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Saturday, August 29, 2009

L.A. Times: Letters: Trouble in Mannywood

Please, Mr. McCourt, do baseball a huge favor and at the same time restore credibility to our Dodgers. Fire Manny Ramirez now! Any championship won with Ramirez on your team will be tainted and meaningless to real Dodgers fans and especially the proud players of the Dodgers’ glorious past.

We beg you, do not ruin the great Dodgers tradition built by unselfish honest players. There is no place for cheaters and people like Ramirez in the great Dodgers tradition. Please!

Tom Fessler

Huntington Beach

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The time has come to stop the Manny-worship and face reality.

Yes, even without the juice he can still hit in the neighborhood of .300, although his power seems to have gone south, but two of his most recent statements have turned me off completely: “I’ve already proven I’m a great hitter, so anything I do now is gravy.”

And, “So if we don’t win this year, there’s always next year.”

Is this the kind of player you want on your team? Not me! What he did in the last couple of months last year was the “gravy,” and what he’ll do next year is anybody’s guess.

Enough already! Let’s change those signs to Andre-Ville, or Kemp-Town. Let’s live in the present and future and forget about the past!

Joel Rapp

Los Angeles

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Since it doesn’t appear that Manny can hit without steroids and he’s really dogging it in the field, the Dodgers should just cut him.

Juan Pierre plays hard every minute and is ultimately more productive.

Rod Hersberger

Santa Barbara

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How ironic is it that now that Manny has been caught and is presumably off fertility drugs, he hits like a girl ?

Ron Roberts

Tripon Posted: August 29, 2009 at 05:35 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: August 29, 2009 at 08:55 PM (#3308675)
I am always confused by these things ...

Manny hit 278/374/557 in July. Does that mean that he was still on steroids then? Does it mean it took him 80 days (the suspension plus July roughly) to lose the benefits of steroids? Does it mean it took a month for the debilitating psychological effects of not having the steroids crutch to kick in?
   2. regfairfield Posted: August 29, 2009 at 09:05 PM (#3308680)
Dodger fans don't deserve good players.
   3. Srul Itza Posted: August 29, 2009 at 09:52 PM (#3308708)
Expect to see a lot more of this, since Juan Pierre has apparently gotten ahold of some more SSS magic pixie dust. His August numbers in 37 PA entering play today:

.355 /.417/.452/.868
   4. NotLikely20 Posted: August 29, 2009 at 10:14 PM (#3308730)
How ironic is it that now that Manny has been caught and is presumably off fertility drugs, he hits like a girl ?
   5. Don Malcolm Posted: August 30, 2009 at 01:05 AM (#3308825)
Manny had a slow May in '08 (228/328/386). If he was "juiced" then, there was definitely something "off" in the formula...

I think virtually all of the guys who "write" in to the Times are shills for Plaschke and Simers. Imagine what the Dodgers would look like had they listened to the advice of those two clowns and sent Kemp packing.

Then again, the illustrated American Heritage Dictionary would not be the same if these two were drop-kicked off the Times "spurts" pages, since they'd probably remove the two-shot of 'em that goes with the definition of "pork chop"...
   6. jwb Posted: August 30, 2009 at 01:10 AM (#3308829)
And in the town of broken dreams
The streets are filled with regret
Maybe down in Loney Town
We can learn to forget
   7. Downtown Bookie Posted: August 30, 2009 at 01:15 AM (#3308835)
There is no place for cheaters and people like Ramirez in the great Dodgers tradition.


From Preacher Roe's NY Times obituary

It was in the summer of 1955, a year after he retired, that Roe admitted to throwing spitters, describing his technique in an article in Sports Illustrated, “The Outlawed Spitball Was My Money Pitch.” Roe told of wiping his left hand across his brow and spitting on his thumb with juice from his bubble gum, using the base of his hand as a shield. While ostensibly hitching his belt, he then transferred moisture to his index and middle fingers, gripped the baseball on a smooth spot and threw with a fastball motion, getting a sharp downward break.

“It never bothered me none throwing a spitter,” he said. “If no one is going to help the pitcher in this game, he’s got to help himself.”


DB
   8. pthomas Posted: August 30, 2009 at 01:26 AM (#3308844)
Letters to the editor are about as worthless as comment sections on blogs....oh...wait.....
   9. base ball chick Posted: August 30, 2009 at 01:55 AM (#3308871)
throwing spitters isn't cheating. it's just kind of cute, old timey, you know

and throwing an illegal pitch guys can't hit can't affect ballgames like taking female hormones, you know. and yall keep talking bout how grrrrrrls caint play no baseball...
   10. Lassus Posted: August 30, 2009 at 02:32 AM (#3308901)
I'm sure I could find four people who think the earth is flat.
   11. Jolly Old St. Neck Wound, Moral Idiot Posted: August 30, 2009 at 02:33 AM (#3308902)
From Preacher Roe's NY Times obituary

It was in the summer of 1955, a year after he retired, that Roe admitted to throwing spitters, describing his technique in an article in Sports Illustrated, “The Outlawed Spitball Was My Money Pitch.” Roe told of wiping his left hand across his brow and spitting on his thumb with juice from his bubble gum, using the base of his hand as a shield. While ostensibly hitching his belt, he then transferred moisture to his index and middle fingers, gripped the baseball on a smooth spot and threw with a fastball motion, getting a sharp downward break.


It wasn't bubble gum, it was Beech-Nut chewing gum. That SI interview with Roe (by Dick Young) is one of the greatest stories it ever ran, and to this day remains the best description of the art of the spitball. And I don't know how the Times obituary writer missed this:

GUMWRAPPER CURVE

Roe lit another cigar.

"The guys on my team used to call it 'your Beech-Nut curve,' " he continued. "That's because of the gum. On the bench, between innings, I'd dig into my pocket for a stick of it, and say: 'I'm gonna get me a new batch of curve balls.'

"I don't know why Beech-Nut was better. There seemed to be something in it that would make the ball slicker than any other gum. If this is a testimonial, then they can have it for free. I'm just telling the truth. I tried every kind of gum, and tried that slippery elm, too, but nothing worked for me like plain old Beech-Nut.


I ought to know. I was just turning eleven when that article appeared, and I went out and bought six pack of Beech-Nut peppermint gum and stuffed all 30 pieces into my mouth at once. Unfortunately the only person who benefited from all that chewing was my dentist.
   12. Earvin 'Gold Stars' Johnson Posted: August 30, 2009 at 02:43 AM (#3308910)
Letters to the editor are about as worthless as comment sections on blogs....oh...wait.....

(Hangs head, stares at shoes.)
   13. Jonathan Gaston Sees You When You're Sleeping Posted: August 30, 2009 at 04:59 AM (#3308966)
I'm 55% certain that Bill Plaschke wrote all of those letters.
   14. jwb Posted: August 30, 2009 at 05:52 AM (#3309004)
Two of the letters had more than one sentence per paragraph, so maybe Plaschke wrote 50% of the letters.
   15. Bad Doctor Posted: August 30, 2009 at 04:52 PM (#3309138)
We beg you, do not ruin the great Dodgers tradition built by unselfish honest players.

I only came to this thread to read the Steve Garvey comments. Let's get to it already, fellas!
   16. Vaux, A.B.D. Posted: August 30, 2009 at 05:06 PM (#3309145)
The fact that three of the first names have only three-letters indicates that they might be made up, too, since Plaschke has no imagination. Fake letters should be signed by people like Immanuel Geistschlager and Gabriel Jockitch.

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