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Monday, October 15, 2012

LCS Day 3: Cardinals at Giants

So, the Cardinals have won game one. Judging by the NLDS, this means the Giants are just biding their time, or something like that.

GAMES TODAY:
St. Louis Cardinals (Chris Carpenter) @ San Francisco Giants (Ryan Vogelsong). 8:00 PM, FOX.

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   401. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM (#4272083)
Even the Riot gets a hit! I think the Cards are executing my strategy re: getting Ryan more playing time.
   402. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM (#4272084)
Good old fashioned whuppin.
   403. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM (#4272085)

Not only that, but "Money for Nothing." Ha!


It just gets better and better.
   404. Srul Itza Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:05 PM (#4272086)
Pour it on, boys. There is no safe lead against these guys.
   405. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4272087)
shelby
if you throw it right down the middle even Riot can hit that
   406. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4272088)
Freese's playoff WPA dropping like a LF popup

Well, I'm not familiar with an implementation of WPA that gives credit to fielders even for errors, let alone for that kind of play. And even if there were one, the Cards are already down by 4; the win impact of that play was .2%.

Still, not an especially good game from Freese. But yesterday's game was more good than today's has been bad.
   407. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4272089)
over 1/3 of the way there to your 20-1 goal Guts :)

Still don't care!

Although Shelby will never be able to wipe this stain from his postseason ERA. Though I guess these runs are probably not earned due to LOLFreese.
   408. boteman Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4272090)
If you can't throw out Aubrey Huff huffing and puffing to score from 2B, you might as well pack up your sh|t and go home.
   409. Gamingboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4272091)
CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Strike Out of Side [ ]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Blown call [X ]
Blown call costs game [ ]
Caught stealing []
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ]
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ X]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Balk [ ]
Game Goes past midnight []
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [X ]
Cardinals crazy comeback retrospective [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
Pitcher gets a hit [X ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
Barry Bonds mentioned [X ]
FOX personality pointed out in crowd [ ]
NFL reference (beyond reference to NFL on FOX commercials) [ X]
Reference to McCarver's singing album [ ]
Mark McGwire mentioned by name [ ]
Willie Mays is in the crowd [ ]
Triples alley mentioned [ ]
Ball goes into McCovey cove [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ X]
"Catching Molina Brother" [ ]
FOX introduces us to a commercial that becomes a meme [ ]
Joe Buck and Tim McCarver spend extended amount of time talking about Jeter [ ]
"Torture" mentioned [ ]
Cardinals are behind at any point [ X]
Carlos Beltran does something awesome [ ]
Mention that Matheny hadn't managed anything above his son's little league team before this year []
Replay of Hunter Pence pumping everyone up [ X]
Game 6 2011 WS flashback [ ]
Leonard/Ozzie Smith era Giants/Cardinals referenced [ ]
All the remaining managers were catchers [ ]
Mention that Tim McCarver was a catcher []
   410. The Artist Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:06 PM (#4272092)
Holy ####, Huff scored! He runs like a parapalegic on a bad day.
   411. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4272093)
If you can't throw out Aubrey Huff huffing and puffing to score from 2B, you might as well pack up your sh|t and go home.


yeah, no ####, the ball was over the infield, when they cut to Huff who still had 5 seconds of huffing to do before he reached the plate.
   412. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:07 PM (#4272094)
i swear that matt holliday used to be a much better fielder

wasn't he???
   413. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4272095)
It's both happy and sad for this Mets fan to watch both Pagan and Beltran excel.
   414. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4272097)
i swear that matt holliday used to be a much better fielder

wasn't he???


No. He has always played the game as though he's wearing snowshoes.
   415. Into the Void Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:08 PM (#4272098)
Serious question- what percentage of BBTF commenters can run faster than Aubrey Huff at this point? 30 or 40%?
   416. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4272099)
Scrabble v. Posey - who thought this was a good idea?

Of course he strikes out.
   417. salvomania Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4272100)
i swear that matt holliday used to be a much better fielder


I keep hearing that, but I've watched him every day for 2-1/2 years and have never had that impression.

He's like a lumbering buffalo with a mitt.

EDIT: 3-1/2 years. Man does time fly when you're old.
   418. Chris Fluit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:09 PM (#4272101)
Gaming boy, a ball went int McCovey Cove but it didn't count because it was a foul ball.
   419. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4272102)
Well, I'm not familiar with an implementation of WPA that gives credit to fielders even for errors, let alone for that kind of play. And even if there were one, the Cards are already down by 4; the win impact of that play was .2%.


I didn't think it counted, was just trying to make a lame joke
   420. Into the Void Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4272103)
i swear that matt holliday used to be a much better fielder


You mean before he started taking fly balls to the balls?
   421. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4272104)
I think the Cards are executing my strategy re: getting Ryan more playing time.

The Giants seem to be doing the same thing with Scrabble.
   422. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4272105)
Does it make a difference? Might as well get him some work and give the decent members of the pen the night off.
   423. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4272106)
Well, when he can successfully launch mutual funds and etfs, I'll stop ripping his baserunning.
   424. jack the seal clubber (on the sidelines of life) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:10 PM (#4272107)
go Giants
   425. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:11 PM (#4272109)
i swear that matt holliday used to be a much better fielder

wasn't he???


No, he's only a better fielder in comparison to other left fielders.

what I mean, is that left fielders for the most part on average, aren't that good of a fielder. Matt in comparison to the average left fielder isn't horrible, because he is usually in the right spot. Not that he has any range, or actual defensive skill. Compared to the average softball player, he's a poor fielder.
   426. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:11 PM (#4272110)
I didn't think it counted, was just trying to make a lame joke

Fair enough; as my work in this thread shows, I'm not immune to that impulse.
   427. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:12 PM (#4272111)
You mean before he started taking fly balls to the balls?


That is rarified air, the only other time I saw that was Dante Bichette when playing RF for the Brewers.
   428. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4272113)

No, he's only a better fielder in comparison to other left fielders.


He's the least athletic, grinder-ish good to great player I've ever seen. It's painful to watch him hit, run, and field, and his tattoos suck, but somehow he manages to put up four win seasons every year.
   429. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:13 PM (#4272114)
Serious question- what percentage of BBTF commenters can run faster than Aubrey Huff at this point? 30 or 40%?

I got into a debate about this with a buddy recently. He thought that all mlb athletes were superhuman and that, say, 34 year old Carlos Delgado was definitely faster than me. I think I'm probably faster than several dozen players.
   430. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4272116)
Why is Romo in with a 7-1 score? Seems like a Mota moment
   431. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:14 PM (#4272117)
What??!? The Cards can get hits? Why didn't we discover this earlier?
   432. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4272118)
I got into a debate about this with a buddy recently. He thought that all mlb athletes were superhuman and that, say, 34 year old Carlos Delgado was definitely faster than me. I think I'm probably faster than several dozen players.


Superhuman maybe not, but I think you would be surprised at how fast even the slow players really are.
   433. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4272120)
Tim McCarver just made me understand less about percentages.
   434. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4272122)
It's a fait accompli that they're going to score seven runs this inning. Get ready.
   435. boteman Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:15 PM (#4272123)
[x] Hunter Pence looking goofy.
   436. The Artist Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4272125)
Wait, #435, Pence looking goofy happens anytime you see him on screen!
   437. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4272126)
2-0 count and you are expanding your strike zone? Make him throw strikes.
   438. Chris Fluit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:16 PM (#4272127)
I thought I paid attention to baseball but I hadn't heard of Descalso or Kozma until this postseason.
   439. boteman Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4272128)
Why is Romo in with a 7-1 score? Seems like a Mota moment

Yes, the post-season master Davey Johnson threw Drew Storen in a lopsided game, I guess to get him some work. Then 2 nights later in game 5, his third consecutive night of work, when his gas tank was empty and it really counted...nuttin.
   440. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:17 PM (#4272129)
Ok Kozmania, 7 run HR. Easy.
   441. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4272130)
I thought I paid attention to baseball but I hadn't heard of Descalso or Kozma until this postseason.

Kozma, don't blame you, he's been a meh prospect for years. Descalso played quite a bit in the postseason last year though.
   442. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:18 PM (#4272131)
The Asbestos Cardinals will have to take their show back home to St.Louis.
   443. Portia Stanke Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4272132)
Crush Bumgarner, get shut down by Vogelsong. Makes sense. Go get 'em Wednesday.
   444. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4272133)
Gotta see if I can get Gm 5 tix
   445. Chris Fluit Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4272134)
#432: I play softball against a guy who played college ball for South Carolina but wasn't good enough to get signed. He crushes us completely. So yeah, even the washouts are pretty good athletes.
   446. Guts Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:19 PM (#4272135)
Thankfully that is finally over. I am ok with the split.

See you guys tomorrow night, as usual.
   447. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:21 PM (#4272136)
How the F### do you run the bases with a lot of emotion, silly hot chick?
   448. base ball chick Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4272141)
i meant when holliday was with the rox - i mean, i disremember him fielding with his balls

speaking of balls, i just asked Husband about getting an IV in his sack and he immediately turned green which is not a real too good color for a brotha (or a White boy neither)

so i don't know who is into getting caverned but i DO know who is NOT into it
   449. boteman Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:22 PM (#4272142)
Scutaro en route to hospital for NMR (that's an MRI to you and me) scan.
   450. PreservedFish Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:27 PM (#4272147)
#432: I play softball against a guy who played college ball for South Carolina but wasn't good enough to get signed. He crushes us completely. So yeah, even the washouts are pretty good athletes.


Oh, I know that. But come on, Aubrey Huff. I can outrun Aubrey Huff.
   451. cardsfanboy Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:28 PM (#4272149)
Never came close to a bingo tonite. :(
   452. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:46 PM (#4272161)
I played a couple softball games with a college player, and he hit several towering fly balls. Did not hit one out.
   453. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 15, 2012 at 11:58 PM (#4272170)
I played a couple softball games with a college player, and he hit several towering fly balls. Did not hit one out.

You can always spot the ex-baseball players who haven't played slow-pitch much yet.
   454. tshipman Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:08 AM (#4272177)
Just got home from the game. What happened to Scutaro? didn't see him get hurt in any kind of obvious way.

Admittedly, I haven't been to as many games as some on this board, but easily the best game I've ever been to. Crowd was electric all night.
   455. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:12 AM (#4272182)
Just got home from the game. What happened to Scutaro? didn't see him get hurt in any kind of obvious way.

You missed the take-out slide/chop-block?
   456. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:13 AM (#4272183)
Just got home from the game. What happened to Scutaro? didn't see him get hurt in any kind of obvious way.


Scutaro was injured when Holliday crashed into him in the first inning. Fox claimed Scutaro was limping later on in the game and the trainer was constantly talking to him. Scutaro wanted to stay in the game, but the Giants forced him out. He's getting MRIs done and might've hurt his hip.
   457. tshipman Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:15 AM (#4272184)
You missed the take-out slide/chop-block?


Saw it, but he kept playing, so I didn't think it was that bad.

Scutaro was injured when Holliday crashed into him in the first inning. Fox claimed Scutaro was limping later on in the game and the trainer was constantly talking to him. Scutaro wanted to stay in the game, but the Giants forced him out. He's getting MRIs done and might've hurt his hip.


Huh. He still came up with the big hit. I guess ... good job on Scutaro. Kind of curious what the consensus here was. I thought it was a rough play, but hey, that's baseball.
   458. cardsfanboy Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:18 AM (#4272186)
Huh. He still came up with the big hit. I guess ... good job on Scutaro. Kind of curious what the consensus here was. I thought it was a rough play, but hey, that's baseball.


Dirty play, arguably within the rules, but it's the reason people hate the Cardinals because of players like Holliday that we have developed.
   459. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:19 AM (#4272188)
Kruk & Schilling had a decidedly negative view of Holliday's slide. Suspect that is the consensus.
   460. tshipman Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:22 AM (#4272190)
Okay, so I read through the first couple pages. The gif posted really made it clear that not only did Holliday start his slide late, but he also hooked Scutaro's leg with his arm. It's one thing to slide late, but the thing with his arm made the play pretty damn dirty.

I think the office of the commissioner should probably fine him.
   461. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:36 AM (#4272192)
I think the office of the commissioner should probably fine him.

Could be misremembering, but I don't think anyone's ever been fined for going into second. Up to the players to police this. Schilling was quite candid that a pitcher's job includes making sure that the other team is dissuaded from making "overly aggressive" plays. Since this is the playoffs, some of the remedial education may extend into the 2013 regular season.
   462. PreservedFish Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:42 AM (#4272194)
I think that was definitely a rough play.
   463. tshipman Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:46 AM (#4272196)
Could be misremembering, but I don't think anyone's ever been fined for going into second. Up to the players to police this. Schilling was quite candid that a pitcher's job includes making sure that the other team is dissuaded from making "overly aggressive" plays. Since this is the playoffs, some of the remedial education may extend into the 2013 regular season.


Hmmm... you're probably right. I'm getting the NBA mixed up here. Well, it is a better system to fine guys than to have beanball wars.

I guess Holliday can expect one in the ribs next game if he bats with no one on and two outs.
   464. dr. scott Posted: October 16, 2012 at 12:57 AM (#4272199)
I could have outrun today's huff 4 years ago, but ever since I broke my leg into several prieces while skiing badly, I run a lot like... Huff with a limp. Softball I an adventure these days.

As for Hunter P. I find it constantly distressing that the Giants have Anthony Michael Hall in right field. I keep getting worried he's charging a buck to the late season callups for a glimpse of Huffs ralley thong under the bleachers.
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