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Saturday, October 13, 2012

LCS Round Day One: Tigers at Yankees

Sunday, October 13, 2012: Detroit Tigers (Fister) at New York Yankees (Pettitte)
Game 1 of Best of 7 series. 8:00 PM, TBS.

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   101. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4268340)
Why bunt with a guy that can't find the strikezone ?
   102. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4268341)
I think Sutcliffe does the games for the international radio feed.
   103. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:19 PM (#4268342)
Empty seats everywhere.


I ####### HATE NYS.
   104. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4268344)

CHECKLIST:
Conradian Play []
Web Gem [ ]
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning [ ]
Strike Out of Side [ ]
Dramatic late-inning homer [ ]
Stolen base [ ]
Caught stealing []
Shapeshifting strikezone [ ]
Replay review [ ]
Inning-Ending DP [ ]
Play at the plate [ ]
Baserunning blunder [ ]
Bunt [ X]
THIS TRAIN! [X]
Bunt []
Verlander in dugout [ ]
Sabathia in dugout [ ]
Trout mentioned (fish or ballplayer) [ ]
Miguel Cabrera does something awesome [ ]
Ichiro does something awesome [ ]
A-Rod strikes out (assuming he even plays) [ ]
Raul Ibanez is a effing clutch god [ ]
Image of Girardi looking at binder [ ]
Shutdown inning [ ]
Game goes past midnight [ ]
Girardi's playing career [ ]
Prince Fielder goes deep [ ]
Is Cabrera going to be MVP? [ ]
Yogi sighting []
Mention of Jeter getting/closing in on his 200th postseason hit []
Ty Cobb mentioned [ ]
Babe Ruth mentioned [ ]
Mariano Rivera mentioned [ ]
Idiot runs on the field [ ]
It gets cold enough that we can see the players' breath [ ]
Balk [ ]
Runner picked off []
Reggie Jackson pointed out in the crowd [ ]
   105. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:20 PM (#4268346)
Is it just me or are we seeing a lot of out of context stats from TBS? That bit about Laird's error-less streak, how impressive is that? I really don't know.
   106. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:21 PM (#4268347)
[99][102] Thanks, that solves things.
   107. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4268348)
What TBS is trying to say is: "The Yankees: They didn't hit quite a shitty as Baltimore did."
   108. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4268349)
That bit about Laird's error-less streak, how impressive is that? I really don't know.

Only one MLB catcher made more than 7 errors this year. (Can anyone name him?)

So it doesn't seem incredibly impressive.
   109. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:22 PM (#4268350)
Verlander in dugout [X]
   110. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4268351)
verlander in dugout
   111. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:23 PM (#4268352)
(Can anyone name him?)


Thole?
   112. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:27 PM (#4268354)
Who is this guy, and what did he do with the real Doug Fister?
   113. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268355)
Holbrook calls infield fly there.
   114. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268356)
A-Rod chokes by grounding into a FC. Of course he does. Nice play by Peralta.
   115. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268357)
1-2-3-4-5-6 inning
   116. Jick Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268358)
All four of the balls to Ibanez were in the zone according to Gameday. Does Kellogg's zone look that tiny in real life?
   117. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268359)
Thole?

As it happens, I was actually looking at the AL only table; there were actually 3 catchers with 10+ errors. Thole was not one, though.

Ibanez looked safe, I thought. Replay... nope, out by a fraction.
   118. Depressoteric feels Royally blue these days Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268360)
Okay, may I be first person to offer the obligatory "WTF?" to Jeff Kellogg's strike zone tonight?

And...oh dear, A-Rod...oh dear.

EDIT: Coke to Jick.
   119. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:28 PM (#4268362)
####.

Lady Luck wouldn't piss on Alex Rodriguez if he were on fire.

Sigh.
   120. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4268363)
They showed one replay angle that you can't see anything and the announcer says "as usual replay shows umpire is right"....I don't get it
   121. Random Transaction Generator Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:29 PM (#4268364)
To be fair to ARod, if that was Jeter at SS it would have been a base hit.
   122. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:30 PM (#4268365)
All of those replay angles were kind of crappy.
   123. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4268367)
just saw the right angle. got him.

I wonder if I am behind you guys a tick watching here in China
   124. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:31 PM (#4268368)
I was going to renew my request to include A-Rod Redemption [ ] in the Checklist, but the moment passed. Maybe he's waiting for something more dramatic than the 1st inning.
   125. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:32 PM (#4268369)
Last one they showed was pretty clear. Good call.

And I'd be encouraged, if I were a yankee fan. That was a well hit ball.
   126. The_Ex Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4268370)
After three walks in the inning A-Rod swings at the first pitch.
   127. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:33 PM (#4268371)
"63 RBIs for a shortstop is HUGE"???

Time for the mute button again ...
   128. Austin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4268373)
#126 - I don't think I agree with the reasoning. It seems just as likely that after a coaching visit, the starter would throw a meatball on the first pitch just for the sake of finally getting a strike.
   129. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:37 PM (#4268374)
Pettite already set up pretty well to go deep in this game with two quick innings

Fister had 24 pitches in first....if he needs to be pulled early who is Detroits first middle inning reliever choice usually ?
   130. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:38 PM (#4268375)
if he needs to be pulled early who is Detroits first middle inning reliever choice usually ?


Is Porcello on the roster?
   131. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4268377)
Nice first pitch ball to Jeter, clown.
   132. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:42 PM (#4268378)
Porcello or Smyly if early. Albuquerque. Dotel and/or Coke later.
   133. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4268379)
Is the TBS strike zone off? Ball 1 to Jeter was right down the middle according to it, though it looked like it was over the outside corner or so to me.
   134. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4268380)
Wait, Sutcliffe is doing the commentary on TBS? I tuned in and left to cook dinner, I assumed that the Canadian station was using the international feed like they sometimes do, and I was annoyed because there wasn't another option.

Why the hell would you use Sutcliffe by choice?
   135. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4268381)
200th career PS hit [X]
   136. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:43 PM (#4268382)
He's not.
   137. Jick Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4268384)
133 - down the middle on Gameday, too. And the third pitch, the called strike, was in the exact same location.
   138. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4268385)
200th career post season hit
   139. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4268386)
JETER'S 200th PLAYOFF HIT [X]!
   140. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:44 PM (#4268387)
Standard Jeter hit. Standard Ichiro hit.
   141. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4268388)
"The bases are loaded again"

"But this time they are loaded for the right guy"

Burn !!!
   142. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:45 PM (#4268389)
Sigh... this series will be a sad time for anyone who likes watching good defense at shortstop.
   143. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:46 PM (#4268390)
The late timeouts...grrrr.....so bad
   144. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4268391)
That was the definition of a carnival play.
   145. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4268392)
Ooh...perhaps not a great call. I need another replay.
   146. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4268393)
Sigh... this series will be a sad time for anyone who likes watching good defense at shortstop.

Jhonny Peralta appears to disagree with me on this. That was pretty sweet.
   147. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4268394)
Whew!!!!
   148. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:47 PM (#4268395)
Cano was safe
   149. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4268396)
############.

###################.

FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK.
   150. Dog on the sidewalk Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4268397)
Jon Sterling is insufferable.
   151. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4268398)
Two hard hit balls with the bases loaded. No results.
   152. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4268399)
I think he was safe by whatever one frame is on a DVR.
   153. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:48 PM (#4268400)
RB that was the best call ever! Loved it.
   154. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4268401)
Fister might be out. I want to see him in the dugout. That went right off his hand.
   155. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4268402)
You are a cruel mistress, lady luck.
   156. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4268403)
RB that was the best call ever! Loved it.
Just remember that when one goes the other way!
   157. Biff, highly-regarded young guy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4268404)
Two hard hit balls with the bases loaded. No results.

Of course, the Jeter hit and Ichiro hit to load the bases were not exactly hard hit balls.
   158. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:49 PM (#4268405)
133 - down the middle on Gameday, too. And the third pitch, the called strike, was in the exact same location.


Are they using different data? If pitch 1 was down the middle, I'm guessing Fister missing location and Avila moving so much to catch it is why it was called a ball (and maybe that threw off my perception too). I'd like to see a replay of the actual pitch, because if Gameday and TBS are accurate this zone is unacceptable.
   159. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4268406)
Safe.
   160. 'zop sympathizes with the wrong ####### people Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4268407)
Safe. Oh well. A close call more than a bad one.
   161. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:50 PM (#4268408)
The tie does not, technically, go to the runner.
   162. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4268409)
Just remember that when one goes the other way!

No more bad calls will go against my team this year.


I dare say Fister won't get out of loaded bases without a run a third time.
   163. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:51 PM (#4268410)
Hm, I don't have a "blown call" thing on the checklist today. Whoops.
   164. RB in NYC (Now Semi-Retired from BBTF) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4268411)
I dare say Fister won't get out of loaded bases without a run a third time.
You'd think so, but clearly you've not watched enough of the Yankees this season.
   165. You Know Nothing JT Snow (YR) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4268412)
Safe.
   166. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:52 PM (#4268413)
"Laird leading off the third"???
   167. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:54 PM (#4268415)
"He's done"..."He's Done"
   168. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 08:59 PM (#4268417)
Wow.....anti sabermetrics rant cuz tex gets a hit through the shift....the same shift they have been using since Ted Williams played the game.....


   169. Good cripple hitter Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:00 PM (#4268418)
I wish Fire Joe Morgan was around to cover Sutcliffe. "All those sabermetricians and those geniuses, if they'd left baseball the way it was after Doubleday invented it, that wouldn't have been a hit".

I can't even tell if he's serious when he says that, it's so absurdly stupid.
   170. bunyon Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4268419)
booooo booooooooooooooo
   171. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4268420)
I'm kind of surprised that Darling didn't use the Teixeira single as a reason to go on about why the shift is dumb, since he can still get a hit through it.
   172. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4268421)
I am so glad that I am not watching Sutcliffe.
   173. Tom Cervo, backup catcher Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4268422)
Wow.....anti sabermetrics rant cuz tex gets a hit through the shift....the same shift they have been using since Ted Williams played the game.....


Especially considering how many hits the shift has taken away from Tex.
   174. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:01 PM (#4268423)
Peralta for Gold Glove!

J-honny iron in his pants Peralta
   175. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:02 PM (#4268424)
"All those sabermetricians and those geniuses, if they'd left baseball the way it was after Doubleday invented it, that wouldn't have been a hit".

The middle infielders wouldn't have been wearing gloves. I think the ball still gets through.

Of course, Fister would have been pitching underhanded, and from 45 feet away...
   176. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4268425)
####### Alex.
   177. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:03 PM (#4268426)
Ah, so Sutcliffe did the deed on that one. Makes sense. Maybe Darling heard him in the next booth over and was like "Okay, even I'm not as dumb as this prick so I just won't touch this one."
   178. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:04 PM (#4268427)
Storms in Michigan disrupting satellite reception. Sh*t!
   179. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4268429)
HAH!
   180. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:06 PM (#4268430)
Toa diving Jeter.

Edit: Followed by pasta standing Jeter.
   181. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:07 PM (#4268431)
Delmon will go deep here.
   182. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4268433)
I'm not quite getting the Peralta hate.

bWAR has him as league avg defender and league avg hitter over the last 4 season.

UZR had him a big positive this year, which seems like an outlier, except over the last 4 years combined he ranks 5th in UZR/150

   183. Justin T., Director of Somethin Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:11 PM (#4268434)
Ehhh...
   184. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4268435)
Peralta was a bad defender by the end of his time with Cleveland. He seems to be average now, but it is kind of hard to believe that he's improved as he's gotten older and moved back to SS.
   185. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4268436)
It sure will be nice to have a designated "hitter" next year when VMart gets back. What sucker is going to pay Delmon to play a horrible LF or DH and hit like a mediocre 2B?
   186. The John Wetland Memorial Death (CoB) Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:13 PM (#4268437)
Nice at bat, Cornflake.

Seriously, "great" post-season.

Again.
   187. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:14 PM (#4268438)
Heh, Cornflake.
   188. Best Regards, President of Comfort, Esq. Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4268439)
Apparently the secret to pitching is to get hit in the wrist.
   189. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:15 PM (#4268440)
I think the camera is at a weird angle. The inside pitches look down the middle and the pitches over the plate look outside.
   190. fra paolo Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4268441)
I'm joining the 'This Umpire Is Horrible' chorus.
   191. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:16 PM (#4268442)
Apparently the secret to pitching is to get hit in the wrist.


I can't remember, what happened to noted Cubs ace Henry Rowengartner?
   192. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:18 PM (#4268443)
Peralta was a bad defender by the end of his time with Cleveland. He seems to be average now, but it is kind of hard to believe that he's improved as he's gotten older and moved back to SS.


fwiw, BP's FRAA has him -6 this year, but almost exactly avg over the last 4 combined.

Maybe he has learned improved positioning making up for lack of range or something. Anyway...seems league average to me, and clearly still capable of making some athletic plays.
   193. JJ1986 Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4268444)
TBS just spelled Willie Mays' last name incorrectly.
   194. Chip Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:22 PM (#4268445)
They spelled Willie Mays's name wrong on the TBS graphic. "Willie Mayes." Seriously.
   195. Tim D Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:23 PM (#4268447)
Re 184:

I don't really know what the numbers are but:

Peralta is a slow baserunner;

Cleveland moved him to 3B when his range deteriorated seriously;

He got in really good shape at the beginning of 2011 (although he has never really had a SS type shape in any event)

He hit like crazy last year and suddenly everybody marvelled at how his defense had recovered as well;

He hit poorly this year and everybody grumbles he can't get to anything.

He is what he has always been; a sure handed, average to less than average range shortstop with some pop and strike zone issues that expose him to prolonged slumps. In today's game he is a $6M player which is what he is getting.

I wish with their staff that they had a ground ball vacuum cleaner on-base machine, who cares about his power. But there aren't a lot of those around.


   196. Gamingboy Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:24 PM (#4268448)
They spelled Willie Mays's name wrong on the TBS graphic. "Willie Mayes." Seriously.


Carl Ripken is stunned.
   197. Voros McCracken of Pinkus Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:25 PM (#4268449)
I do wonder what would happen if Delmon got himself in shape. Maybe it would make little to no difference, but his current physical condition sure doesn't seem to be helping any.
   198. The Ghost's Tryin' to Reason with Hurricane Season Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:26 PM (#4268450)
I get here late and near 200 posts - I'd better get quippy quickly.
   199. shoewizard Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:27 PM (#4268452)
I wish with their staff that they had a ground ball vacuum cleaner on-base machine, who cares about his power. But there aren't a lot of those around.


Thats kind of what I'm getting at. Somehow peralta ia a league avg defender with a little bit of pop and a properly valued contract. To me thats a plus, and when your team has splurged big in other areas, you need guys that just aren't a major mistake to fill the other spots.




   200. Jick Posted: October 13, 2012 at 09:28 PM (#4268453)
TBS just spelled Willie Mays' last name incorrectly.


I think we each need to report them to the FCC for being grotesquely offensive.
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