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*BOOM*!
I vote for this.
Seriously though, as a baseball fan, this stinks.
Ummm, not: Jose Canseco outed the guy a while ago.
Still, this is a shame. And I don't think it detracts from 2004 or 2007 at all.
I'm sure this will go on for weeks.
Gamingboy's so excited he's incomprehensible!
Not that I'm terribly surprised (I'd only be surprised by maybe a handful of guys testing positive), but this is a bomb.
Edit: Owe JimmyP a coke.
Damn Pasadena doctors.
curious what the "medical issue" is going to turn out to be
What is the over/under on amount of actual positive tests before this one that Ramirez has had.
Jose looks better and better with every story.
Bonds had Farina-Wada, Arod had Selena--Who steps up to make a career on Manny?
Except they don't test for that...
Jose Canseco gives a fist pump.
They hung Palmeiro out to dry just weeks after he was the center of attention in the baseball world.
I don't think they're hiding anything any more.
Plasche is prepping his torch and sharpening his pitchfork as we speak
I'm hoping Robert Crumb.
CHB.
amphetamines for ADHD?
Possibly. We don't have any details so we're all having a massive talking out our ass session. Not that it isn't fun, mind you.
The only medical issue Manny suffers from is gross stupidity.
Aren't amphetamines in a different category? I though the first suspension for them was shorter than 50 games.
EDIT: At least back in 2006, a second positive test for greenies resulted in only a 25 game suspension.
EDIT: Also, if it was ADHD, he could get a waiver for theraputic use.
He would be, except I believe that Felix Pie is probably clean.
Possibly. We don't have any details so we're all having a massive talking out our ass session. Not that it isn't fun, mind you.
Are the test results ever released? Can they be at the request of the player? I'm highly skeptical, but if it were amps for a diagnosed disorder, that would earn a lot more sympathy than if it were steroids for PEDs. I'd think MLB and Manny would have an interest in that news getting out even if it is, technically, a violation of the rules.
It was actually Craig Counsell
When you have a job that pays you tens of millions dollars a year, and that tests for certain substances, with the consequence of a negative test being a suspension and loss of income, then you had better be damn sure you know what's going into your body.
And if you don't know---or if you do know, but don't think it will trigger a "fail" for some reason---then you only have yourself to blame (not some doctor, or unclear guidelines, or a poppy seed bun).
Seems like there's an awful lot of adult ADHD in MLB. They should do a study on that...
another GORGEOUS LA morning!
gets coffee, boots computer ...
CLEANS ####### MONITOR!
well, LA sports talk radio ought to be interesting today ...
They are supposed to be kept secret. Not the result, but what caused the result. Now, most players are going to come out and try and clear their name. And, we also know how things that are supposed to be secret are leaked, so I'm sure we'll find out in the next day or two what caused all this.
When you have a job that pays you tens of millions dollars a year, and that tests for certain substances, with the consequence of a negative test being a suspension and loss of income, then you had better be damn sure you know what's going into your body.
Right. What if he really did need the medication, though? I don't really believe that, but what if he really did?
I'm not going to gloat over this, considering my team's championship was devilered in large part by Troy Glaus. But if Red Sox fans were gloating, they were always stupid to do so considering the obvious but not caught roiders on their teams, and the fact that many, many players were roiding on all teams that were not in the least obvious about it.
I believe it's his mother's arthritis meds.
Okay, let him explain, and then air the evidence and see if he's just bullshltting or not. It's not as if he's likely to skip the country in the meantime.
But if by some outside chance he's telling the truth, then you have to question the safeguards involved in interpreting these test results.
Another sure HOF candidate bites the dust.
Clemens, Bonds, Manny, Palmeiro, A-Rod, Sheffield, and McGwire will have to start their own hall, which will be more star-studded than the players of this era who actually get to Cooperstown.
Then he should have run it by the team trainer, MLB, the union, somebody...
I'm just speculating here, but if Manny does have adult ADHD, and was taking amps, then I personally feel that's a legit excuse. Seems like if it was something along those lines, MLB wouldn't suspend him for something like that.
Then he contacts baseball and gets a theraputic use waiver, like all the assorted sufferers of ADHD have.
Isn't there a hotline players can call to doublecheck any medication? My impression is that if they get the OK for a medication, and it later turns out that the medication caused a "positive," then they can say that they were cleared to take the stuff beforehand...
You know you're talking about Manny, right?
D. Lowe does too, I know that.
is the amphetamine penalty also 50 games? Medicinal weed? (this is California)
I would love this and I think it actually would allow the sports world and baseball to move on.
I'm guessing he was planning to, and then got... distracted.
Oh, and before I forget: HAHA!
O-Dawg's suspension is next.
I'll take the over.
I just Googled it. You are correct. Amps seem unlikely in this case.
so was Palmeiro
Heh.
Now that aint workin thats the way you do it
Lemme tell ya them guys aint dumb
Maybe get a blister on your little finger
Maybe get a blister on your thumb"
It was definitely a blister.
If -- somehow, some way -- it turned out to be this, this thread would end up being 75,000 posts, easy. Good lord, it's the perfect BTF storm: Manny, politics, drugs, testing, Boras . . . get me my ringside seats for that bad boy.
Oh?
Oh ####.
Not amps then based on it being 50 games instead of 25, they dont' test for HGH, soooo let the speculation begin.
"Recently I saw a physician for a personal health issue. He gave me a medication, not a steroid, which he thought was OK to give me," Ramirez said. "Unfortunately, the medication was banned under our drug policy. Under the policy that mistake is now my responsibility. I have been advised not to say anything more for now.
"I do want to say one other thing; I've taken and passed about 15 drug tests over the past five seasons. I want to apologize to [Dodgers owner Frank] McCourt, Mrs. McCourt, [manager Joe] Torre, my teammates, the Dodger organization, and to the Dodger fans. LA is a special place to me and I know everybody is disappointed. So am I. I'm sorry about this whole situation."
Yes, true, very true. He's much more like Barry.
Alzheimer's or ALS or Rheumatoid Arthritis or Asthma or Autism or Colorectal Cancer or Depression or Epilepsy or Hypertension or Incontinence or Leukemia or Parkinson's or Sleep Apnea.
That's why a amphs suspension was the first thought I jumped.
That's another silly aspect of the current program that should be changed. Tell everyone exactly what someone tested positive for, so we don't have to go through all the bullcrap.
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