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Saturday, October 13, 2012

LCS Round Day One: Tigers at Yankees

Sunday, October 13, 2012: Detroit Tigers (Fister) at New York Yankees (Pettitte)
Game 1 of Best of 7 series. 8:00 PM, TBS.

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   1. Swedish Chef Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:31 AM (#4267790)
The pros and cons of winning the WS for all four teams:

Detroit Tigers:
Pro:
- A World Series victory now would make the later days of the Fielder contract so much easier to endure for the fans.
- It would give Jim Leyland something nice for his 90th birthday.
Con:
- I don't know if I can stand all the handwringing over an 88-win team winning it all.

New York Yankees:
Pro:
- They have this incredible multi-year title drought going and the Yankees fans are hurting. How long can they live on memories from distant 2009?
- When Jeter has collected seven rings, prophesies say evil will be driven from the land and a new age of peace and prosperity will dawn.
Con:
- Fifteen years of HoF-campaigning in the media for Raul Ibanez, clutch God.

San Fransisco Giants:
Pro:
- Another World Series win would make Brian Sabean the most effective troll of BBTF of all time, not bad for a guy without an account.
- October is the only nice month for watching baseball in San Fransisco.
Con:
- The five month controversy over the right/wrong in giving/denying Melky a ring.

Saint Louis Cardinals:
Pro:
- It shows just how irreplaceable La Russa was.
- It shows just how irreplaceable Pujols was.
Con:
- If the Cardinals can discard everything from superstar to manager to GM and still win, what the hell can stop them, a zombie outbreak?
   2. Lassus Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:47 AM (#4267793)
I wonder who's calling the game. I hope Darling, although he can be a little kiss-assy to the Yankees.
   3. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:03 AM (#4267798)
The Tigers are the only team left in the playoffs that's not utterly despicable. (OK, the Giants aren't really despicable, just boring. And they just won it two years ago!)

The endless, late night, error-filled, rain-soaked Yankees-Cardinals World Series is coming soon to FOX! Watch the incredibly lucky team with 23 pennants meet the steroids-filled gazillionaires with 41 pennants! With idiotic commentary, shots of Zooey Deschanel in the stands and Spiderman on the bases! You idiots! Why have you let baseball come to this? Why? Why? You deserve what you get, you stupid f@ckers!

We now continue with your local programming.
   4. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:12 AM (#4267799)
I'll never understand this hatred for America's Team, but then I think of those crazed overseas mobs who burn our flag. I guess it just goes with the territory when you stand up for what's right and good.

If it's any consolation to the mob, the lack of an off day means that tomorrow's Yankee starter is likely to be David Phelps. It would normally be Kuroda's spot, but he pitched on Wednesday and never goes on short rest. And since the Tigers-A's series began a day earlier than the Yanks-O's series, the Tigers don't face that dilemma.
   5. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:01 AM (#4267808)
The Tigers are the only team left in the playoffs that's not utterly despicable. (OK, the Giants aren't really despicable, just boring. And they just won it two years ago!)
RMc must be in great shape, he gets quite a work out madly hopping and off the Tigers' bandwagon.
   6. BDC Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:08 AM (#4267810)
My sympathies, mild as they are, are definitely with the Yankees. After the past two years I couldn't really root for St Louis or SF in a Series, and I almost always root for the AL team anyway. The Tigers would be fine, but the Yankees are pretty colorful this year, they're like Space Cowboys or something.
   7. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:11 AM (#4267813)
I'm sorry if everyone else is already over this, but I had to experience it on a plane with no way to vent and I just want to reiterate...God, I ####### hate the Cardinals. Their luck/residue of design is absolutely ####### ridiculous and I really hope the Giants make quick work of them.

As for the Yankees game, I'm glad CC was able to bring us home, but I would have gone to Soriano or Robertson when Hardy came up in the 8th. I also would have PH A-Rod for Ibanez when the lefty came in. Not sure what the consensus was here. Has Joe announced the ALCS rotation?
   8. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:18 AM (#4267815)
My additions:

Detroit:
Pro:
- Cabrera wins a title in the year he wins the Triple Crown, avoiding the press from having to generate those meaningless stories about how individual achievements don't help a team
Con:
- breathless prose about how the win my start "healing" Detroit

New York:
Pro:
- Ichiro lockerroom celebration video
Con:
- "Money buys championships"

San Francisco:
Pro:
- more pg13 commentary from Lincecum
Con:
- silly articles about how they won their title on the back of a cheater

St. Louis:
Pro:
- sticking it in Pujols' face
Con:
- handwringing by BBTF faithful about "worst team wins again"
   9. SoSH U at work Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:20 AM (#4267817)
I'm sorry if everyone else is already over this, but I had to experience it on a plane with no way to vent and I just want to reiterate...God, I ####### hate the Cardinals. Their luck/residue of design is absolutely ####### ridiculous and I really hope the Giants make quick work of them.


And now you understand how the other half lives.
   10. bayside627 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:22 AM (#4267818)
Eric Chavez 0-8 with 4 SO he did a great job of replacing Arod against Baltimore. It's about the money and Alex makes the most. The Yankees need him to win this thing.
   11. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:23 AM (#4267819)
Wait ... all four teams that haven't won their league recently have been eliminated. I didn't expect that to happen. What a letdown.

Go Tigers!

   12. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:37 AM (#4267827)
breathless prose about how the win my start "healing" Detroit

Detroit is beyond healing. It needs Someone to roll aside the stone and cry 'Lazarus: come out!'
   13. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4267828)
And now you understand how the other half lives.

I've seen this point elsewhere and I disagree. Generally, the Yankees throw money and/or big names at their problem. The Cardinals hand out jobs to Pete Kozma who's barely cracking a .600 OPS in the minors and he turns into prime Nomar. By the way, can we never put a mic in front of Kozma again? One of the worst interviews I've ever been subjected to.
   14. NJ in DC (Now with temporary employment!) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:42 AM (#4267829)
Wait ... all four teams that haven't won their league recently have been eliminated. I didn't expect that to happen. What a letdown.

Last two NL Champs and AL runner ups.
   15. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:49 AM (#4267832)
Ugh this sucks. Well, I will root for the Tigers. Failing that, I will root for the Giants so I can hear more Jon Miller. Failing that, I will root for the Cardinals because they really are an amazing squad when they get rolling. Failing that, I will root for Ichiro! to win ws series MVP.
   16. SoSH U at work Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:52 AM (#4267835)
I've seen this point elsewhere and I disagree. Generally, the Yankees throw money and/or big names at their problem. The Cardinals hand out jobs to Pete Kozma who's barely cracking a .600 OPS in the minors and he turns into prime Nomar. By the way, can we never put a mic in front of Kozma again? One of the worst interviews I've ever been subjected to.


Your season was rescued when your skipper removed your third baseman, an all-time great, from the game and replaced him with a 40-year-old turtle. You've enjoyed your share of WTF pixie dust through the years (Aaron Small anyone).

Second, you're a Yankee fan. Everyone hates your team on principle (and yes, the same goes for mine).
   17. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:59 AM (#4267838)
By the way, can we never put a mic in front of Kozma again? One of the worst interviews I've ever been subjected to.

It was as if Kozma was thinking about an off-camera gun pointed at his head, just waiting to have the trigger pulled at the first spontaneous word. I've heard four year olds---and even Mark Teixeira---far more articulate than he was last night.
   18. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:01 AM (#4267841)
I'll never understand this hatred for America's Team, but then I think of those crazed overseas mobs who burn our flag. I guess it just goes with the territory when you stand up for what's right and good.


Indeed. To quote another great American who stood up for American patriotism against a traitorous Islamofascist sympathizer:

I am a real American
Fight for the rights of every man
I am a real American
Fight for what's right
Fight for your life
   19. Misirlou's been working for the drug squad Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:05 AM (#4267844)
Wait ... all four teams that haven't won their league recently have been eliminated. I didn't expect that to happen. What a letdown.

Last two NL Champs and AL runner ups.


Not as bad as the late 70's/early 80's:

1976; NYY, KCR, CIN, PHL
1977: NYY, KCR, LAD, PHL
1978: NYY, KCR, LAD, PHL,
1979 (REPRIVE!): BAL, CAL, PIT, CIN
1980: NYY, KCR, HOU, PHL
1981: NYY, OAK, LAD, MON
   20. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:06 AM (#4267846)
- "Money buys championships


Well then all those teams sucking on that bottomless free money teat should be sitting pretty. Of course money can be used to buy other things, like yachts and private jets and overseas vacation homes, so there's probably some priorities that fit into the equation somewhere.
   21. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:21 AM (#4267859)
The Tigers are the only team left in the playoffs that's not utterly despicable. (OK, the Giants aren't really despicable, just boring. And they just won it two years ago!)

RMc must be in great shape, he gets quite a work out madly hopping (on) and off the Tigers' bandwagon.


Who's hopping? I didn't think the Tigers would win the pennant before, and I still don't. I'm just pointing out the simple fact that the Tigers are easily the most likable team left in the playoffs -- which frankly ain't sayin' much.
   22. Fat Al Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:25 AM (#4267862)
This schedule is just ridiculous. The Yankees play 5 straight playoff games at home on 5 consecutive nights?
   23. Jose Can Still Seabiscuit Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:26 AM (#4267863)
I'm obviously a bit different but other than the Yankees I like the other three teams in the playoffs a fair amount. And frankly the Yankees have a lot of individuals I could easily root for if they had a different logo on their hat.
   24. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:50 AM (#4267885)
My rooting list is basically:
Tigers (Haven't won in 1984, only team left that isn't a recent winner)
Giants (are not the Cardinals or Yankees, and SF is underrated as a baseball town)
(gap)
Cardinals (aren't the Yankees, and their strange ability to win despite all odds is both infuriating and charming)
(gigantic gap)
Yankees (are the Yankees. Only positive would be that Ichiro would get a ring.)
   25. dr. scott Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:51 AM (#4267887)
How did the giants go from being quirky non-traditionalists to boring so fast? Is it just in comparison to the As? Admiditly I would agree there. Of the two teams, the As are much more out there in defying tradition. The Giants are still pretty weird though. just look at Hunter Pence. Granted his inability to hit does make him a bit boring, but his twitchy spastic batting stance almost makes up for that.
   26. cercopithecus aethiops Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:54 AM (#4267892)
If the Cardinals can discard everything from superstar to manager to GM and still win, what the hell can stop them, a zombie outbreak?


Are zombies banned from MLB? 'Cuz other wise the Cardinals would just come up with a bunch of zombie hitters coming through in the clutch and zombie relief pitchers throwing 97 on the black.

...frankly the Yankees have a lot of individuals I could easily root for if they had a different logo on their hat.


I think there's a rule that the logo on the hat has to match the rest of the uniform. You're not even allowed to support the heroes of the NYPD and FDNY. Pink hats with breast cancer awareness logos might be OK, though. I haven't checked.
   27. BDC Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:01 AM (#4267900)
The Giants are puzzling. If they win the pennant this year, they may be the most-turned-around team to win pennants two years apart; certainly in my feeble memory, anyway. In 2010 they brought Posey up late; in 2012, Sandoval was hurt some midseason – and those are the only two regular position players who were on both teams, so the number of lineups that included even both of them in both years isn't huge. I don't know if they're boring so much as anonymous, unless you watch them carefully and continuously. Which I certainly don't.
   28. Ivan Grushenko of Hong Kong Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:04 AM (#4267905)
Now that the A's are out, my rooting interests are:

1) Cardinals -- they're my hometown team and they're really good -- a lot better than 88 wins.
2) Tigers -- Justin Verlander should have a dominant post-season like Randy Johnson and Tom Seaver and Steve Carlton
3) Yankees -- My brother has season tickets and it would be fun for him
4) Giants -- San Jose is an infinitely more important city than San Francisco, and if they want it so bad they should move there
   29. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM (#4267913)
CHECKLIST (taking suggestions):

Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Strike Out of Side [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Caught stealing []
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Bunt []
Verlander in dugout [ ]
Sabathia in dugout [ ]
Trout mentioned (fish or ballplayer) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
A-Rod strikes out (assuming he even plays) [ ]
Raul Ibanez is a effing clutch god [ ]
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
Shutdown inning [ ]
Game goes past midnight [ ]
Girardi's playing career [ ]
Prince Fielder goes deep [ ]

   30. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:20 AM (#4267921)
You've enjoyed your share of WTF pixie dust through the years (Aaron Small anyone).

That, and the fact that no matter how old Yankees players get they still perform. You should not be able to coax a 40-year-old out of retirement and then have him put up a 2.87 ERA. You should not be able to sign a 40-year-old who just put up a 91 OPS+ in the NL and have him improve and hit 2 key HRs in the playoffs. You should not be able to trade for a 38-year-old who had an 86 OPS+ last year and an 84 OPS+ this year and have him improve. And that's just THIS SEASON, but it's standard for the Yankees. I'm pretty sure if they signed Jamie Moyer he'd at the very least have a sub-4.00 ERA for them. Also, where's Julio Franco?
   31. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:24 AM (#4267929)
In 2010 they brought Posey up late; in 2012, Sandoval was hurt some midseason – and those are the only two regular position players who were on both teams]


In the 2010 playoff run, Panda was reduced to a PH bat off the bench, due to ineffectiveness earlier in the year (the hacktastivc Juan Uribe was starting at 3b). So it is really only Posey who remains. Of course, the strength of the team is the pitching, and that remains largely unchanged (except Voglesong has replaced Sanchez in the rotation and the injured Wilson, but those on here are well aware of the overrating of the closer role). The non-closer bullpen arms are largely the same, with an ineffective in 2010 Romo stepping in to the closer role.
   32. Swedish Chef Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:30 AM (#4267934)
Talk of Mark Teixeira going to HoF [ ]
Talk of Miguel Cabrera being the 2012 MVP [ ]
   33. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:34 AM (#4267938)
That, and the fact that no matter how old Yankees players get they still perform. You should not be able to coax a 40-year-old out of retirement and then have him put up a 2.87 ERA. You should not be able to sign a 40-year-old who just put up a 91 OPS+ in the NL and have him improve and hit 2 key HRs in the playoffs. You should not be able to trade for a 38-year-old who had an 86 OPS+ last year and an 84 OPS+ this year and have him improve. And that's just THIS SEASON, but it's standard for the Yankees.

I could also sit here and compile a list of Andruw Joneses that have come and gone without fanfare over the past 15 years, but I doubt if that would alter your perception. But I admit it's easy to remember the successes and overlook the failures, which is why Jim Leyritz and Aaron Boone will always remain the Truest of True Yankees.
   34. Esoteric Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:50 AM (#4267955)
Hey, let's go Yankees! Today, out of any other options, I submit to my dad's Yankee fandom and will root for the Raul Ibanez All-Stars.
   35. Crispix reaches boiling point with lackluster play Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:56 AM (#4267959)
The Giants dynasty, with core star players Matt Cain, Aubrey Huff, Pablo Sandoval, and ??, is truly a sight to behold.
   36. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:58 AM (#4267962)
The Giants dynasty, with core star players Matt Cain, Aubrey Huff, Pablo Sandoval, and ??, is truly a sight to behold.


Posey.
   37. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 13, 2012 at 12:10 PM (#4267973)
Aubrey Huff


Hold on.

He's still playing?
I know I don't watch the NL much, but I thought that was a joke.
   38. Walks Clog Up the Bases Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:02 PM (#4268003)
This is pretty much my doomsday scenario. I can't think of a less appealing CS lineup; maybe slot in the Reds instead of the Giants.

I guess my rooting interests are:

1) Giants - Bland, but inoffensive team. I like Posey.
2) Nuclear Holocaust
3) Cardinals - I'm a Cubs fan, but the Cardinals franchise has just worn me down with its improbable runs over the last decade. I feel like I'm in an abusive relationship and I just don't have the energy to fight back anymore. I certainly don't like them, but ####, I'm getting enough practice in coping with championship Cardinal teams.
4) Tigers/Yankees - Lifelong Michigan resident, but I just can't get myself to root for the Tigers. I know I should like them or, at the very least, not find them winning so objectionable. But I do. As someone in the Game 5 A's/Tigers chatter noted, I like their ballpark, most of their fans, and kind of want to root for them in the playoffs. But I just can't.
   39. PreservedFish Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:10 PM (#4268008)
Hey, let's go Yankees! Today, out of any other options, I submit to my dad's Yankee fandom and will root for the Raul Ibanez All-Stars.


I've never met anyone whose second team is the Yankees. You are bizarre.
   40. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:35 PM (#4268020)
Yankees Roster for the ALCS:


PITCHERS
CC Sabathia
Andy Pettitte
Hiroki Kuroda
Phil Hughes
Rafael Soriano
Dave Robertson
Boone Logan
Joba Chamberlain
Clay Rapada
Cody Eppley
David Phelps
Derek Lowe

CATCHERS
Russell Martin
Chris Stewart

INFIELDERS
Mark Teixeira
Robinson Cano
Derek Jeter
Alex Rodriguez
Eric Chavez
Jayson Nix

OUTFIELDERS
Curtis Granderson
Nick Swisher
Ichiro Suzuki
Raul Ibanez
Brett Gardner
   41. Bourbon Samurai in Asia Posted: October 13, 2012 at 01:36 PM (#4268021)
My dad is also a yankee fan, but he grew up in New York in the 50's and has an excuse. I can manage to feel some iota of happiness for him when the Yankees win, but it is difficult.
   42. john_halfz Posted: October 13, 2012 at 02:07 PM (#4268038)
[7] As a Yankee fan by upbringing, I cannot fathom hating the Cardinals. Is the carbon copy too uncomfortable?

[41] My grandfather grew up near New York in the 1930s and because of NYY's success, chose to root for Detroit. My father grew up near New York in the 1950s and 1960s and because of NYY's success, chose to root for St. Louis. I have no idea why my dad got me into the Yankees, but just to say there were other options for your dad.
   43. VoodooR Posted: October 13, 2012 at 02:22 PM (#4268049)
Down to final strike / Wins series:

1986 Red Sox (vs. Angels ALCS)
1986 Mets (vs. Red Sox WS)
2011 Cardinals (vs. Rangers WS)
2012 Cardinals (vs. Nationals NLDS)

That's it, isn't it? I don't believe the 1912 Red Sox were down to their last strike, the 1992 Braves were not, I can't think of any other instances of this happening.
   44. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 13, 2012 at 02:38 PM (#4268067)
I don't believe the 1912 Red Sox were down to their last strike


No, they weren't. They won 3-2 in ten innings; they were tied in the ninth, and were down by one in the tenth when they scored the winning run on a sac fly. The Sox had one out when Gardner hit the ball.
   45. Esoteric Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:33 PM (#4268090)
I've never met anyone whose second team is the Yankees. You are bizarre.
Oh, they're not. In fact, I cordially loathe them. But my father is a lifelong Yanks fan (native New Yorker, grew up during the great Mantle/Berra teams of the '50s, natch) and that's what I meant when I wrote that "I submit to my dad's Yankee fandom." Tomorrow? I shall root for America's Team, aka the San Francisco Giants aka Anyone Who Plays The Cardinals.

My second team (really my first team, before the Nats came to DC) is and was the Seattle Mariners, of course. And since the Yanks have Ichiro and Raul on their team -- two guys beloved by all M's fans -- that's another reason to pull for them right now as far as I'm concerned.
   46. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:37 PM (#4268093)
I've never met anyone whose second team is the Yankees. You are bizarre.

I know plenty of Yankee fans in the DC area who switched their primary rooting interest to the Nats once they arrived from Montreal, but were still rooting for a Nats-Yanks Series. Other DC area fans who had transferred their allegiance to the Orioles before the Nats showed up were rooting for the Nats and the O's to meet in the Series. The idea that in order to root for one team you have to hate another is what's bizarre, and it makes even less sense if the hate object isn't even in the same league as the team you root for.

Unless, of course, the hate object is the Braves. But that's different, and even there it's not so much the players or the franchise as it is their inbred zombie fan base.

   47. Booey Posted: October 13, 2012 at 03:45 PM (#4268094)
Wait ... all four teams that haven't won their league recently have been eliminated. I didn't expect that to happen. What a letdown.

Go Tigers!


That's pretty much my thought as well. I was excited that we got some new blood in the playoffs this year, but every one of them was eliminated in the LDS. Now we're left with the Tigers - who got to the LCS last year - and the last 3 World Series champs. Yay. So with that in mind, I'm rooting for:

1)Tigers - haven't won a title in 28 years, and they have some cool players like Miggy and Verlander and Fielder that I'd like to see get one (yeah, I know that Miggy got one as a rookie in 2003, but he wasn't a full time player yet). Pretty much all the great players on the other teams already have rings.

2)Giants - I don't like seemingly random champions, and winning another would make their 2010 title less flukey looking. Plus Posey is really cool.

3)Yankees - Ichiro getting a ring would be kinda cool. They've got several other interesting players too, even if they've all already been here before.

4)Cardinals - I actually liked the previous 3 St Louis WS teams, but back then they had my favorite player in Pujols, a HOF manager in TLR, plus other greats like Rolen, Edmonds, and Berkman. Now they've lost pretty much everything I found interesting about them. I really wish the Nats hadn't imploded.
   48. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:00 PM (#4268105)
Yogi sighting or mention [ ]
Mystique & Aura appear [ ]
Derek Jeter's 200th career playoff hit [ ]
A-Rod redemption [ ]
   49. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:02 PM (#4268109)
My second team (really my first team, before the Nats came to DC) is and was the Seattle Mariners, of course. And since the Yanks have Ichiro and Raul on their team -- two guys beloved by all M's fans -- that's another reason to pull for them right now as far as I'm concerned.


My second team is also the Mariners, and now that the Reds aren't playing any more, I'd love to see Ichiro get a ring. I've never rooted for the Yankees before, so this is going to feel weird. But Ichiro is still my favorite player...
   50. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:09 PM (#4268113)
According to LoHud ... Kuroda on short rest for Game 2.
   51. eddieot Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:15 PM (#4268114)
I've never met anyone whose second team is the Yankees. You are bizarre.

Lifelong Phils fan whose AL team is the Yanks. I grew up in he Lehigh Valley with WPIX 11 on the local cable system and so I watched a lot of the mid-to-late 70s Yanks as a young baseball fan. Plus my dad grew up a Mickey Mantle worshiper. And then I married a Yankees fan... it works. I was heartbroken in 2009 when the Phils lost to the Yanks but the Series was very fun to watch in our household.

I find it very easy to root for Ibanez and Ichiro. Go Yanks!
   52. Swedish Chef Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:40 PM (#4268131)
A-Rod batting 6th.
   53. Esoteric Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:41 PM (#4268132)
My second team is also the Mariners, and now that the Reds aren't playing any more, I'd love to see Ichiro get a ring. I've never rooted for the Yankees before, so this is going to feel weird. But Ichiro is still my favorite player...
Exactly. All I really have left at this point is rooting for Ichiro to finally get the ring he deserves.

Preferably over the prostrate, broken bodies of the St. Louis Cardinals.
   54. Lassus Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:47 PM (#4268140)
I really have no idea who to root for, because every team I wanted to win has lost so far. Every one. I'm rooting for three seven-game series at this point.

It can't be the AL, but really I don't have much of a preference for the NL team. Probably San Francisco, as I lived there and miss it terribly. I'd love to see them beat the Yankees in the series.
   55. SoSH U at work Posted: October 13, 2012 at 04:55 PM (#4268149)
Tigers, easiliy. Then the Giants. Then the Cards.

It has been proven that rooting for the Yankees, when they're not your favorite team, causes cancer. Not necessarily for the person doing the rooting, but someone on the planet will get cancer, and that will be the reason. I hope you folks can live with yourself.

   56. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:08 PM (#4268166)
Girardi News Conference (now on MLB Network): Hughes starts Game 3; Sabathia in Game 4 on regular rest.
   57. BDC Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:16 PM (#4268173)
Sorting them in my mind: I'll root for the Yankees, then the Tigers if needed. I suppose I hope the Giants win the NL, but my excitement about the NLCS this year is well under wraps. Either Cincinnati or Washington would have been fun to watch and root for.

EDIT: Just noted that I am giving someone cancer. But that can be cured with Green Coffee Beans!!
   58. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:17 PM (#4268174)
1: Yankees
2: Giants
3: Tigers
4: Cardinals

   59. SoSH U at work Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:19 PM (#4268178)
Just noted that I am giving someone cancer


Just don't say I didn't warn you, Bob.
   60. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:21 PM (#4268180)
#54 - Same here. I wanted the Rangers and Braves to win the play-in games. Then I wanted the A's, O's, Reds, and Nationals to win the Division Series. Plus, since I started following baseball in 2005, out of the two league champions, I wanted the following teams to win the World Series:

The Astros over the White Sox
The Tigers over the Cardinals
The Rockies over the Red Sox
The Rays over the Phillies
The Phillies over the Yankees
The Rangers over the Giants
The Rangers over the Cardinals

I know that the majority of these teams have been the underdogs, but at this point, I feel like I'm ####### due for ONE of the teams I like to win the Series. This year's Tigers are my last hope in that regard, although I suppose I could half-heartedly get behind the Giants as well.

As much as I agree with the hatred of the Yankees for having far too many structural advantages, I think this year's team is one of their more likable squads in a while. It's very easy to root for Ichiro, Ibañez, and Granderson, and at this point I honestly feel some sympathy for Rodriguez. The only major contributors I still dislike on their own merits are Soriano, Swisher, Jeter, and maybe Teixeira. So it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if they won the Series this year, although I still think I would rank the extremely annoying Cardinals above them.
   61. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:39 PM (#4268192)
Cradle Tigers fan here since the Kaline/Colavito/Cash days. You know who I am rooting for. I hate the Yankees less as the years go by; I think Jeter and Rivera, ultimate pros, have had something to do with that. Also that the Tigers sucked for a very long time and it was hard to hate anyone. I think it will be a good series. Both teams have serious flaws, both have some really, really good players.

As to NL I would love to see the Tigers get another chance at the Cards after the total mulligan of the 2006 series. But in all the years the Tigers have never played the Giants in the Series and it would be kind of cool to put out both the Bay Area teams as well. (Lived in So Cal 25 years; the Dodgers are my 2nd team)

Kuroda on short rest seems wise although Phelps is just the kind of guy who could shut the Tigers out for 7 innings. Hopefully we get to Pettitte early and often.
   62. RMc's desperate, often sordid world Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:42 PM (#4268198)
My grandfather grew up near New York in the 1930s and because of NYY's success, chose to root for Detroit.

My Dad was born in Toronto in 1928, married my mother in 1954 and moved to the Detroit area, thus becoming a Tigers fan. Growing up, however, he rooted for the Yankees -- a fact he shared with me only recently. It was vaguely distressing, as if he had said, "Son, when I was a kid I knocked over a liquor store. Never got caught, though."

It has been proven that rooting for the Yankees, when they're not your favorite team, causes cancer. Not necessarily for the person doing the rooting, but someone on the planet will get cancer, and that will be the reason.

(1) Millions of people root for the Yankees.
(2) Millions of people die from cancer.

Coincidence? I think not.
   63. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 05:43 PM (#4268199)
Playoff excitement update: Yankees-Orioles finishes as the third-best LDS of all time, trailing only Mariners-Yanks in '95 and Red Sox-A's in '03. Tigers-A's is #20, Cards-Nats #27, and Giants-Reds #37. Since there have now been 76 LDSs played, all four of this year's entries are above the median.

The distance from the absurd '95 series and Yanks-O's this year is about the same as the distance from Yanks-O's to this matchup, which is above the median but not by a lot.
   64. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:06 PM (#4268217)
Kuroda on short rest seems wise

Yeah, great. It'll be literally the first time he's ever done it in his entire career, and he pitches better on long rest than regular rest. All I can say is that the Yankees sure as hell had better win tonight.
   65. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:11 PM (#4268222)
1: Yankees
2: Giants
3: Tigers
4: Cardinals


1. Yanks (duh)
2. Tigers (AL solidarity)
3, 4. No preference. Don't particularly like or dislike either of them, though I was rooting for the Nats, A's and Reds. I'm just glad the Rangers and the Braves are long gone.
   66. Jorge Luis Bourjos (Walewander) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:26 PM (#4268237)

Tigers fan since age 4. This should be a good series. As others have mentioned, both teams have glaring flaws papered over by some of the greatest players in the game. Two great baseball towns and teams facing off, it should be a lot of fun.

This season has been a very special one for me as a Tigers fan. I lived in Detroit for three months this summer and went to lots of games in person, a wonderful experience. Yesterday I bought a ticket for Game 4 of the ALCS, which is tremendously exciting. I don't hate the Yankees nearly as much as I probably should. My dad was born in the Bronx. He and my uncle played stickball with Vic Raschi and Allie Reynolds as little kids. My best friend is a huge Yankees fan. Curtis Granderson was my favourite player since Trammell, and as someone who used to go to several Mariners games a year I love Ichiro. Still, #### the Yankees, #### Billy Crystal and Donald Trump, A-Rod and Teixera, Rudy Giuliani and the Steinbrenner kids. It's Detroit's time.

LET'S GO TIGERS

BLESS YOU BOYS!~

   67. Commissioner Bud Black Beltre Hillman Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:30 PM (#4268239)
Anyone bonding with their dad is cool; the rest of you trying to justify why it would be OK for the Yankees to win or even rooting for them this October need to look in the ####### mirror. That crap all over your face? Ichiro stopped by on his way out of Seattle, rubbed your mug in pinstriped dogshit and told you it was honey. As soon as he's leaves he's Ichiro! again, but right now he's a Yankee now and they're the ####### Yankees, and the collective understanding amongst all non-NYY fans that the ####### Yankees can #### off is one of the bonds that makes sports (and this great nation) so special.

Edit:
1. Detroit
2. SF
3. Cards
4. Yankees

(was A's, Nats, Reds, O's)
   68. VoodooR Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:32 PM (#4268240)
#63 Love the updates, Eric J! So who is leading the WPA race so far in the post-season? I particularly like the Series Added WPA that weights games based on their importance.
   69. Swedish Chef Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:39 PM (#4268246)
"We need this guy to be Alex. That's the bottom line. If we want to make some noise, we need this guy to be Alex." - Girardi on A-Rod
   70. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:41 PM (#4268247)
So, this has probably been done before, but the discussion of past good/bad breaks for previous Cardinal teams in yesterday's chatter got me thinking - is there a way to estimate how lucky (or otherwise) a team has been in the postseason over the course of its existence?

Well, of course there is. Treat each series as a coin flip, work out how many titles you'd expect each team to win, and compare their actual total.

The #1 team on the list will surprise precisely nobody: the Yankees, +9.375. As it happens, their score is exactly three times that of the next team on the list, which will surprise very few people - the Cards, +3.125. Whether or not this means that Cardinal fans should shut up about all the rough luck they've had is not something I'm going to try to make an ironclad pronouncement about...

The last-place team will also surprise absolutely nobody. But can anyone guess the rest of the bottom 5, or the rest of the top 5? And as a bonus question, before this year's playoffs started, only one team had won exactly as many titles as would be expected; can you pick them out as well?
   71. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:51 PM (#4268257)
#63 Love the updates, Eric J! So who is leading the WPA race so far in the post-season? I particularly like the Series Added WPA that weights games based on their importance.

Top scores from the first round:
Sabathia +.639
Verlander +.492
Ibanez +.469
Descalso +.455
O'Day +.451

Bottom scores:
Adam Jones -.291
Hardy -.302 (yes, even with the game-winning double)
Swisher -.339
Valverde -.428
Storen -.709 (I'd have to check, which would take a little while, but this may be the worst single-series score in the database. None of the obvious ones I glanced at were worse, anyway.)

A-Rod would probably feel mildly vindicated about his absence from the bottom 5 except for the fact that he's sixth-to-last (well, tied with Wainwright there, if you ignore Wainwright's hitting, which I tend to do for pitchers).

In other news, if my quick mental math on this year's numbers is correct, David Freese has passed Mickey Mantle for the all-time lead in Championship Probability Added by a hitter.
   72. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:52 PM (#4268258)
Yankees
Giants
Athletics
Nationals
Orioles
Tigers
Reds
Cardinals

I guess I'm looking at a post-season that I'll either be really happy or really disappointed with ...
   73. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 06:54 PM (#4268259)
Just checked (it didn't take as long as I thought it would), and Storen does indeed have the worst score. Mitch Williams would finally be off the hook except for the fact that Storen wasn't pitching in the World Series.
   74. VoodooR Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:13 PM (#4268274)
David Freese has passed Mickey Mantle for the all-time lead in Championship Probability Added by a hitter.


I'm a Cubs fan, yet I think this is all kinds of awesome. David Freese is a bad, bad ############.
   75. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:16 PM (#4268278)
I'm a Cubs fan, yet I think this is all kinds of awesome. David Freese is a bad, bad ############.

It's a very small margin - .004, if I'm not mistaken, which could of course easily disappear with even a mediocre NLCS. But yeah. Freese's '11 is the best single postseason any hitter has ever had.
   76. esseff Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:22 PM (#4268282)
As a Cardinals fan living in San Francisco, I'm going to enjoy the coming week.
   77. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:27 PM (#4268286)
Detroit
A. Jackson cf
O. Infante 2b
M. Cabrera 3b
P. Fielder 1b
D. Young dh
J. Peralta ss
A. Dirks lf
A. Garcia rf
G. Laird c

D. Fister P

New York
D. Jeter ss
I. Suzuki lf
R. Cano 2b
M. Teixeira 1b
R. Ibanez dh
A. Rodriguez 3b
N. Swisher rf
C. Granderson cf
R. Martin c

A. Pettitte P

No surprises except ARod hitting 6th. God it sucks to be up against a team that has one of your favorite players, who hit 43 HRs, batting eighth.
   78. VoodooR Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:29 PM (#4268289)
Tell me more about Championship Probability Added. Is that WPA weighted by how important each game is towards winning the World Series? Was this the metric that determined that the biggest one event in MLB history was Tony Womack's double in 2001? I just love these statistics, because I've always been a "moments guy" and these stats either 1) seem to confirm what I already suspect and/or 2) highlight some specific events that were more meaningful than I originally thought.

I've got to think the biggest Championship Added moments are: Womack, Freese, Hal Smith, Bobby Thomson, Frank Cabrera. I've seen the WPA leaders for the playoffs, but some of those just weren't in as big a situation series-wise as others, like Gibson in 1988. A game one home run, however dramatic, just can't be as "meaningful" as something that happens in Game 6 or 7.
   79. Blastin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:36 PM (#4268292)
At the stadium. It is cold as a muhfucka. We shall see if that affects the outcome.
   80. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:39 PM (#4268294)
Tell me more about Championship Probability Added. Is that WPA weighted by how important each game is towards winning the World Series?

Yes.

Was this the metric that determined that the biggest one event in MLB history was Tony Womack's double in 2001?

Hal Smith beats him in my implementation (well, in B-R's WPA implementation, which I'm using), .64 to .50.

For the most part, I can't easily pick out individual moments, because the spreadsheet I have only has the game totals. The ones you listed would all be quite highly ranked, of course. Joe Carter is also up there, as is the pebble grounder off the bat of Bucky Harris in 1924.
   81. Jolly Old St. Nick Is A Jolly Old St. Crip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:47 PM (#4268295)
Don't forget the day in 1934 when that New York based contractor screwed Tom Yawkey by cutting two feet off the top of The Monster, making it 37' instead of the agreed-upon 39'. No question that the Red Sox would've beaten the Royals and the Dodgers without the Divine Intervention of Mr. Dent, and it was that crooked New York contractor who made it all possible.
   82. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:52 PM (#4268302)
BTW, for this series the Baby Walrus will be joined by the Baby Tiger.

Our final checklist before gametime:
CHECKLIST (taking suggestions):

Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Strike Out of Side [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Caught stealing []
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ ]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Bunt []
Verlander in dugout [ ]
Sabathia in dugout [ ]
Trout mentioned (fish or ballplayer) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
A-Rod strikes out (assuming he even plays) [ ]
Raul Ibanez is a effing clutch god [ ]
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
Shutdown inning [ ]
Game goes past midnight [ ]
Girardi's playing career [ ]
Prince Fielder goes deep [ ]
Is Cabrera going to be MVP? [ ]
Yogi sighting []
Mention of Jeter getting/closing in on his 200th postseason hit []
Ty Cobb mentioned [ ]
Babe Ruth mentioned [ ]
Mariano Rivera mentioned [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
It gets cold enough that we can see the players' breath [ ]
Balk [ ]
Runner picked off []
Reggie Jackson pointed out in the crowd [ ]
   83. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 07:58 PM (#4268309)
By the way, I think we need to take:
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
off the List. I'm pretty sure the New Yorker article about Girardi said he transferred all his binder stuff onto an iPad.
   84. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4268312)
Idiot runs on field? In NYC? Never............
   85. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:00 PM (#4268313)
LET'S GO YANKEES!
   86. VoodooR Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:01 PM (#4268317)
BTW, for this series the Baby Walrus will be joined by the Baby Tiger.


Or, for those that prefer: Baby Yankee. Your "cuteness' mileage may vary.
   87. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:02 PM (#4268318)
Wow, that's got to be some kind of record ... 20 seconds into the preamble and I reached over and turned the bullshit off.

Sweet Jesus, why can't they just give us a crowd feed???
   88. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:03 PM (#4268319)
I guess I didn't watch a lot of SNY this year, does Darling always look this...doughy? I seem to remember him looking slimmer.
   89. VoodooR Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:04 PM (#4268321)
86 = FAIL.
   90. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4268323)
Quite a bit of stupidity there in the intro.

"Andy Pettitte, all he knows how to do is win in the postseason."

He has 11 postseason losses.

"The Tigers have the best pitcher in Verlander, the best run producer maybe in Fielder, and the Triple Crown winner in Cabrera."

Two of those things make less than zero sense together.
   91. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:05 PM (#4268324)
I have been chased away from our two televisions by mrs fra paolo (movie-watching) and fra paoletta the younger (different movie-watching). I have to make do with GameDay Audio for a bit. At least fra paoletta the elder had the kindness to go out to the cinema.
   92. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4268326)
"Delmon Young is the DH" is not a phrase you'd expect to hear in the ALCS.
   93. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:08 PM (#4268327)
Yes, Andy Pettite still has 'The Stare'.

That's some insightful scounting there ...
   94. mex4173 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:10 PM (#4268328)
Rick Sutcliffe - Pettitte should be in the Hall of Fame because he has so many postseason innings/starts.
   95. Chip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:11 PM (#4268330)
Empty seats everywhere.
   96. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:12 PM (#4268331)
Empty seats everywhere.


Everywhere, or just in the 1% seats?
   97. Chip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:13 PM (#4268332)
Looks like empty seats in the outfield, as well as down the line behind the hedge funder seats.
   98. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:15 PM (#4268334)
Wait, is this a TBS or ESPN crew?
   99. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4268338)
Bunt [X]
   100. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4268339)
TBS crew.
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