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Saturday, October 13, 2012

LCS Round Day One: Tigers at Yankees

Sunday, October 13, 2012: Detroit Tigers (Fister) at New York Yankees (Pettitte)
Game 1 of Best of 7 series. 8:00 PM, TBS.

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   301. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4268563)
By the way, I'm glad they won the ALDS--because Baltimore just wasn't that good a team--but it is nice of the Yankees to just play awful in the LCS and remind me once again how much I despise this particular assemblage.
Dude, your team is in the LCS. You don't get to hate them.
   302. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4268564)
Did the Tigers know what they were doing when they traded for him last year or they got lucky?


I think they did, though he'd be really successful for a relatively short time with Seattle. They traded away a bunch of AAAA players. Casper Wells and Charlie Furbush have been on the Seattle roster, but they hardly have produced like The Fist.
   303. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:05 PM (#4268565)
[300] Pretty much sums up how I feel as well. See [284]
   304. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:06 PM (#4268566)

CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem [X ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Strike Out of Side [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Caught stealing []
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ X]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Bunt [X]
Verlander in dugout [ X]
Sabathia in dugout [ ]
Trout mentioned (fish or ballplayer) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
A-Rod strikes out (assuming he even plays) [ X]
Raul Ibanez is a effing clutch god [ ]
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
Shutdown inning [X ]
Game goes past midnight [ ]
Girardi's playing career [X ]
Prince Fielder goes deep [ ]
Is Cabrera going to be MVP? [ ]
Yogi sighting []
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Ty Cobb mentioned [ ]
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Mariano Rivera mentioned [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
It gets cold enough that we can see the players' breath [ ]
Balk [ ]
Runner picked off []
Reggie Jackson pointed out in the crowd [ ]
   305. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:07 PM (#4268568)
I ####### hate this iteration of the Yankees too.
   306. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4268569)
I ####### hate this iteration of the Yankees too.



Jeez, were the Orioles the only team in the AL East this year that their fans loved?
   307. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:08 PM (#4268570)
Hey, I hate this group of Yankees as well.

Of course, that doesn't make them unusual at all for a Yankee team.
   308. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:09 PM (#4268571)
Dude, your team is in the LCS. You don't get to hate them
There's a serious chance this team could win the World Series, and still end up below the 2001 and 2003 teams on my list of favorite Yankee squads.

Well, no, let me rephrase that. There's not a serious chance this team sustains enough offense to win the World Series, but if they somehow did, they still might still rank below the 2001 and 2003 teams on my list of favorite Yankee squads.

They just come up small all the time, and have for weeks now.
   309. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:09 PM (#4268572)
Did the Tigers know what they were doing when they traded for him last year or they got lucky?

I think they knew he would be solid but not that he would have these dominant stretches. They gave up a young 3B wo could still be good. The other guys were nothing special.
   310. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:09 PM (#4268573)
Jeez, were the Orioles the only team in the AL East this year that their fans loved?


I think 2 of the 3 Rays fans loved their team.
   311. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4268576)
Well, this sure isn't Andy's fault ...
   312. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4268577)
Still Love Andy, though. Yankee fans have a soft spot for dumb Cajun lefties who can deal.
   313. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4268578)
Dude, your team is in the LCS. You don't get to hate them.

Pulling from page 1...

I'll never understand this hatred for America's Team


Maybe, I don't know, it's partly their fans or something.
   314. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4268579)
Now who was Pettitte angry with, there?
   315. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4268580)
So, how is an Avisail Garcia starting for the Tigers? I read some allusions to the fact that Ryan Raburn sucks, but is that really all there is to it? Did someone else get injured, too?
   316. bobm Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:11 PM (#4268581)
Darling: "catchers like to call what they can't hit"

Really?
   317. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4268582)
Maybe, I don't know, it's partly their fans or something.
Hey! I'm still rooting for them. I just hate them. That's perfect logical.
   318. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4268583)


I think 2 of the 3 Rays fans loved their team.


I totally saw that coming, and yet I still chuckled.
   319. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:12 PM (#4268584)
What the ####?! Derek ####### Lowe?
   320. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4268585)
I hope Miggy Cabrera his a homer on general ####### prnciple
   321. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:13 PM (#4268586)
@316: I've heard that forever. No idea if it's true or not. I'd guess bad catcher might do that. But you can also see why someone would do that.
   322. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4268587)
And Derek Lowe retires Miguel Cabrera. Some ####### MVP Cabrera is!
   323. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:14 PM (#4268588)
what is Pettitte being such a ######### about ?
   324. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:15 PM (#4268589)
It fits in your ears.
   325. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4268592)
@316: I've heard that forever. No idea if it's true or not. I'd guess bad catcher might do that. But you can also see why someone would do that.

I've heard that forever, too, though I can't think of a particular catcher associated with the claim.
Was it Whitey Herzog who supposedly loved curveball pitchers, because he could not hit a curveball himself, when he was playing?
   326. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:19 PM (#4268593)
I fear we may be going an inning too far, Mr Leyland.
   327. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:21 PM (#4268594)
So, how is an Avisail Garcia starting for the Tigers?

As noted Raburn achieved new depths of suckitude. Young is no lponger an OF. Their defense is BETTER with Fielder at 1b, Miggy at 3b, and Young at DH.

Other choices are Berry, Boesch, Kelly, all LH. They had Jeff Baker for a couple of weeks but he didn't it and they dumped him and went with Garcia instead. They really need an .800 OPS RH corner OF who can catch the ball. Garcia isn't it.
   328. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4268595)
So, how is an Avisail Garcia starting for the Tigers? I read some illusions to the fact that Ryan Raburn sucks, but is that really all there is to it? Did someone else get injured, too?

They came into the season without much depth in the outfield. They had Jackson, who was supposed to be pretty good (and of course played way above expectations this year). They had Brennan Boesch, whom the fans and presumably the front office expected to be decent-to-very-good. Then they had Raburn, who was expected to be an option at second base as well, and Dirks. Young was supposed to be able to play the outfield if necessary, and Kelly was the emergency fill-in. When all of these guys after Jackson hit poorly (some of whom never should have been expected to hit in the first place), their best minor league options were Berry and (apparently) Garcia. Why didn't they trade for a better outfielder at the deadline? I have no idea.

Edit: Coke to Tim.
   329. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:22 PM (#4268596)
Thank god. Enough of this fister fellow.
   330. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4268597)
@325: sounds right (about Whitey). And it does sound like an urban legend in baseball. My guess is there were some dullard catchers way back in the day who did just this, it became a story and then a legend and then an axiom of received baseball wisdom.


I've heard it enough that I think it gets coached out. My experience was always that catchers called what we got the last guy out with. Since I really only had straight pitches with different sorts of spin, it didn't matter much.
   331. JE (Jason) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:23 PM (#4268598)
They really need an .800 OPS RH corner OF who can catch the ball. Garcia isn't it.

But how can that be? Isn't he supposed to be a baby Miggy?
   332. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4268599)
So will the Tigers be in on Hamilton? Move him to RF?
   333. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4268600)
Why didn't they trade for a better outfielder at the deadline?

Alfonso Soriano was available.
   334. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4268601)
To Miller 64, to Miller 64! It's lower-fat beer / but it won't make you queer / to Miller 64!

--implied message of the commercial
   335. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:24 PM (#4268602)
Mr Leyland's been getting a bit quicker with the hook than he was in the regular season, but he'll still push his luck.
   336. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:25 PM (#4268603)
Name someone worse than Rick Sutcliffe. I dare you to try.
   337. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4268605)
Name someone worse than Rick Sutcliffe. I dare you to try.

OK.
   338. The_Ex Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:26 PM (#4268606)
Quotes from after the game....

Pettitte: I was just angry with myself, I didn't want to show Joe up in any way

Girardi: Andy is a competitor, he really wanted to stay in and win that game.


Translation.... Pettitte: Why did that prick take me out for Derek Lowe?

Girardi: Stop being a prick, you are losing, over 100 pitches and just put a guy on base.
   339. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4268607)
As a lefty coming up with the Yankees, Coke was clearly mentored by Sabathia.
   340. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:27 PM (#4268608)
Thanks for the responses, guys.
   341. Davo's Favorite Tacos Are Moose Tacos Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4268609)
Detroit Tigers right fielders on the season: 235/285/357
   342. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:28 PM (#4268610)
Name someone worse than Rick Sutcliffe


Is there a character limit on this thread?
   343. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4268612)
Alfonso Soriano was available.

I'm not sure if Dombrowski was allowed to take on any more payroll, but Soriano honestly would have made some sense for them. And at any rate, when your right fielders are producing at a level well below replacement, it isn't hard to find a superior option somewhere.
   344. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4268613)
Name someone worse than Rick Sutcliffe. I dare you to try.

Raul Ibanez.
   345. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4268614)
Name someone worse than Rick Sutcliffe. I dare you to try.


1) The person who hired him to provide colour commentary on playoff games broadcast to foreigners and servicemen and women across the world.

2) The person who thought it was a good idea to broadcast the international feed in Canada with no second option.

Sutcliffe is worse than incompetent, but I blame his enablers more than himself.
   346. JE (Jason) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:29 PM (#4268615)
This is old-school Cano. He's swinging at everything, no matter where the pitch is headed.

EDIT: In fairness, most of the pitches have either been in the strike zone or pretty close.
   347. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4268616)
Was there any reason for Boesch's collapse? Was he always crappy and just playing out of his mind last year?
   348. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:30 PM (#4268617)
Old school is the new school
   349. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:33 PM (#4268618)
COKE!
   350. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:34 PM (#4268619)
Was there any reason for Boesch's collapse? Was he always crappy and just playing out of his mind last year?


Right. Big powerful guy who can get in a groove but good pitchers make him look silly once they know not to throw him a strike.
   351. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:35 PM (#4268621)
Everything goes better with Coke.
   352. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4268622)
Feelin' Young!
   353. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:37 PM (#4268623)
Delmon!
   354. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4268624)
haha
   355. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4268625)
Delmon Young shall avenge the 2000s Twins teams!
   356. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4268626)
Delmon!?!
   357. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4268627)
Delmon, I take it all back.
   358. Justin T steals bases with his bat Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:38 PM (#4268628)
I knew I smelled one from Delmon tonight!
   359. NJ in DC (Now with Wife!) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4268629)
#### Girardi. Seriously.
   360. Justin T steals bases with his bat Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4268630)
That's amazing, all-time HR leader for the franchise in the postseason. Holy cow.
   361. crict Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4268631)
Was there an Ebola virus outbreak in the Yankees bullpen?
   362. JE (Jason) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:39 PM (#4268632)
Assuming the score holds, you know that the WFAN mongos are going to be in complete panic mode right up until tomorrow afternoon's first pitch.
   363. Chip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:40 PM (#4268633)
D-Lowe out of pixie dust.
   364. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4268634)
Has Delmon always been so... rotund? Or is this what happens when you DH full time?
   365. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:41 PM (#4268635)
That's amazing, all-time HR leader for the franchise in the postseason. Holy cow.


Although, again, keep in mind again the increase in playoff games over the years. Just like how Andy Pettitte may have more wins than anyone else, but that doesn't mean he's "better" in the PS than Ford, etc.
   366. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:42 PM (#4268636)
Delmon is probably the only Tiger who can't make me happy by homering in this series... so naturally, he does.
   367. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:43 PM (#4268639)
I know we are a little slower out here in Australia, but can anyone tell me why Lowe was pitching??
   368. JE (Jason) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:44 PM (#4268641)
See what happens when you take a pitch, Baby Miggy?
   369. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4268643)
I know we are a little slower out here in Australia, but can anyone tell me why Lowe was pitching??

No.
   370. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4268644)
See what happens when you take a pitch, Baby Miggy?

I'm not sure that taking two called strikes to make the count 0-2 is a great example of the benefits of plate discipline.
   371. Lassus Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4268645)
I just got in, so I'm sorry if this is already a thing, but has the stadium been this ####### dead all night?
   372. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4268646)
Avisail Garcia is 21, and now he's got 2 post-season RBI.
   373. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:45 PM (#4268647)
I know we are a little slower out here in Australia, but can anyone tell me why Lowe was pitching??

I guess Girardi can. He'll be explaining it, postgame.
   374. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4268649)
Oh, wait, here it is:

Was there an Ebola virus outbreak in the Yankees bullpen?


THAT must be it.
   375. PreservedFish Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:47 PM (#4268650)
Delmon Young looks like Willie Randolph's older, chunkier brother.
   376. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:48 PM (#4268652)
Delmon Young looks like Willie Randolph's older, chunkier brother.


What does this make Dmitri?
   377. Tulo's Fishy Mullet (mrams) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:49 PM (#4268654)
but has the stadium been this ####### dead all night?


I haven't been to that many Yankee games in the Bronx, but for my money, the moat has killed the vibe in the Bronx. It was (and I almost never pull for the Yanks) one of the best atmospheres in any stadium/arena/fieldhouse I've ever been to, and now it is shopping mall.
   378. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:50 PM (#4268656)
I just got in, so I'm sorry if this is already a thing, but has the stadium been this ####### dead all night?
The luxury field box section looks 60% full, tops.
   379. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4268657)
No, not Benoit! NOOOOO!
   380. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4268658)
The luxury field box section looks 60% full, tops.


That Occupy Wall Street didn't last long enough to take over that area via flash-mob is one of the great tragedies of the piss-poor way that movement was run.
   381. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:52 PM (#4268659)
Turning Teixeira around is not a good thing, Ron.
   382. The Ghost of Sox Fans Past Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:53 PM (#4268660)
Don't pull Coke - it's only ARod.
   383. I Am Not a Number Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:54 PM (#4268661)
Broadcaster rule of thumb: turning a switch-hitter around is always good, regardless of platoon splits.
   384. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4268662)
A-Rod pinch hit for! I totally need to put that in the checklist for future games.
   385. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4268663)
Thinking about the Dawson State Farm commercial further... Maybe Andre disappeared into the ivy while playing for the Marlins, and ended up putting on a Cubs uniform that someone else had lost in the ivy when his Florida jersey disintegrated after being worn for several years.
   386. Los Angeles El Hombre de Anaheim Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4268664)
Jackson on his horse!!
   387. Matt Clement of Alexandria Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:56 PM (#4268665)
That's a gold glove play.
   388. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4268666)
Broadcaster rule of thumb: turning a switch-hitter around is always good, regardless of platoon splits.

Just leave the same guy in, then, and have him alternate hands pitch-by-pitch.
   389. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:57 PM (#4268667)
Nice grab Austin.
   390. PreservedFish Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4268668)
Honestly, Dmitri Young looks younger than Delmon. Dmitri looks youthful and joyous, even if obese. Delmon has Randolph's 50 year old constipated worry face.
   391. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4268669)
Just catching up on the thread. Gamingboy, Fister struck out the side in the 6th, despite also loading the bases that inning.
   392. Phil Coorey is a T-Shirt Salesman Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:58 PM (#4268670)

Nice grab Austin.


Made it look easy
   393. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4268671)
A-Rod pinch hit for! I totally need to put that in the checklist for future games.

And in the event that he's on the bench to start a game, the item should change to "A-Rod pinch-hits."
   394. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 10:59 PM (#4268672)
Rockets off of Benoit.
   395. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4268674)
Phew! That was nerve-wracking.
   396. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4268675)
Just catching up on the thread. Gamingbot, Fister struck out the side in the 6th, despite also loading the bases that inning.


Thanks. I hate those innings that ruin my concentration.
   397. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4268676)
Granderson comes to Benoit's rescue.
   398. JE (Jason) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:00 PM (#4268677)
It really did look on one of the replays that Garcia saved a home run on that shot from Swisher.
   399. PreservedFish Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:02 PM (#4268678)
That Occupy Wall Street didn't last long enough to take over that area via flash-mob is one of the great tragedies of the piss-poor way that movement was run.

They really should have targeted places like this. Mansions in the Hamptons, steakhouses, boutiques, clubs, etc. It would have been chaos.
   400. Hey - you and Tommy Lasorda...I hate Tommy Lasorda Posted: October 13, 2012 at 11:03 PM (#4268679)
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