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Disagree, he never touched dirt until after the bag, where you are when your feet leave the ground doesn't matter, my point is if you say the 2b/SS gets what he deserves if he comes to the 1b side of the bag, then the runner ought to be called if he blatantly does what Holiday did.
Scutaro seems to be ok, so I am moving on, I was just interested if the umps had any latitude in the situation?
I have a DVR and re-wound it twice to confirm. But I have no doubt you will see it differently regardless of how many replays you see, because you have to.
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You missed the first point(playing for a team that people watch) That is why he isn't a future hof. If he played for the Cubs he would have that label.
Not really. I don't care whether it's a clean or dirty slide, whether it's a legal or illegal slide. I fully support the pitcher beaning him next at bat etc. It's an event, it happened, the umps made their decision, the Giants didn't argue against it.
No, I caught that point. I'm saying I'm going to refer to him as "future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran" at every opportunity, not that I expect anyone else to.
And if Beltran had played for the Cubs, Chicago would be a happier city today.
If not a popular team, playing for one team is helpful too. It's why guys like Cone, Brown and someday Sheffield get less support than they should.
Beltran plays for teams that are often in the postseason, thus allowing him to be "watched" by national audiences every damn October.
1) the 2B's little kick was a ##### move
2) Swinging and missing was a transferable skill for Ozzie, wasn't it?
The point of my list was that "future hof" is a label given to players who are very good early in their careers and seen by the national media, Beltran was a Royal and missed out of the national spotlight. As someone else pointed out, staying with one team as you accumulate career numbers helps(See Tony Gwynn who was called a future hofer for about 10 years as a player)
My list was meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek though.
I hadn't noticed, are they doing that?
The gif posted above shows that Holliday got his spikes stuck about a yard from the bag and gouged out a huge chunk of dirt before going airborne. He's lucky he didn't tear up a knee, but that's par for the course with Holliday, the most awkward non-Pence player in the game.
Agreed. I don't know how you change the rules to make it illegal, but absolutely the rule should be worded some way, in that the runner should make every attempt to stop at the bag or avoid the fielder.
i think most folks have completely forgotten how hot beltran was in 2004
I remember him hitting 1340 homers against the Cards in the NLCS like it was yesterday.
Ah yes, the Paul Scholes defense.
Which he presumably uses to watch programming that features women who walk around naked.
Nice play there by Belt to strand future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran at second.
Edit - make that Tuesday's checklist, I am assuming Fox won't share the technology with tbs
And that guy reaching out should be ejected or at least required to catch a fastball with his nuts,
Translation for Americans, please.
molina's walk in game 5 was the at bat of the night
- hehhehhehhehheh
HEHHEHHEHHEH
not THIS grrrl
i can still remember it like it was yesterday - and screaming/cheering until i lost my breath. PRAYING, HOPING that even though he is a boras guy, he would still want to stay in houston (and he coulda gone to the Series with us and probably won it for us seeing as how biggio and bagwell turned into sub-mendoza in the playoffs their ENTIRE careers)
but no
and what he got, he asked for it
which is why all the
HEH HEH HEH
Harv, good point.
Really? Holliday was on him before Scutaro was even turned around.
again, that is a st. louis paper for those a bit slow on the uptake
Repeatedly using awkwardness as an excuse for nasty tackles. On the other hand, "The Ginger Ninja" is one of my all time favorite nicknames. Scholes video
Edit: Also, I resent your implication. San Francisco hasn't successfully seceded, yet.
Generations of middle infielders have mostly been jumping over runners who were on the ground, which is easier.
English Soccer player, great at virtually every phase of the game but laughably bad at tackling. Often gets yellow cards (formal warnings) for bumbling his way into opponents in dangerous fashion. Fans argue he's just bad at it and accidentally crashes into foes, enemies argue that it's not as innocent as that.
Just catching up. So I take it Holliday didn't slide at second and took out Scutaro like he was a catcher? Is that the basic story?
Don't understand why a sports rule should be based upon intent. If it's an illegal action, it's illegal regardless of the intent.
On the ground and on the first base side of the bag.
See the GIF at comment 112.
i can't believe how angry so many non-Nats fans + Sam H are with the cards. who are HARDLY the MFY buying up everyone in sight. well, think of all those seasons of 100+ wins, hi 90s wins and no cigar. this is getting even
In each case it's a foul, the difference is one of discipline. If Carpeneter accidentally hits Posey with a pitch no big deal, if he does so intentionally he might be ejected. Same general idea.
They are like the Yankees' younger brother.
Giants are done in this game. Carpenter is going the distance now
More of a chop-block than a slide, and late, making contact past the bag.
EDIT: And aimed at the knees.
I hate rules that try to determine intent, let the league handle it with fines, but as far as play on the field, the rules should be as black and white as possible.
Thanks. From the gif it looks like he went in a little slow, but that of course could be deceiving (given that it's slow motion and all).
This presumes the Cards can score again.
I like the way you think, but you can't blame them for resenting TLR (who many Cardinal fans disliked in spite of the success his tenure brought). That said, the Braves and Red Sox are the Yankees' little brothers. The Cardinals are the Marlins' big brother.
??????
they have mostly homegrown players - and one big money FA playing. i mean, that wasn't theirs. there are no hellaciously expensive tickets and the stadium wasn't built on the taxpayers money. and they don't get pimped by espn
Brain damage.
Not Conradian, it was weird more than anything.
Conradian? That was a weird angle....
Nah.
Hence why Billy Beane's #### doesn't work.
- carpenter is a HOVG pitcher at best. clemens, at least his last 3 years in houston, was beyond belief. and can't nobody tell me that shooting HGH 5 years earlier was what did it
- clemens wasn't douchy in houston. at least not the first 2 years. the 3rd year with the Return On June 22 was Prima Donna Mucho-est
- ida know bout that
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