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Monday, October 15, 2012

LCS Day 3: Cardinals at Giants

So, the Cardinals have won game one. Judging by the NLDS, this means the Giants are just biding their time, or something like that.

GAMES TODAY:
St. Louis Cardinals (Chris Carpenter) @ San Francisco Giants (Ryan Vogelsong). 8:00 PM, FOX.

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   101. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4271717)
he started the slide before the bag, so I don't see how what you are asking applies here.]


Disagree, he never touched dirt until after the bag, where you are when your feet leave the ground doesn't matter, my point is if you say the 2b/SS gets what he deserves if he comes to the 1b side of the bag, then the runner ought to be called if he blatantly does what Holiday did.

Scutaro seems to be ok, so I am moving on, I was just interested if the umps had any latitude in the situation?
   102. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4271718)
You know Joe, we would like to be able to judge the strike zone the same way you do, but we would actually need to see a few pitches from a different angle than behind the umpire.
   103. Chip Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4271719)
Don't have tivo so can't check again, on the three times I've seen the play, two of them it looked like he started before the bag.

I know that most people when watching cardinal games and actions by their player, create a fictional universe in which something different happened than in reality, so I'll wait for the fourth or fifth replay of the slide to see if my memory is accurate.


I have a DVR and re-wound it twice to confirm. But I have no doubt you will see it differently regardless of how many replays you see, because you have to.

   104. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4271720)
We've got ourselves a leather lunged fan
   105. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4271721)
Carpenter is a WAY better hitter after this surgery.
   106. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4271722)

CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Strike Out of Side [ ]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Blown call [ ]
Blown call costs game [ ]
Caught stealing []
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ]
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Balk [ ]
Game Goes past midnight []
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Cardinals crazy comeback retrospective [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Pitcher gets a hit [X ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned [ ]
FOX personality pointed out in crowd [ ]
NFL reference (beyond reference to NFL on FOX commercials) [ ]
Reference to McCarver's singing album [ ]
Mark McGwire mentioned by name [ ]
Willie Mays is in the crowd [ ]
Triples alley mentioned [ ]
Ball goes into McCovey cove [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ X]
"Catching Molina Brother" [ ]
FOX introduces us to a commercial that becomes a meme [ ]
Joe Buck and Tim McCarver spend extended amount of time talking about Jeter [ ]
"Torture" mentioned [ ]
Cardinals are behind at any point [ X]
Carlos Beltran does something awesome [ ]
Mention that Matheny hadn't managed anything above his son's little league team before this year []
Replay of Hunter Pence pumping everyone up [ ]
Game 6 2011 WS flashback [ ]
Leonard/Ozzie Smith era Giants/Cardinals referenced [ X]
All the remaining managers were catchers [ ]
Mention that Tim McCarver was a catcher []
   107. Lassus Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4271723)
Carpenter freaking tagged that one.
   108. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4271725)
Beltran was a Rookie of the Year, has 7 separate seasons of 100 runs and 100 RBI, and 3 Gold Gloves. Plus an .824 postseason slugging percentage. I'm gonna start using it, at least for as long as I remember.


You missed the first point(playing for a team that people watch) That is why he isn't a future hof. If he played for the Cubs he would have that label.
   109. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4271728)
I have a DVR and re-wound it twice to confirm. But I have no doubt you will see it differently regardless of how many replays you see, because you have to.


Not really. I don't care whether it's a clean or dirty slide, whether it's a legal or illegal slide. I fully support the pitcher beaning him next at bat etc. It's an event, it happened, the umps made their decision, the Giants didn't argue against it.
   110. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4271729)
You missed the first point(playing for a team that people watch) That is why he isn't a future hof. If he played for the Cubs he would have that label.

No, I caught that point. I'm saying I'm going to refer to him as "future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran" at every opportunity, not that I expect anyone else to.

And if Beltran had played for the Cubs, Chicago would be a happier city today.
   111. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4271730)
You missed the first point(playing for a team that people watch) That is why he isn't a future hof. If he played for the Cubs he would have that label.


If not a popular team, playing for one team is helpful too. It's why guys like Cone, Brown and someday Sheffield get less support than they should.
   112. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4271731)
   113. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4271732)

You missed the first point(playing for a team that people watch) That is why he isn't a future hof. If he played for the Cubs he would have that label.


Beltran plays for teams that are often in the postseason, thus allowing him to be "watched" by national audiences every damn October.
   114. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4271733)
Jose's commercial update, don't like the apple commercial where the guy says cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeese while taking a picture if a bunch of kids. The feature itself is really cool though
   115. Mayor Blomberg Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4271734)
2 things about the clip in 77

1) the 2B's little kick was a ##### move
2) Swinging and missing was a transferable skill for Ozzie, wasn't it?
   116. ASmitty Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4271735)
Yikes. If that slide was legal, it shouldn't be. That was dirty.
   117. deputydrew Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4271736)
Just watched the Will Clark slide Esseff linked to. First, full disclosure - I'm a huge Will Clark fan. With that out of the way, let me say two things: (i) Clark clearly started his slide at least two feet before the bag. He's moving too fast to really see it, but you can see the dirt float in the air from where he first touched down; and (ii) he actually SLID as opposed to jumping at the infielder's knees.
   118. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4271737)
In the most recent replay, I especially enjoy Holliday pinning Scutaro's leg, then shoving it into the ground at an even more awkward angle twice in a row before getting up.
   119. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4271738)
That's more like it Carp. Get some grounders.
   120. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4271739)
seriously, what gives with that BEHIND THE PLATE camera angle????
   121. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4271740)
They foolishly didn't get 10 runs on Carpenter in the first inning, when he was vulnerable.
   122. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4271741)
How come the creepy husband/dad in the cable family doesn't have any giant notifications following him around?
   123. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4271742)
Beltran plays for teams that are often in the postseason, thus allowing him to be "watched" by national audiences every damn October.


The point of my list was that "future hof" is a label given to players who are very good early in their careers and seen by the national media, Beltran was a Royal and missed out of the national spotlight. As someone else pointed out, staying with one team as you accumulate career numbers helps(See Tony Gwynn who was called a future hofer for about 10 years as a player)

My list was meant to be somewhat tongue in cheek though.
   124. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4271743)
seriously, what gives with that BEHIND THE PLATE camera angle????


I hadn't noticed, are they doing that?
   125. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:55 PM (#4271746)
he actually SLID as opposed to jumping at the infielder's knees.


The gif posted above shows that Holliday got his spikes stuck about a yard from the bag and gouged out a huge chunk of dirt before going airborne. He's lucky he didn't tear up a knee, but that's par for the course with Holliday, the most awkward non-Pence player in the game.
   126. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4271747)
Yikes. If that slide was legal, it shouldn't be. That was dirty.


Agreed. I don't know how you change the rules to make it illegal, but absolutely the rule should be worded some way, in that the runner should make every attempt to stop at the bag or avoid the fielder.
   127. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4271748)
Future HOF Beltran makes it to second base.
   128. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4271749)
the weird thing is that i have seen the highlight of beltran striking out as a met in the 2006 playoffs at least 50 times and beltran killing everyone in the 2004 playoffs hardly at all

i think most folks have completely forgotten how hot beltran was in 2004
   129. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4271750)
Fine at bat from future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran.
   130. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4271751)
Well, I guess I am ok with hitting Holliday here...
   131. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4271752)
Ty Cobb thinks Matt Holliday is a pansy.
   132. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4271753)
Holliday up...
   133. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:57 PM (#4271754)
Good. I like Holliday but its good to have a villain.
   134. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4271755)
i think most folks have completely forgotten how hot beltran was in 2004

I remember him hitting 1340 homers against the Cards in the NLCS like it was yesterday.
   135. deputydrew Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4271757)
Scott Cousins did not "slide" by any reasonable definition of the word.
   136. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4271758)
The gif posted above shows that Holliday got his spikes stuck about a yard from the bag and gouged out a huge chunk of dirt before going airborne. He's lucky he didn't tear up a knee, but that's par for the course with Holliday, the most awkward non-Pence player in the game.


Ah yes, the Paul Scholes defense.
   137. Lassus Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4271760)
I'm not sure whose job it is at SBNation to make gifs, but there are only about half a million 17-year-olds on tumblr who would have done a better job with it.
   138. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4271761)
How come the creepy husband/dad in the cable family doesn't have any giant notifications following him around?
He has his own secret cable box.
   139. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4271762)
Craig is not seeing the ball too well, he is swinging and missing quite a bit. Need him to pick it up.
   140. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4271764)
5000 frames per second? Wow! (Is that a lot?)
   141. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4271765)
He has his own secret cable box.

Which he presumably uses to watch programming that features women who walk around naked.

Nice play there by Belt to strand future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran at second.
   142. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4271766)
Ugh, worst place to hit a foul there.
   143. deputydrew Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4271767)
Belt is great on foul pop ups. Fearless and seems to always know where he is in relation to the boundary.
   144. Lassus Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4271768)
Nice play, Belt.
   145. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4271769)
Yadi uncharacteristically unclutch so far this postseason.... he's like 2-for-30...
   146. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4271770)
Tomorrows checklist item - 5000 frames per second camera actually adds some insight to the coverage

Edit - make that Tuesday's checklist, I am assuming Fox won't share the technology with tbs
   147. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4271771)
Would have expected a guy playing in his home park to look a bit more comfortable than Belt did.

And that guy reaching out should be ejected or at least required to catch a fastball with his nuts,
   148. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4271772)
Ah yes, the Paul Scholes defense.


Translation for Americans, please.
   149. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4271773)
On that play at second, why didn't Scutaro simply hop over the sliding runner, as done by generations of middle infielders, instead of planting his leg on the bag?
   150. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4271774)
salvo

molina's walk in game 5 was the at bat of the night
   151. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4271775)
128. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 08:56 PM (#4271749)

the weird thing is that i have seen the highlight of beltran striking out as a met in the 2006 playoffs at least 50 times


- hehhehhehhehheh
HEHHEHHEHHEH

and beltran killing everyone in the 2004 playoffs hardly at all

i think most folks have completely forgotten how hot beltran was in 2004


not THIS grrrl

i can still remember it like it was yesterday - and screaming/cheering until i lost my breath. PRAYING, HOPING that even though he is a boras guy, he would still want to stay in houston (and he coulda gone to the Series with us and probably won it for us seeing as how biggio and bagwell turned into sub-mendoza in the playoffs their ENTIRE careers)

but no
and what he got, he asked for it
which is why all the
HEH HEH HEH

   152. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4271777)
I wonder if I could build a missile, and aim it with the instructions "behind home plate camera".
   153. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4271778)
5000 Frames Per Second is meant for super-duper slow motion. If you've ever seen a slow-motion video of a bullet going through a can of jello, for example, that was probably around 5000 FPS.
   154. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4271779)
Fine work by future Hall of Famer Carlos Beltran to keep that to a single.
   155. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4271780)
molina's walk in game 5 was the at bat of the night


Harv, good point.
   156. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4271781)
I don't think that was fair, but oh well.
   157. ASmitty Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4271782)
On that play at second, why didn't Scutaro simply hop over the sliding runner, as done by generations of middle infielders, instead of planting his leg on the bag?


Really? Holliday was on him before Scutaro was even turned around.
   158. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:12 PM (#4271783)
the st louis post dispatch game blog describes holliday as going into scutaro as if he was blocking a field goal.

again, that is a st. louis paper for those a bit slow on the uptake
   159. Darkness and the howling fantods Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4271784)
Translation for Americans, please.


Repeatedly using awkwardness as an excuse for nasty tackles. On the other hand, "The Ginger Ninja" is one of my all time favorite nicknames. Scholes video

Edit: Also, I resent your implication. San Francisco hasn't successfully seceded, yet.
   160. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4271785)
On that play at second, why didn't Scutaro simply hop over the sliding runner, as done by generations of middle infielders, instead of planting his leg on the bag?

Generations of middle infielders have mostly been jumping over runners who were on the ground, which is easier.
   161. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4271788)
Future Hof'er Posey needs to start hitting.

   162. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4271789)
Ah yes, the Paul Scholes defense.


Translation for Americans, please.


English Soccer player, great at virtually every phase of the game but laughably bad at tackling. Often gets yellow cards (formal warnings) for bumbling his way into opponents in dangerous fashion. Fans argue he's just bad at it and accidentally crashes into foes, enemies argue that it's not as innocent as that.
   163. Fat Al Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4271791)
the st louis post dispatch game blog describes holliday as going into scutaro as if he was blocking a field goal.

again, that is a st. louis paper for those a bit slow on the uptake


Just catching up. So I take it Holliday didn't slide at second and took out Scutaro like he was a catcher? Is that the basic story?
   164. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4271792)
English Soccer player, great at virtually every phase of the game but laughably bad at tackling. Often gets yellow cards (formal warnings) for bumbling his way into opponents in dangerous fashion. Fans argue he's just bad at it and accidentally crashes into foes, enemies argue that it's not as innocent as that.


Don't understand why a sports rule should be based upon intent. If it's an illegal action, it's illegal regardless of the intent.
   165. deputydrew Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4271793)

Generations of middle infielders have mostly been jumping over runners who were on the ground, which is easier.


On the ground and on the first base side of the bag.
   166. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4271794)
Just catching up. So I take it Holliday didn't slide at second and took out Scutaro like he was a catcher? Is that the basic story?


See the GIF at comment 112.
   167. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4271795)
Good positioning by Scutaro.
   168. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4271796)
i can't handle cheering for chris carpenter. can NOT be done. even Mama is having a tough time with this.

i can't believe how angry so many non-Nats fans + Sam H are with the cards. who are HARDLY the MFY buying up everyone in sight. well, think of all those seasons of 100+ wins, hi 90s wins and no cigar. this is getting even
   169. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4271797)
NFL Mention (Joe Buck's ride from the football game) [X]
   170. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4271798)
Don't understand why a sports rule should be based upon intent. If it's an illegal action, it's illegal regardless of the intent


In each case it's a foul, the difference is one of discipline. If Carpeneter accidentally hits Posey with a pitch no big deal, if he does so intentionally he might be ejected. Same general idea.
   171. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4271799)

i can't believe how angry so many non-Nats fans + Sam H are with the cards. who are HARDLY the MFY buying up everyone in sight.


They are like the Yankees' younger brother.
   172. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4271800)
Are they trying to make me have a stroke out of anger. How many pitches are they going to show from behind the catcher. Who the #### thinks that is a camera angle anyone wants to see?
   173. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4271801)
I tried to find the picture of Paul Scholes in a New York Mets hat, but couldn't. One of United's summer trips the team had an off day in New York and Scholes thought that while in the USA he should see a baseball game and so he went to the Mets game.
   174. Honkie Kong Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4271802)
Chris Carpenter gives me the Roger Clemens vibe. An obviously great pitcher, and so many douchey vibes that it is hard to root for him.
Giants are done in this game. Carpenter is going the distance now
   175. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4271803)
So I take it Holliday didn't slide at second and took out Scutaro like he was a catcher? Is that the basic story?

More of a chop-block than a slide, and late, making contact past the bag.

EDIT: And aimed at the knees.
   176. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4271804)
In each case it's a foul, the difference is one of discipline. If Carpeneter accidentally hits Posey with a pitch no big deal, if he does so intentionally he might be ejected. Same general idea.


I hate rules that try to determine intent, let the league handle it with fines, but as far as play on the field, the rules should be as black and white as possible.
   177. Fat Al Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4271805)
See the GIF at comment 112.


Thanks. From the gif it looks like he went in a little slow, but that of course could be deceiving (given that it's slow motion and all).
   178. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4271806)
Giants are done in this game. Carpenter is going the distance now

This presumes the Cards can score again.
   179. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4271807)
Matt Cain's head looks like, uh, who is it.... an actor...
   180. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4271808)
Pence pumping everyone up [X]
   181. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4271809)
Pence is displaying remarkable plate discipline for him so far.
   182. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4271810)
Have to credit Joe Buck for going to the slide with Cain.

   183. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4271811)
Belt's good. What took so long for the Giants to play him everyday?
   184. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4271812)
Ugh, that was bad luck.
   185. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4271814)
Chopped over him.
   186. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4271815)

i can't believe how angry so many non-Nats fans + Sam H are with the cards. who are HARDLY the MFY buying up everyone in sight. well, think of all those seasons of 100+ wins, hi 90s wins and no cigar. this is getting even


I like the way you think, but you can't blame them for resenting TLR (who many Cardinal fans disliked in spite of the success his tenure brought). That said, the Braves and Red Sox are the Yankees' little brothers. The Cardinals are the Marlins' big brother.
   187. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4271816)
171. Slivers of Maranville (SdeB) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:20 PM (#4271799)

i can't believe how angry so many non-Nats fans + Sam H are with the cards. who are HARDLY the MFY buying up everyone in sight.


They are like the Yankees' younger brother.


??????

they have mostly homegrown players - and one big money FA playing. i mean, that wasn't theirs. there are no hellaciously expensive tickets and the stadium wasn't built on the taxpayers money. and they don't get pimped by espn
   188. Baldrick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4271817)
Belt's good. What took so long for the Giants to play him everyday?

Brain damage.
   189. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4271819)
Conradian? That was a weird angle....
   190. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4271820)
That was even worse luck.

Not Conradian, it was weird more than anything.
   191. Lassus Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4271821)
God I hate FOX. ####### worthless ####### interviews.


Conradian? That was a weird angle....

Nah.
   192. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4271822)
For some reason it always surprises me how large Holliday is. He looks musclebound.
   193. deputydrew Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:29 PM (#4271823)
Crawford could have spiked Allen's ankle, if he was playing by Holliday's rules...
   194. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4271825)
This is why the playoffs are such a crap shoot. Bad luck happens to everyone, and is enormously important.
   195. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4271827)
ok carpenter making an error is kind of fun to watch
   196. Robinson Cano Plate Like Home Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4271828)
Do you have to actually hit the runner to get the inside the base path call?
   197. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:30 PM (#4271829)
This is why the playoffs are such a crap shoot. Bad luck happens to everyone, and is enormously important.


Hence why Billy Beane's #### doesn't work.
   198. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4271830)
That is the second Wild Man sighting this inning
   199. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4271831)
174. Teheran's Uranium Enriched Missiles Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:21 PM (#4271802)

Chris Carpenter gives me the Roger Clemens vibe. An obviously great pitcher, and so many douchey vibes that it is hard to root for him.


- carpenter is a HOVG pitcher at best. clemens, at least his last 3 years in houston, was beyond belief. and can't nobody tell me that shooting HGH 5 years earlier was what did it
- clemens wasn't douchy in houston. at least not the first 2 years. the 3rd year with the Return On June 22 was Prima Donna Mucho-est


Giants are done in this game. Carpenter is going the distance now


- ida know bout that
   200. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 15, 2012 at 09:33 PM (#4271832)
This is approximately the hugest moment of the series, possibly.
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