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Friday, October 19, 2012

LCS Round Day 7: Game 5 of the ALCS

Will this be the final day before the World Series is all set? Or will the Giants fight on?

San Francisco Giants (Zito) @ St. Louis Cardinals (Lynn). 8:00 on FOX. Cardinals lead 3-1.

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   1. John DiFool2 Posted: October 19, 2012 at 06:55 AM (#4276395)
Game 5 of the ALCS? Let's do the time warp again...
   2. Leroy Kincaid Posted: October 19, 2012 at 07:08 AM (#4276397)
Just more preferential treatment for the Yankees.
   3. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4276443)
Typical east coast bias.
   4. escabeche Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:21 AM (#4276445)
This thread is from the alternate universe where the Orioles are up on the Tigers 3-1.
   5. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:36 AM (#4276454)
I think in alternative universes, the Orioles parlay their +7 run differential into an 82-80 record and watch the playoffs on TV, like the rest of us.
   6. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4276469)
I think in alternative universes, the Orioles parlay their +7 run differential into an 82-80 record and watch the playoffs on TV, like the rest of us.


They then fire Buck Showalter, hire Terry Francona and win the 2013 World Series maintaining Buck's near-perfect record.
   7. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 10:28 AM (#4276508)
Haha, make fun of the typo...
   8. boteman digs the circuit clout Posted: October 19, 2012 at 12:38 PM (#4276622)
I predict: Baked Zito.
   9. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 19, 2012 at 02:30 PM (#4276693)
Checklist suggestions;

Mentions of 1934 [ ], 1968 [ ], 2006 [ ]

Mention of "PFP" [ ]
   10. franoscar Posted: October 19, 2012 at 02:31 PM (#4276694)
No offense Jose, but I think mentions of 1968 & 2006 are pretty much an absolute total given. Also mention that the Giants & Tigers have never met in the World Series.
   11. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 03:29 PM (#4276752)
CHECKLIST (taking suggestions):
Conradian Play []
Web Gem []
It rains. Again. [ ]
Rain delay. Again. [ ]
Rain delay delays game to next day. Again. [ ]
Stolen Base []
Caught Stealing [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pitcher gets a hit [ ]
Strikeout of side [ ] (a 1-2-3 inning strikeout of side [])
Play at the plate [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Blown call [ ] (Blown call costs game [ ])
THIS TRAIN! [X]
2+ pitching changes in single half-inning [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
Regular-season starter warms up in bullpen [ ]
Game goes into extras [ ]
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Bunt [ ]
Bases loaded, nobody scores [ ]
Balk [ ]
Buster Posey does something awesome [ ]
WILD BRIAN WILSON APPEARS [ ]
Pujols mentioned [ ]
Stan Musial mentioned [ ]
"X outs" away [ ]
Carlos Beltran is a October Hero [ ]
Carlos Beltran's backup is an October hero [ ]
FREESE! [ ]
ST.L called a "Great baseball town", "Best fans in baseball," or similar accolade [ ]
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]
McCarver's singing career [ ]
NFL reference (other than NFL on Fox promotion) []
Pence's big speeches [ ]
More than one person is Right Fielder for the Cardinals during the game [ ]
FOX announcers spend a not-insubstantial amount of time talking about A-Rod [ ]
2006 WS flashback [ ]
Game 6 2011 flashback [ ]
Deja, Deja, Deja Vu [X]
Pablo Sandoval referred to as "Panda" [ ]
FOX gets photobombed [ ]
Mention or reference to Jack Buck [ ]
McCarver was on the Cardinals [ ]
Willie Mays mentioned [ ]
1968 WS mentioned [ ]
Mention that the Giants and Tigers have never met in the World Series [ ]
Justin Verlander mentioned [ ]
Clydesdales [ ]
Dalmatians [ ]
SQUIRREL! [ ]
McCarver mentions words he doesn't like []
Ken Rosenthal's bow-tie charity mentioned [ ]
Barry Zito is Patrick Duffy's nephew [ ]
   12. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 04:33 PM (#4276820)
Cardinals second only to Yankees in WS titles [ ]]


What is funny is that this will more than likely be mentioned, but Giants having more national league titles than the Cardinals will probably not be mentioned.
   13. salvomania Posted: October 19, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4276825)
national league titles


aka "pennants"
   14. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 19, 2012 at 05:48 PM (#4276874)
ALCS MVP based on Series Probability Added: Anibal Sanchez. It's a virtual tie with Delmon, but SPA isn't position-adjusted and Delmon is a DH. Verlander is third, Fister is fourth. The Tigers had some success pitching; you may have heard about this.
   15. phredbird Posted: October 19, 2012 at 05:50 PM (#4276876)
Haha, make fun of the typo...


aw, c'mon, gamingboy, we're just having a little fun. thanks for all yer hard work!!!

*gives gamingboy a noogy*
   16. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 05:57 PM (#4276882)
ALCS MVP based on Series Probability Added: Anibal Sanchez. It's a virtual tie with Delmon, but SPA isn't position-adjusted and Delmon is a DH. Verlander is third, Fister is fourth. The Tigers had some success pitching; you may have heard about this.


Who would have been the Yankees MVP? Ibanez? Ichiro?
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 07:56 PM (#4276937)
Fox "celebrity" sighting...(some actor singing National Anthem) [ ]
   18. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4276939)
The clydesdales don't count. Need to be shown after first pitch.
   19. Portia Stanke Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4276940)
Mike Shannon, finalist for the Ford C. Frick Award. Satire is close to becoming obsolete.
   20. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4276942)
If Zito throws a no hitter or something, I am going on an epic bender. Just so you guys know.

On the bright side, there's only like a 50% chance of that happening.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4276943)
I like Shannon(most years, this year he has been insufferable) but he isn't a guy that should be winning awards other than popularity type of awards. Anything that signifies excellence shouldn't be attached to his name.
   22. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:06 PM (#4276944)
If Zito throws a no hitter or something, I am going on an epic bender. Just so you guys know.

On the bright side, there's only like a 50% chance of that happening.


Which one, the no-hitter, the "something" or the bender?
   23. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4276947)
PANDA DOWN! PANDA DOWN! Ouch, that has to sting.
   24. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:14 PM (#4276948)
Great first inning by Lynn. Of course, he was perfect through 3 in Gm 1.
   25. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4276949)
Which one, the no-hitter, the "something" or the bender?

The no hitter, of course. Zito throwing a CGSO is probably 85%.
   26. Portia Stanke Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:18 PM (#4276950)
As Steve McQueen might say, so far, so good.
   27. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4276951)
Well, Guts, still a chance of the CGSO.
   28. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4276952)
No hitter fear alleviated. Let's break up the shutout now.
   29. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4276954)
The Frick award is essentially a popularity award.
   30. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4276955)
Stolen base [X]

Who knew Beltran had it in him?
   31. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4276956)
The Frick award is essentially a popularity award.


I know now it is, but I thought it's original purpose was for excellence in broadcasting.
   32. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4276957)
Christ, Holliday, Zito is throwing BP fastballs and breaking balls that are 10 feet out of the zone.
   33. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4276959)
Wow. Fat Ichiro has shown some range in this series.
   34. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4276960)
Web Gem [X]
   35. Portia Stanke Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:26 PM (#4276961)
Mike Shannon is neither excellent nor popular.
   36. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4276965)
did buster close his eyes and swing??
   37. Portia Stanke Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4276966)
Looks like Good Lynn may have turned up at the ballpark tonight.
   38. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4276967)
Buster and Pence have killed us this series
   39. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4276968)
Looks like Good Lynn may have turned up at the ballpark tonight.


With a helping hand from a wide strike zone.
   40. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4276969)
Looks like Good Lynn may have turned up at the ballpark tonight.

I would have said that in Gm 1 too...

Though I agree he is looking great so far. Great fb, good control.
   41. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4276970)
lynn off to a good start courtesy of a strike zone that begins at the step of the dugout
   42. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4276971)
Strike out of side [X]
1-2-3 strike-out of side [X]

Impressive.
   43. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4276972)
Strike out the side and 123 strike out
   44. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4276973)
Lynn just K'd 4 in a row.
   45. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:35 PM (#4276974)
Looks like Good Lynn may have turned up at the ballpark tonight.


With a helping hand from a wide strike zone.


That zone better be for both sides, Zito's only chance is if Eric Gregg's strike zone makes an appearance
   46. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:36 PM (#4276976)
Yadi realizes that Zito's fastball should be crushed.
   47. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4276977)
Buster and Pence have killed us this series


He should change his name to Hunter Farthing.
   48. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4276978)
FREESE!
   49. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4276979)
FREESE! [X]
   50. VoodooR Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4276980)
FREESE!

EDIT: SOFT DRINKS!
   51. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:39 PM (#4276982)
EDIT: SOFT DRINKS!


So long as they are served.... COLD!
   52. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4276983)
Terrible. Ok, Kozmania is perfect in...they're walking him? Uh, ok.
   53. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:41 PM (#4276985)
Lynn is a terrible hitter, true, but so is Kozma! Just K, Lance.
   54. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4276986)
Don't like this. Go after Kozma.
   55. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4276987)
Could Zito ever become an effective knuckleballer? He seems to have all the tools for it,

A little crazy, check
Used to having starts which get away from you, check
No other options to extend your career, check

I have never noticed it mentioned where he has ever flirted with it
   56. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4276988)
Zito escapo.
   57. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4276989)
about the only thing I have liked from Fox's broadcast, is the arrows with the name over the runner's head...I'm sure traditionalist hate it, but I think it's cool.
   58. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4276990)
I said K, Lance. ####.

No more letting Zito off the hook here.
   59. Portia Stanke Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4276991)
I'm not sure the world is ready for another left-handed knuckleball pitcher just yet.

Dammit, Lynn.
   60. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4276992)
Could Zito ever become an effective knuckleballer? He seems to have all the tools for it,


He'd also need both desperation and time. I just can't seem him spending all of 2014 on some AAA team trying to master the pitch.
   61. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4276993)
Lynn's magic is over. Does not bode well. This is like a reverse shutdown inning - miss a huge scoring opportunity, and then start putting men on base.
   62. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4276994)
He was out. Replay confirms what the Cardinal colored glasses saw.
   63. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4276995)
I sure wouldn't mind him getting started a year early on his new quest. The idea of a 35 year old in the PCL trying to learn the knuckleball sounds very explosive
   64. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4276996)
Bunt, although I assume you meant non- pitcher
   65. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4276997)
Great, Pagan. This is an RBI.

At least so far this is going a lot better than 1996.
   66. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4276998)
I know now it is, but I thought it's original purpose was for excellence in broadcasting.


Oh, it was supposed to be, but like any award for which there are no reasonably objective criteria, it became a popularity contest. We complain about the MVP and CY Young voting, but even batting average and wins are objective in the sense that different players have different numbers and the voting is influenced by the numbers. If it wasn't, the MVP every year would be Derek Jeter. For broadcasting, there's no number except years of service, which does seem to be a significant factor in Frick voting, along with the intangible.

Personally, I like Shannon a great deal, but of course that's partly sentimental. Even besides that, though, he projects a persona that's pleasant to have around for three hours on a summer evening, is basically fair to the opposition despite being a lifetime employee of the team he covers, and doesn't insinuate that players during his career were better or more solid fundamentally than players now.* And he's funny as heck, at least to me.

* Edit: In fact, I've heard him express the opposite opinion, which is rare and refreshing.
   67. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:53 PM (#4276999)
Ok, maybe not. Still, that inning was not as pretty. Go back to striking out the side, Lance.
   68. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4277000)
Rally Zito?
   69. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:58 PM (#4277001)
If the knees is bothering him, just hit the ball over the fence, I'm sure that Beltran's knees can handle a trot.
   70. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4277002)
If the knees is bothering him, just hit the ball over the fence, I'm sure that Beltran's knees can handle a trot.

Concur.

Nope. This is not a great showing, offense. Why was Lynn even swinging?
   71. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4277003)
Zito got 8 outs in the NLDS iirc, the 9 th one never came for him
   72. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4277004)
What type of hitting instructor should a switch hitter have then?
   73. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4277005)
All Zito pitches should come with the warning "A DANGEROUS PITCH FROM ZITO!" yelled as they're delivered.
   74. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4277006)
Holliday has struck out twice. Against Barry Zito. #### me.
   75. staring out the window and waiting for fenderbelly Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4277007)
Even besides that, though, he projects a persona that's pleasant to have around for three hours on a summer evening, is basically fair to the opposition despite being a lifetime employee of the team he covers, and doesn't insinuate that players during his career were better or more solid fundamentally than players now. And he's funny as heck, at least to me.


I say give that man an award. Being pleasant, fair and funny on a daily basis... that is pretty rare. As Jim Wisinski would probably confirm, ultra-competence is hard to find.
   76. Arva Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4277008)
What type of hitting instructor should a switch hitter have then?

Jim Abbott
   77. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4277009)
Because I want more baseball and not such a big wait between the LCS and WS, I hope the Giants hang in there.
   78. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:05 PM (#4277010)
Personally, I like Shannon a great deal, but of course that's partly sentimental. Even besides that, though, he projects a persona that's pleasant to have around for three hours on a summer evening, is basically fair to the opposition despite being a lifetime employee of the team he covers, and doesn't insinuate that players during his career were better or more solid fundamentally than players now.* And he's funny as heck, at least to me.


Most years I like Shannon, but I try to make it a point to rejudge announcers etc on an annual basis, since I've seen Shannon be useless, great and so-so and poor in a span of about 8-12 years. Al Hrabosky has gone from poor to good to so so in that same time frame. (And as the Brenly thread has shown, same could be said about other announcers)

Shannon is very fun when he is having a good time, but this year it seems like he was disappointed in the Cardinals choice for manager and has basically ragged (post all star break) on anything that the team does that could be remotely considered management's fault. It makes me not even want to have the radio on.

   79. Graham Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4277011)
Is there really enough of a difference between left-handed and right-handed hitting to warrant two coaches?
   80. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4277013)
No hitter gone. Can't seem to get past three innings of no hit ball.
   81. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4277014)
WE GOT A HIT, WE GOT A HIT!!!
   82. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4277015)
Is there really enough of a difference between left-handed and right-handed hitting to warrant two coaches?


Can't say for sure, but there are 25+ players and at least a dozen position players, that it probably warrants two hitting coaches. Being opposite handed is just a bonus.
   83. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:08 PM (#4277016)
Yep, this game is trending downwards. Unbelievable. Barry ####### Zito.
   84. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:10 PM (#4277017)
those stupid giants. trying to win
   85. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4277019)
those stupid giants. trying to win

I know, right? How dare they!
   86. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4277020)
Current Comeback Player of the Year seems to have gone away this series
   87. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4277021)
those stupid giants. trying to win


Harvey has the right attitude.
   88. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4277022)
so tony snuck into the giants clubhouse and slipped buster a mickey?
   89. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4277023)
Conradian! He appears to have been aiming at the bag...
   90. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4277024)
Lynn doing his impression of a Detroit Tiger pitcher in 2006.
   91. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4277025)
What a ####### disaster.
   92. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4277026)
I don't think I've ever seen that before.
   93. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4277027)
Makes the proper play the first time and we are out of the inning (caveats apply of course)
   94. Gamingboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4277028)

Lynn doing his impression of a Detroit Tiger pitcher in 2006.


I laughed.
   95. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4277029)
Conradian[x]

EDIT - Coke to GB
   96. Harveys Wallbangers Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4277030)
when i think of 'disaster' i typically don't associate that with a single run scoring in a baseball game

but that's me
   97. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4277032)
Belt, they tell him to be more aggressive at the plate, his response is to just go up there and swing at the first pitch
   98. Dr. Vaux Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4277033)
Shannon is very fun when he is having a good time, but this year it seems like he was disappointed in the Cardinals choice for manager and has basically ragged (post all star break) on anything that the team does that could be remotely considered management's fault. It makes me not even want to have the radio on.


Interesting. I haven't heard him much this season. I wonder who he wanted to be the manager? Oquendo?

I hope Lynn's struggles after the third inning this post-season don't make them banish him to the bullpen forever.
   99. Guts Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4277034)
when i think of 'disaster' i typically don't associate that with a single run scoring in a baseball game

I am considering the imminent disaster of this Crawford GS.

Plus, Zito is throwing a CGSO, so that was the game right there.
   100. cardsfanboy Posted: October 19, 2012 at 09:17 PM (#4277035)
Quit harping on the play. You (McCarver) are wrong about nobody covering the bag, an on target throw and Kozma gets the ball, steps on second and maybe have a dp.... but the whole thought that Lynn was distracted because nobody was covering is silly.
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