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He could conceivably start Game 4. Or he could come in as a reliever following Zito. Going from lefty to righty early in the game can frustrate Matheny's attempt to maximize platoon advantage in the formation of his starting lineup.
I believe this is backward, that he pitched more poorly from the stretch than the windup.
That would work against some teams, but Matheny doesn't platoon. He starts the same 8 guys either way. He only has one decent bat on the bench (Carpenter), and that player isn't good enough to push Freese, Craig, Beltran or Holiday out of the lineup against a RHP.
I don't think Matheny is going to change his starting lineup, regardless of the handedness of the pitcher.
The only person on that bench who could conceivably start a game is Matt Carpenter, and he's their best PH option as well as a great candidate for double-switching as he can play all four corners and 2b in a pinch.
Matheny has amazed me. He seems really solid for a guy who hasn't managed since Little League. He's had no apparent clashes with players. I love that he has Beltran #2 instead of some middle IF. His only strategic mistake so far was bringing Rzepcynski in to pitch to Moore instead of either letting Boggs pitch to Tracy or bringing in Motte to pitch to Tracy but he seems to have learned from that.
Carpenter and Craig have dabbled at second base, but aren't what you want there with the season on the line, and the backup SS is the guy starting at 2B.
Right - Ideally you might start Carpenter at 2B and Descalso at SS against a RH pitcher, and bring in Kozma late in the game for defense if you have the lead, but with Kozma 'hot' and Matheny not wanting to weaken the defense, it's not going to happen.
Quite right---there really is not one true middle infielder on the Cardinal bench.
I hadn't really thought about this, and it is a little scary, but they could manage. If Kozma were to pull a Jeter after M. Carpenter had been used as a PH, Descalso could slide to SS, where he started 20 games this year, and Schumaker---who was, after all, the starting 2b for most of 2009-2011---could fill in there.
That's it. Around late July-early August Lincecum still carried a precipitous dropoff from bases empty to pitching out of the stretch, and another smaller dropoff with RISP. Whatever he did to clean up his delivery in August and September must have worked wonders. Maybe he started eating at McDonald's again???
Although I wonder if Bochy has been burned and only brings him on in relief with bases empty?
Interesting idea. Descalso is probably as good as or better than Kozma at SS. But does Carpenter really have the glove to start at 2B?
Lincecum this year is a complete enigma. He still got K's, but he had terrible walk rates with runners on. He just lost the zone completely. He's not throwing any harder as a reliever than as a starter. I would think that the Giants give him the Game 4 start, but I have no real idea at this point.
I certainly would prefer to see him out there instead of Zito.
Well, to get Carpenter's bat in the lineup of course. Plus, against a RHP specifically, I think Descalso would be a better hitter than Kozma.
I agree Schumaker is a better hitter than Descalso (though not lately!). But don't you think he gives away as much on defense (vs. Descalso) as you gain on offense? Certainly no one would think of putting Schumaker at SS, while Descalso seems adequate there.
I certainly would prefer to see him out there instead of Zito.
Entirely agreed. But given how rotten Bumgarner is pitching right now, I won't be surprised if we see both Lincecum and Zito starting, with Bumgarner shunted to the long reliever role.
The Giants' starting pitching, which should be their central strength, has been lousy for the entire post-season so far (and it wasn't exactly brilliant down the stretch). This doesn't bode well; the bullpen can't be expected to carry this kind of load the whole way.
Then again, Zito seemed to take being left off the postseason roster in stride back in 2010. Bochy seems to do a really good job as a people-manager.
Absolutely.
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Descalso is a borderline gold glove quality second baseman. Schumaker is a guy who on a good day, doesn't hurt you defensively. Descalso at short would be more or less equivalent to Schumaker at second base. Descalso tools is reaction time, and sure hands, not really range as much. Kozma is at worse an average defensive shortstop, but arguably a plus defensive shortstop.
As I said the three possible pairings listed end up with roughly the same overall value, (Kozma/Descalso is + defense and the absolute worse offense we could put out there; Kozma/Schumaker gives you a plus def ss and weak def second baseman for a slight improvement in offense; Descalso/Carpenter improves the offense at both positions, but weakens the overall defense, second base defense is probably the same as Schumaker) the current pairing that Matheny is going with is the best defense of the group(and defense along with running, is a skill with the least amount of variance from a player) and the two hot hitters. It's the safe decision right now, and to be honest the only obvious decision.
According to McCarver (paraphrasing here) "Lincecum, unlike Arod, has taken to the bench role with positive attitude".
According to McCarver (paraphrasing here) "Lincecum, unlike Arod, has taken to the bench role with positive attitude".A little different for pitchers.
Not a big A-Rod fan but kicking him when he's down (when he seems to be handling it as well as he could) doesn't make me like Mc Carver any more.
Okay, I'll add it in before gametime.
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Strike Out of Side [ ]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Blown call [ ]
Blown call costs game [ ]
Caught stealing []
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ]
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Balk [ ]
Game Goes past midnight []
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Cardinals crazy comeback retrospective [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned [ ]
FOX personality pointed out in crowd [ ]
NFL reference (beyond reference to NFL on FOX commercials) [ ]
Reference to McCarver's singing album [ ]
Mark McGwire mentioned by name [ ]
Willie Mays is in the crowd [ ]
Triples alley mentioned [ ]
Ball goes into McCovey cove [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
"Catching Molina Brother" [ ]
FOX introduces us to a commercial that becomes a meme [ ]
Joe Buck and Tim McCarver spend extended amount of time talking about Jeter [ ]
"Torture" mentioned [ ]
Cardinals are behind at any point [ ]
Carlos Beltran does something awesome [ ]
Mention that Matheny hadn't managed anything above his son's little league team before this year []
Replay of Hunter Pence pumping everyone up [ ]
Game 6 2011 WS flashback [ ]
Leonard/Ozzie Smith era Cardinals referenced [ ]
All the remaining managers were catchers [ ]
Mention that Tim McCarver was a catcher []
Ah, sorry about that. I'll fix it next page.
comments like these are why everybody hates us!
At least you guys seem to like your team though....
That's... unusual.
Is it?
I usually keep it to game broadcast itself.
On to the game
Nice catch with the sun.
I don't know, but I'm sure tomorrow somebody will claim that a billion-dollar-plus industry that has the highest attendance of any sports organization in the world is "dying".
Also, I could tell as soon as I saw that slide that Scutaro was going to be hurt.
I don't see that Scutaro did anything wrong there. Nice hustle from Holliday.
I imagine the path to earning the distinction of future hall of famer would be
1. Be very good at a young age, for a team that people watch
2. Be an actual hall of fame talent
3. spend your first 10 years with one team.
4. Have several hof lines (hof line is .300/30/100/100)or
4a. Multiple gold gloves with plus offense at a defense first position. (Centerfield is for some reason not considered a defense first position)
But it was perfectly ok when he was on the Rockies or A's.
After looking at the replay, it wasn't nearly as agressive as I thought, He did start the slide before the bag.
Indeed. He almost hit the bag.
Somewhere in the world, a game of doubles tennis is being televised for those folks who don't like baseball.
Well, he kinda hit the bag... to me, it's on the same level as trying to kill the catcher if he's between you and home plate.
Really Carp?
I'm sure you'll also applaud Vogelsong's hustle when he puts a ball in Holliday's ear-hole. Just as much a part of the game.
...are we alleging that baseball is meant to be a contact sport? Just curious.
Cardinals behind at any point [X]
Ah, fascinating.
PAGAN!
except the fact of him actually making contact with the bag. If you meant not actually attempting to stop on the bag, not sure that is required.
GUFFAW.
doubles tennisfootball is being televised for those folks who don't like baseball.FTFY.
Oh and PAGAN!!!
And now Scut, the best revenge is playing well
Yes, it is. Now you're starting to catch on.
He appeared to accidentally make contact with the far side of the base. But that wasn't his intent, given that he didn't start his slide until he was over the bag.
So you're admitting your weirdly shrill comment about me not liking baseball makes no sense, as I advocated reciprocation?
No, you #######, I'm chiding you for your passive-agressive whining about the way the game has been played for the past century. The idea that a hard slide into second is worthy of touching off a beanball war is just another bit of idiocy.
No, you #######, I'm chiding you for your passive-agressive whining about the way the game has been played for the past century. The idea that a hard slide into second is worthy of touching off a beanball war is just another bit of idiocy.
GUFFAW. (BTW, the ribs are in the torso.)
1st I'm not saying I approve of the slide, but it's well within the rules.
he started the slide before the bag, so I don't see how what you are asking applies here.
It was absolutely a dirty slide. But it was also within the rules.
That is awesome, if Fox is any good at a broadcast they will find this clip and put it on TV.
Apparently it's not just Giants fans who need to watch that video esseff posted.
Now if he keeps struggling it's Shelbytime or something.
I'm sure that there are plenty of people who're willing to trade guffaws with you, troll. I'm not one of them. So long.
Nice job from Carpenter to get out of that one.
No, he didn't. He didn't go down until he was over the bag. His first contact with the base was on the far side of the bag; he didn't actually make contact with the dirt on his slide until he was beyond the bag.
That said, she's one hell of a fan and is the reason I was at the 2010 NLCS clincher in Philly.
C'mon, you mean to say that going to an alicia Keys concert doesn't automatically make you interesting?
What a horrendous camera angle for that out.
There's a more accessible gif of that thing that was posted in yesterday's thread, but it starts after he finishes the slide, and is just lying there between the two Cardinals.
More like the opposite...
What makes it really questionable to me is how high he jumped at the beginning of the slide. He was pretty much airborne as he was going over the bag. Going that high makes it much more likely that you're going to trap the fielder's leg under you (as Holliday did) instead of flipping them.
Don't have tivo so can't check again, on the three times I've seen the play, two of them it looked like he started before the bag.
I know that most people when watching cardinal games and actions by their player, create a fictional universe in which something different happened than in reality, so I'll wait for the fourth or fifth replay of the slide to see if my memory is accurate.
I don't think there are too many people who're going to defend Oquendo for slapping noted STL great Will Clark in the back of the head after a takeout slide.
I don't entirely disagree, but that woman has some truly serious pipes. Worthy of admiration.
1. Be very good at a young age, for a team that people watch
2. Be an actual hall of fame talent
3. spend your first 10 years with one team.
4. Have several hof lines (hof line is .300/30/100/100)or
4a. Multiple gold gloves with plus offense at a defense first position. (Centerfield is for some reason not considered a defense first position)
Beltran was a Rookie of the Year, has 7 separate seasons of 100 runs and 100 RBI, and 3 Gold Gloves. Plus an .824 postseason slugging percentage. I'm gonna start using it, at least for as long as I remember.
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