiocy.
Well, if you wear non-yankee gear any where at Yankee Stadium, I'm sure people will yell crap at you (e.g. "Team X SUCKS"). Free speech means people will occassionally say stuff to you that you don't like. But I'm assuming the pack like behavior of surrounding the offender and taunting him or her maliciously with homophoic slurs is specific to the bleachers. And again, as a consumer, you can simply choose to sit somewhere else if you don't want to put up with that idiocy.
The incident in question appears to me to be somewhere in the upper deck.
I've sat in the upper deck in a section behind Red Sox fans before. We treated them fine. I mean, each case is it's own individually, but I don't know. I don't think there's a specific place in the stadium where that type of behavior should be considered expected, or ok...
Sit somewhere else.
No, I'm pretty sure that's the bleachers. If I'm wrong, I'll stand corrected though.
The victims should not have to move.
This is fascinating. It seems the bleachers at Yankee Stadium are actually the Embassy for the Republic of Moronistan. U.S. law doesn't apply there.
Oh. Good to know. I'll steer clear.
One question: does it say on your ticket to the embassy that you will be subject to mass, idiotic, homophobic harassment and that you will have no recourse? 'cause they might want to add that to the fine print.
Would you suggest the black customers suck it up and move sections?
Living in a democracy means sometimes you don't get your way. If it bothers you this much, start a campaign to buy up bleacher tickets with people who don't engage in moronic behavior.
Would you suggest the black customers suck it up and move sections?
See post 65. And I might recommend seeking legal counsel to see if there are grounds for a civil suit, but I am not a lawyer. I know there are plenty of lawyers on BTF, feel free to weigh in. In any case, I'm sure the NAACP would be very interested in the matter.
Rumsfeld, is that you?
What does that even mean?
Since when has democracy meant the freedom for one group of people to be conniving ######## towards two other people? If anything, belittling and patronizing the minority and making it their responsibility to seek out resolution is markedly undemocratic.
And if it's not, I don't want to live in a democracy anymore. That's just stupid, I'm sorry to say.
Rumsfeld, is that you?"
Not perfect, but just about fixed.
Since when has democracy meant the freedom for one group of people to be conniving ######## towards two other people?
As far as I know, nothing illegal has been done (maybe a hate crime regulation has been broken but I don't know). The bleachers are filled with people who share a homophobic mindset. Again, living in a democracy means that people with viewpoints opposing your viewpoint will gather and socialize with each other whether it is at Yankee Stadium or at your neighborhood Starbucks.
Legality has nothing to do with appropriateness. You can be a perfectly law biting citizen and still be a terrible person.
I'm not saying these fools are doing anything necessarily illegal. I'm just saying they're terrible people.
And just in case I wasn't clear, if you don't like the viewpoint on that turf, you have the freedom and right to change it via campaigning.
Not illegal per se. I'm sure there are some rules against purposefully blocking the view of other fans. Or being abusive toward other fans.
Anyway, that has nothing do with whether these guys are complete ########.
Me too damn it.
Hey, if it's from Pino's I say bring it on.
And as a Yankees fan, I hate most Yankees fans. Too many are idiots, homophobes, and just plain 'ol jackasses.
Actually, something illegal has occurred.
1. A person commits a hate crime when he or she commits a specified offense and either: (a) intentionally selects the person against whom the offense is committed or intended to be committed in whole or in substantial part because of a belief or perception regarding the race, color, national origin, ancestry, gender, religion, religious practice, age, disability or sexual orientation of a person, regardless of whether the belief or perception is correct, or ....
...section 240.25 (harassment in the first degree);
Section 240.25
A person is guilty of harassment in the first degree when he or she intentionally and repeatedly harasses another person by following such person in or about a public place or places or by engaging in a course of conduct or by repeatedly committing acts which places such person in reasonable fear of physical injury.
Most people would believe there was a reasonable fear of injury. Which would make this a hate crime, and thusly much more serious.
240.36 does not involve the threat of injury, it is just "annoy in a public place." It is pretty clear they would be guilty of that.
I don't think this is a Yankee specific problem, I think you can replace "Yankee fan" with "American" and the sentence would still work.
Not only that, but if they were in the bleachers, they can't even move to another part of the park as it is closed off because they don't allow alochol there. And when you're there, switching seats within that section is really not going to do anything.
True enough, but I have higher expectations of New Yorkers than the average American, especially regarding homophobia.
I am 20. If you get most any male my age angry enough at you, chances are that when they lash out at you verbally they're going to call you a "faggot" or some variation there of. That's inexcusable. I don't know this to be the case (I could very well be wrong), but I don't think that forty years ago, a 20 year old who was red-hot would call someone the "n" word just because it communicated that frustration.
I don't know if what I'm saying makes any sense, now that I think about it.
But that, to me, just seems even extra hateful.
Now, I would say they were definitely being harassed.
I am not condoning or defending homophobic behavior. I am defending freedom of speech. Are those guys homophobic jerks? Sure. Is it nice to go to ball game w/o people saying mean stuff to you? Absolutely. But that's the norm there and if you don't like, 1) feel free to engage in actions to change it, 2) seek legal counsel to see if you have a civil suit, or 3) get tickets in a different part of the stadium.
Like I said before, I'm not a lawyer but if those actions were legally defined as a misdemeanor or felony under a hate crime regulation, then those jerks should be removed from the stadium.
I don't understand why you keep saying this. You've already bought tickets and gone to your assigned seats. Why would you buy more tickets to change your seats? That doesn't make any sense.
I am 20. If you get most any male my age angry enough at you, chances are that when they lash out at you verbally they're going to call you a "faggot" or some variation there of.
Does the word \"#########\" denigrate the French? just wondering.
but I don't think that forty years ago, a 20 year old who was red-hot would call someone the "n" word just because it communicated that frustration.
dude, that word is a COMPLIMENT these days. Don't you watch Dave Chapelle?
Lesson for next time my friend. Until then, you're going to have put up with taunting if you were unfortunate enough to wear non-Yankee gear to Yankee stadium. Does it suck? Of course but dems the breaks.
I don't see where freedom of speech enables a mob to harass or verbally abuse someone. And it's definitely not the norm - I don't know what kind of stadium you frequent, but I tend to expect a higher level of civility.
This strikes me as a failure of Yankee Stadium security to recognize a problem and halt it, not a "suck it up and take it or move if you don't like it" type of problem.
Oh, it's definitely not the norm but it's the norm for the Yankee bleachers. And of course I expect a higher level of civility. But I'm not the moral police. And at Yankee stadium, the norm for appropriate behavior is different from my standards. But I can't, nor should I, impose my moral standards onto the several hundreds of people standing in the Yankee bleachers. I can either campaign to change it or see if I have a civil case. Or easist solution, not wear non-Yankee gear into the Yankee bleachers unless I feel like being harrassed that day.
Uh, yeah. The audacity of a fan of the minority to express his or her allegiance. She has no right to enjoy the game. Thanks for clarifying, Mr. Ruler of the World.
Like I said, I'm not the moral police.
Thanks for clarifying, Mr. Ruler of the World.
And you thought the Yankee Bleacher creatures were mean!
You're weird. You seem to think people should have the foresight to know which people in which locations in given stadiums are going to be terrible people.
When the moral police fail to see to their duties, it is our job, nay, responsibility as Americans to raise an army....
Some level of moral standards have to be imposed in any situation. It's not you or I who determines or imposes it. It's the Yankee organization that needs to do so, ultimately because it forms the perception of how enjoyable a trip to Yankee stadium is. I don't think they want people to think that a typical trip to Yankee stadium involves getting taunted by a mass of drunken hooligans.
I have no problem with fans making open derogatory chants like "Red Sox sucks" or the like. In fact, Yankee stadium bleachers has a chant like that, where they start pointing towards each of the AL East cities and start chanting, Baltimore sucks, Boston sucks, ... everybody sucks." That's fine.
But once a mob starts directing their hostility at particular individuals or groups, particularly if they use racist or homophobic language, that's crossing the line. That's way crossing the line.
Damn, people are really pissed with me!
You seem to think people should have the foresight to know which people in which locations in given stadiums are going to be terrible people.
Dems the break. All I can say is that it's best to do a little research if possible in order to avoid wasting money on a ticket. Ask knowledgeable baseball friends, I'm sure they'll be able to tell you that you'll be taunted endlessly if you walk into the bleachers with non-Yankee gear.
When the moral police fail to see to their duties, it is our job, nay, responsibility as Americans to raise an army....
Absolutely. Or if Darwin was right, they'll be eventually weeded out so the problem might take care of itself.
That's all kinds of f*cked-up.
calling people faggots and ridiculing them is patriotic. moving around during god bless america supports the terrorists.
besides, they were Boston fans, and we all know that New Englanders hate Freedom and Liberty and want to hug Terror.
But once a mob starts directing their hostility at particular individuals or groups, particularly if they use racist or homophobic language, that's crossing the line. That's way crossing the line.
It's absolutely crossing the line in my book. But the majority of people who frequent the Yankee bleacher condone, if not outright participate in such lame behavior. If that's the way they want to act, then so be it. All of them paid money to seat there, they have a right to act like ########. Do I like it when people act like ########? Of course not. Do I think people should be sanctioned according to somebody's particular moral standards? Of course not. And yes, the Yankee organization can step in and dictate the moral standards for the bleachers. But until it hurts ticket sales, I doubt they'll do anything. Would I be happy if the Yankee organizaton said, "Play Nice," to the bleacher creatures? Sure. Should they start sanctioning what people say if I find it offensive? No.
Alright, I'm off to bed. Thanks for the lively discussion.
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