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Sunday, October 14, 2012

LCS Day 2 OMNICHATTER: ALCS Game 2 and NLCS Game 1

BASEBALL! Our heart and our soul, our love and our hatred, our past and our future, our….

Sorry, got a little carried away there.

4 PM: Detroit Tigers (Anibal Sanchez) @ New York Yankees (Hiroki Kuroda), TBS. DET leads 1-0.
8 PM: St. Louis Cardinals (Lance Lynn) @ San Francisco Giants (Madison Bumgarner), FOX. Game 1 of Best-Of-7.

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   801. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:01 PM (#4270548)
I get that Matheny would like to have Rosenthal and Mujica available again for the sixth and seventh tomorrow, but on some level it seems to me that if you've got a guy throwing well you might oughta let him go a little longer.


I agree, let the guy who is pitching well go out there for another inning, why take the chances that the other guy doesn't have it tonight. Of course the saber philosophy is that there is no such thing as having it, and so it doesn't matter.
   802. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4270549)
CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ X]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ X]
Strike Out of Side [X ]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [X ]
Blown call [ X]
Blown call costs game [ ]
Caught stealing [X]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ X] (Lincecum)
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [X ]
Bunt [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Verlander in dugout [X]
Sabathia in dugout [ ]
Trout mentioned (fish or ballplayer) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [X ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
A-Rod strikes out (assuming he even plays) [X ]
A-Rod PH for OR pinch-hits [ ]
Raul Ibanez is a effing clutch god [ ]
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
Shutdown inning [X ]
TBS has typo [ ]
Game goes past midnight [ ]
Girardi's playing career mentioned [ ]
Anibal Sanchez's no-hitter talked about [X ]
Yankee Stadium has large swaths of empty seats [ X] (If it's beyond the Legends Seats [ X])
Prince Fielder goes deep [ ]
Announcers talk about Derek Jeter like he died or something [ ]
Valverde meltdown [ ]
Balk [ ]
Reggie Jackson is in the crowd [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [X ]
Cardinals crazy comeback retrospective [ ]
FREESE! [X ]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned [ ]
FOX personality pointed out in crowd [ ]
NFL reference (beyond reference to NFL on FOX commercials) [X ]
Reference to McCarver's singing album [ ]
Mark McGwire mentioned by name [ ]
Willie Mays is in the crowd [ ]
Triples alley [ ]
Ball goes into McCovey cove [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ X]
"Catching Molina Brother" [ ]
FOX introduces us to a commercial that becomes a meme [ ]
God Bless America is shown on TV [ X]
Joe Buck and Tim McCarver spend extended amount of time talking about Jeter [X ]
"Torture" mentioned [ X]
Cardinals are behind at any point [ ]
Joe Buck arrives at AT&T late or JUST in time for the game [X]
   803. JJ1986 Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4270551)
Of course the saber philosophy is that there is no such thing as having it, and so it doesn't matter.


I don't think that's right.
   804. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4270552)
The main reason I don't like it is that it was done in response to the World Trade Center attack, as part of the police state overreaction. A true patriot protests such things.


Agree with that. I'm sick of every sporting event I go to turning into a USA rally. Not sure why the fourth inning of every Red Sox game has to honor a soldier and why we can't honor from people of all walks of life, cops, firemen, teachers, nurses, EMTs, etc...plenty of admirable jobs out there.
   805. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM (#4270553)
I like GBA, but am OK with dropping it, only if they get a celeb to sing "Take me Out to the Ballgame"
   806. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:03 PM (#4270554)
Matheny likes to use the same guys every night, in the same order. Anything that would deviate from this upsets the balance/leads to Scrabble getting high leverage innings, so I support it.
   807. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:04 PM (#4270555)
Was folding laundry and only half paying attention, maybe.

So you'd rather sort your sock drawer than watch Mujica pitch with knee-high socks in the playoffs???


Don't be silly, I was organizing the sock drawer during Rosenthal's inning. Wouldn't miss Mujica!
   808. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4270558)
Again with the broken bat, Craig.

I'm not getting more runs, am I.
   809. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4270559)
Bingo with that error.
   810. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4270560)
cfb's bingo lives on!
   811. esseff Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4270561)
Belt normally one of the best at picking those.
   812. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4270562)
Almost looked like Sandoval had too long there. Just make the throw, don't think son, you only hurt the team.
   813. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4270563)
I don't think that's right.


Not exactly, but close enough for government work.

The saber philosophy is other than homeruns, walks and strikeouts a pitcher has no control on what happens on balls in play. The reality is that as fans watching the game we can tell who is on or off, although the results don't always line up with that, as bloops can happen, as well hit balls can be snagged etc.
   814. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4270564)
I think that if any song is sung other that TMOTTBG, it should be something kind of local or team-traditional, you know? I mean, the Yankees can play GBA if they'd like, simply because that's their shtick, but why not show us Milwaukeeans singing Roll Out the Barrel or O's fans sing Thank God I'm a Country Boy...
   815. Tuque Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4270565)
Why is the game not playing on TBS anymore, I'm confused
   816. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4270566)
Freese was asleep during that AB or something.
   817. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4270567)
cfb's bingo lives on!


Got all three cards now.
   818. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4270568)
Why is the game not playing on TBS anymore, I'm confused


This year FOX has the NL while TBS has the AL.
   819. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4270569)
Getting waaaaaaaaay ahead of myself, am I forgetting someone or is the Big Red Machine the last NL team to repeat as World Series champs?
   820. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4270570)
How did Freese not deposit strike 2 in the big mitt in left field?
   821. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4270571)
Why is the game not playing on TBS anymore, I'm confused


It's on the local fox tv instead.
   822. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4270572)
Getting waaaaaaaaay ahead of myself, am I forgetting someone or is the Big Red Machine the last NL team to repeat as World Series champs?

That is correct.
   823. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4270573)
Getting waaaaaaaaay ahead of myself, am I forgetting someone or is the Big Red Machine the last NL team to repeat as World Series champs?


That is correct.

Coke to Kjok.
   824. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4270574)
How did Freese not deposit strike 2 in the big mitt in left field?

He was distracted by the behind the umpire camera angle.
   825. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4270575)
McDonalds and AT&T commercials....no.
   826. boteman Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4270576)
The saber philosophy is other than homeruns, walks and strikeouts a pitcher has no control on what happens on balls in play.

What about a pitcher who should be throwing pitches that are likely to induce a double play, but instead throws meatballs up there that get hit into play? In this case the outcome is less desirable as a direct result of the pitcher's poor performance and yet is not a HR, walk, nor K.
   827. esseff Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4270577)
McDonalds and AT&T commercials....no.


But Larry the Cable Guy . . . now THAT'S entertainment.
   828. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4270579)
Larry the cable guy for Prilosec another no. IE9 commercial...another big no. I need that home commercial with the dad and daughter communicating while she is at college. A little feel good commercial before bed would be excellent.
   829. Tuque Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4270580)
It's on the local fox tv instead.

Thanks.

May your favorite team lick the sweat off their opponents' testicles.
   830. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4270581)
Bonds [X]
   831. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4270582)
Any Giant fans know who is second on "splash hits" behind Bonds? My first guess is Snow.
   832. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4270583)
Gotta say both the Cardinal fans and Giant fans posting tonight are much calmer and more pleasant than I would be if the Red Sox were playing.
   833. Chip Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4270584)
Inning-ending DP should be checked, yes? Lincecum generated one.
   834. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4270585)
Inning-ending DP should be checked, yes? Lincecum generated one.


Good point. I always seem to forget stuff like that. I'll remember for next posting of the list.
   835. PreservedFish Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4270586)
The problem with all of these discussions on how DIPS should impact a pitcher's philosophy is that one cannot throw meatballs while also eliminating homeruns.
   836. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4270587)
What about a pitcher who should be throwing pitches that are likely to induce a double play, but instead throws meatballs up there that get hit into play? In this case the outcome is less desirable as a direct result of the pitcher's poor performance and yet is not a HR, walk, nor K.


On a seasonal level fip etc is accurate, but on a per game basis it's not a good tool to use, a scout is a better tool than relying on babip predictions.
   837. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4270588)
Any Giant fans know who is second on "splash hits" behind Bonds? My first guess is Snow.

Looks like Sandoval is #2.
   838. esseff Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4270589)
#831. Sandoval
   839. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4270590)
Kozma, Carpenter, Jay, Beltran - Another run would be nice.
   840. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4270591)
The problem with all of these discussions on how DIPS should impact a pitcher's philosophy is that one cannot throw meatballs while also eliminating homeruns.


Well the first point of Dips is that at the major league level, it's study was done with major league pitchers, and the original study was pitchers with a significant number of innings pitched. If you are not a major league pitcher any more, the batters are going to destroy your babip
   841. greenback calls it soccer Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4270592)
Gotta say both the Cardinal fans and Giant fans posting tonight are much calmer and more pleasant than I would be if the Red Sox were playing.

It's probably not a coincidence that the Cards and Giants have won the last two World Series.
   842. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4270593)
#831. Sandoval

Tied for 3rd...Felipe Crespo?
   843. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:23 PM (#4270594)
I am hopeful that if I don't post the constant stream of obscenities coming out of my mouth since the 2nd inning, karma will look favorably on me and the Giants will make a comeback
   844. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4270595)
I am hoping this park will suppress Motte's tendency to give up 2 run bombs.
   845. Honkie Kong Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:25 PM (#4270596)
The Cardinals seem to have a really good minor league system, in terms of results. They develop pitchers and hitters, and Warlocks!

Despite some of those prospects not being so heralded. Like Freese, Lynn, Jay, Craig, Boggs, Motte. ( Yadier, Wainwright with an assist from the Braves, Pujols ofcourse. ). And for this series, even Descalso and Kozma.
Is a pretty good validation of Mozeliak and his crew. Might be a good sign for the Astros too.
   846. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4270597)
Lynn was a supplemental round pick who advanced quickly through the minors - he's not Shelby or anything, but he was certainly a prospect the whole way.
   847. base ball chick Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4270598)
i'm getting old - when they said robinson pinch hitting, i thought of kerry and he's been gone for years

also he's not White

sigh
   848. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4270599)
#831. Sandoval

Tied for 3rd...Felipe Crespo?


LH hitting backup catcher in the early years of the park, iirc.
   849. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4270600)
even Descalso and Kozma.

Kozma's pretty much been a bust for a #1 draft choice (except for the last month and a half)
   850. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM (#4270603)
Kozma's pretty much been a bust for a #1 draft choice (except for the last month and a half)

I want the Cardinals and Tigers to win so we can see a Kozma-Porcello PA.
   851. PreservedFish Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM (#4270604)
Looks like Carlos Delgado is #3 on splash hits, which is pretty impressive.
   852. boteman Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM (#4270605)
I guess one saving grace that the Nats are out of it now is that the couple-three rabidly annoying Nats fans here have no direct motivation to post.

As somebody who grew up in D.C. and the future state of Northern Virginia I must point out that the area is fairly highbrow, so don't hold the antics of the few against the rest of us.
   853. Honkie Kong Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:29 PM (#4270606)
Kozma's pretty much been a bust for a #1 draft choice (except for the last month and a half)


This is not NFL/NBA. Most first round picks don't make it as full time players to the Major leagues. That in itself is a success.

Guts : Thanks for the check on Lynn. Don't follow the minors as closely as before. So I beg ignorance on that. But he was never one of those "uber prospects". And he has handily outperformed many such names.
   854. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4270607)
Tied for 3rd...Felipe Crespo?

Only if you don't count opposing players. Carlos Delgado has three, and so does Adam LaRoche (!)
   855. esseff Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4270608)
845. Freese came in a trade for Edmonds. Padres had buried him behind Kouzmanoff and Headley. Most of those guys were drafted or otherwise acquired on Luhnow's watch.
   856. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4270610)
Larry the cable guy for Prilosec another no.

My part time job was doing inventory at Wal-Marts. On occasion this year in the over-the-counter medication department there would be a Larry the Cable Guy/Prilosec display with ads running CONSTANTLY. Hell is listening to Larry the Cable Guy repeat the same ad pitch ad infinitum for an hour.
   857. Honkie Kong Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4270611)
Looks like Carlos Delgado is #3 on splash hits, which is pretty impressive.


Fully expect Heyward to replace him on that list.
   858. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:30 PM (#4270612)
Is a pretty good validation of Mozeliak and his crew. Might be a good sign for the Astros too.

And Tyler Greene was Luhnow's very first draft pick ever, so not everything has come up roses for him.
   859. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:31 PM (#4270613)
Looks like Carlos Delgado is #3 on splash hits, which is pretty impressive.



Fully expect Heyward to replace him on that list.


Ichiro would be on the list if he wanted to. And he was in the NL.
   860. Esmailyn Gonzalez Sr. Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:32 PM (#4270614)
LH hitting backup catcher in the early years of the park, iirc.

I was thinking the Blue Jays guy
   861. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:33 PM (#4270616)
Wtf, you pinch hit the bu catcher?
   862. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:35 PM (#4270618)
Ichiro would be on the list if he wanted to. And he was in the NL.

Ichiro! had his chance, and he went for an inside-the-parker instead.
Because he is a SELFISH SHOWBOAT.
   863. boteman Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4270619)
Pasta Diving Descalso!
   864. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4270620)
And Tyler Greene was Luhnow's very first draft pick ever, so not everything has come up roses for him.


Not sure that Astros fans would consider that a bust, posted a 97 ops+ for them this year.
   865. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4270621)
On occasion this year in the over-the-counter medication department there would be a Larry the Cable Guy/Prilosec display with ads running CONSTANTLY. Hell is listening to Larry the Cable Guy repeat the same ad pitch ad infinitum for an hour.


I would think you would have just visited the gun department and availed yourself of the inventory there to make the suffering stop. You are a better man than I.
   866. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:36 PM (#4270622)
Heartbeat.... heartbeat....
   867. boteman Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:38 PM (#4270623)
WHEW! Oh well, maybe tomorrow night.
   868. Bourbon Samurai Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:38 PM (#4270624)
rematch of 06 looming
   869. phredbird Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4270625)
oh mama!!!
   870. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4270626)
Almost Buckner'd that.

Great win. Take HFA away, and we have the Unsinkable Chris Carpenter going tomorrow.
   871. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4270627)
Good game. This is going to be a great series.
   872. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4270628)
Not sure that Astros fans would consider that a bust, posted a 97 ops+ for them this year.

Over roughly the same time Kozma posted a 157. I wouldn't bet on either sniffing 100 OPS+ over a full season.

   873. Gamingboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:39 PM (#4270629)
Final Checklist of the night:

CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ X]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ X]
Strike Out of Side [X ]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [X ]
Blown call [ X]
Blown call costs game [ ]
Caught stealing [X]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ X] (Lincecum)
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [X ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [X ]
Bunt [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Verlander in dugout [X]
Sabathia in dugout [ ]
Trout mentioned (fish or ballplayer) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [X ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
A-Rod strikes out (assuming he even plays) [X ]
A-Rod PH for OR pinch-hits [ ]
Raul Ibanez is a effing clutch god [ ]
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
Shutdown inning [X ]
TBS has typo [ ]
Game goes past midnight [ ]
Girardi's playing career mentioned [ ]
Anibal Sanchez's no-hitter talked about [X ]
Yankee Stadium has large swaths of empty seats [ X] (If it's beyond the Legends Seats [ X])
Prince Fielder goes deep [ ]
Announcers talk about Derek Jeter like he died or something [ ]
Valverde meltdown [ ]
Balk [ ]
Reggie Jackson is in the crowd [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [X ]
Cardinals crazy comeback retrospective [ ]
FREESE! [X ]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned [X ]
FOX personality pointed out in crowd [ ]
NFL reference (beyond reference to NFL on FOX commercials) [X ]
Reference to McCarver's singing album [ ]
Mark McGwire mentioned by name [ ]
Willie Mays is in the crowd [ ]
Triples alley [ ]
Ball goes into McCovey cove [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ X]
"Catching Molina Brother" [ ]
FOX introduces us to a commercial that becomes a meme [ ]
God Bless America is shown on TV [ X]
Joe Buck and Tim McCarver spend extended amount of time talking about Jeter [X ]
"Torture" mentioned [ X]
Cardinals are behind at any point [ ]
Joe Buck arrives at AT&T late or JUST in time for the game [X]
   874. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:40 PM (#4270630)
We'll take it, the goal was to win one out of two on the road, winning the opening game, means you get greedy and hope to get two.
   875. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:41 PM (#4270631)
Over roughly the same time Kozma posted a 157. I wouldn't bet on either sniffing 100 OPS+ over a full season.


I disagree, but at least Greene has shown something at triple A, Kozma hasn't been able to do even that.
   876. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4270632)
I can't remember any recent games against Vogelsong, which probably means they were all no-hitters or something. Just have to scratch out a few runs with the way Carp and the pen are going, though.
   877. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4270633)
so it's Lohse, Carpenter and Wainright for the Cards. Vogelsong, Cain and Zito I guess for SF?

   878. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:42 PM (#4270634)
the way Carp and the pen are going, though.


Carps performance wasn't that good last time, he got lucky. But I'll take that luck if it continues.
   879. boteman Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:43 PM (#4270636)
Over roughly the same time Kozma posted a 157. I wouldn't bet on either sniffing 100 OPS+ over a full season.

Kozma is 24 years old. Must these guys be total brutes right out of the gate? I count myself among those who thought Ian Desmond was a wash-up, but he blossomed this year. He's 27 this season. Some guys blossom later. I can't predict it, maybe there are indicators of this, but writing him off at age 24 seems short-sighted.
   880. base ball chick Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM (#4270637)
why is the Win given to mujica?
   881. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:44 PM (#4270639)
Looks like

Carp-Vogelsong
Lohse-Cain (Cy Young contenders)
Wainwright-Someone
   882. base ball chick Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:45 PM (#4270640)
hard to believe tyler greene has a 97 OPS+ for the astros - seems he was a lot worse than that. he either hit a home run, and not THAT often, or did nothing. and he's not a very good fielding SS neither
   883. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:47 PM (#4270642)
Kozma is 24 years old. Must these guys be total brutes right out of the gate? I count myself among those who thought Ian Desmond was a wash-up, but he blossomed this year. He's 27 this season. Some guys peak later. I can't predict it, maybe there are indicators of this, but writing him off at age 24 seems short-sighted.

Playing in the PCL as a 23 and 24 year old is not really that young for that league, and being just over .600 OPS combined says he might "blossom" into a good enough hitter to get called up every once in a while...


   884. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:49 PM (#4270643)
why is the Win given to mujica?

Lynn didn't go 5 innings, so they have to give it to someone. It wouldn't be Motte since they can give him a save, so it's scorers choice between Rosenthal, Mujica and Boggs.

   885. Jose Is The Most Absurd Thing on the Site Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4270645)
Lisa I thought that was interesting too. The rule is 10.17(b) "the official scorer shall credit as the winning pitcher ...the relief pitcher who, in the official scorer’s judgment was the most effective, if there is more than one relief pitcher."

Apparently the Giants' scorer (or MLB, whoever governs during the playoffs) deemed Mujica's 1-2-3 all K inning the most effective.
   886. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:50 PM (#4270646)
Lynn didn't go 5 innings, so they have to give it to someone. It wouldn't be Motte since they can give him a save, to it's scorers choice between Rosenthal, Mujica and Boggs.


And mujica pitched the most impressive 3 batters faced, 3 strikeouts.
   887. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:51 PM (#4270647)
Carp-Vogelsong
Lohse-Cain (Cy Young contenders)
Wainwright-Someone

MLB has Lohse as tomorrow's probable - did Carpenter get announced and I missed it?

   888. boteman Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:53 PM (#4270649)
KJOK, I thought yous guys were discussing Major League performance and numbers. nvm.
   889. Guts Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:54 PM (#4270651)
MLB has Lohse as tomorrow's probable - did Carpenter get announced and I missed it?

ESPN has Carp, and they were talking about his start tomorrow during the telecast. I have no idea beyond that.
   890. cardsfanboy Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM (#4270653)
Kozma is 24 years old. Must these guys be total brutes right out of the gate? I count myself among those who thought Ian Desmond was a wash-up, but he blossomed this year. He's 27 this season. Some guys blossom later. I can't predict it, maybe there are indicators of this, but writing him off at age 24 seems short-sighted.


I don't think people are writing him off, as much as being cautiously negative about his future performance. He's guaranteed a shot at making the team next year, if not outright starting the season as the starter, but there is nothing in his development to indicate that he is major league ready other than the last month and a half of play.
   891. KJOK Posted: October 14, 2012 at 11:59 PM (#4270654)
KJOK, I thought yous guys were discussing Major League performance and numbers. nvm.

I thought we were discussing the probabability of MLB performance being maintained. When talking about young players, unless they have over 2,000 or so MLB Plate Appearances you'd better be looking at their minor league numbers also.
   892. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 15, 2012 at 12:58 AM (#4270677)
845. Freese came in a trade for Edmonds. Padres had buried him behind Kouzmanoff and Headley.

Wait... this means a couple years ago, the Padres traded for Jim Edmonds? Why did they do that?

Well I'll be damned, you search for Jim Edmonds on Google, and he comes up wearing a Padres uniform. I have no memory of that at all. That's worse than Wikipedia leading a generation of youngsters to associate John Olerud with the Red Sox.
   893. smileyy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 04:03 AM (#4270699)
A little late to the party, but I despise GBA and love tSSB for the metaphor of the songs:

God Bless America, to me, suggest that people think America needs some sort of continued divine blessing to remain great.
The Star Spangled Banner, to me, is about the best of America still flying high and strong, even after the darkest hour.

There's a sad irony to the fact that GBA found favor over tSSB after 9/11, when tSSB was already the perfect song.
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