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Legendary baseball broadcaster gripes about LeBron James wading in political waters

““Well, I used to watch LeBron but no more,” Harrelson said.”

Legendary? 

Jeepers, stick around long enough, and you’re ‘legendary’.

Lest we forget Posted: September 05, 2018 at 08:26 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: hawk harrelson, lebron james, politics, white sox

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   1. The elusive Robert Denby Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:11 AM (#5738817)
On the positive side, in less than a month Hawk will be retired.
   2. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:42 AM (#5738843)
He's legendary in that future generations will doubt he ever really existed.
   3. Mark Edward Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:48 AM (#5738849)
As a White Sox fan, I'll usually stan for Hawk- he's basically the only Sox TV play-by-play man in my lifetime.

But he was super obnoxious on Sunday. He also bashed Donald Fehr during his pre-game speech, blaming him for the '94 strike (incidentally he had nothing but praise Jerry Reinsdorf throughout the speech).

Hawk's playing career was way before my time- was he active in the MLBPA?
   4. Howie Menckel Posted: September 05, 2018 at 09:58 AM (#5738854)
   5. Joe Bivens is NOT a clueless numpty Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:00 AM (#5738860)
Don't know about his unionism, but I do know that he had a terrible baseball swing. His back foot would flail backwards while his weight was on his front foot. How he hit 35 HRs for the Red Sox in '68 is beyond me.
   6. Batman Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:33 AM (#5738875)
“I wish these guys would keep their nose out of politics and just play because people didn’t come to hear their opinions on politicians.”
I only watch Sox games to hear Hawk's opinions on basketball players' opinions on politicians.

From the headline, I was hoping the legendary broadcaster wasn't Vin Scully. I'm glad it's somebody I already don't respect.
   7. BDC Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:46 AM (#5738880)
How he hit 35 HRs for the Red Sox in '68 is beyond me


I believe that Harrelson has the fewest career RBI (421) by an RBI champion (109 in 1968), at least since they started counting RBI. There are a few players from deadball days with fewer, including a Federal Leaguer named Dutch Zwilling and someone named Joe Nealon for the 1906 Pirates, who died when he was 25 years old.

I say that, but at least the last dozen posts I have made in baseball threads have been factually incorrect, so somebody will probably come to the rescue with the right information :) It's just an interesting example of somebody who had a couple of pretty good seasons but literally nothing else at the major-league level.
   8. Fernigal McGunnigle Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:54 AM (#5738888)
Don't know about his unionism, but I do know that he had a terrible baseball swing. His back foot would flail backwards while his weight was on his front foot. How he hit 35 HRs for the Red Sox in '68 is beyond me.
This surprises me; Harrelson is extremely knowledgeable about the mechanics of hitting. What's eternally frustrating about him is that he only breaks this knowledge out about once every six weeks, and then only in the service of talking about a White Sox hitter. But there are these little glimmers where you realize that in some alternative universe there is a Hawk Harrelson who is a great announcer. He geeks out about hitting every night, and is paired with an ex-pitcher (Mike Krukow?) and a restrained play-by-play guy to make up what is alternate-universally acknowledged to be the best booth in the game.

We don't live in that universe.
   9. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:55 AM (#5738889)
including a Federal Leaguer named Dutch Zwilling


Hey!

Everybody should know Dutch... until Tony Zych debuted, Zwilling had the honor of being the last player in the total list of major leaguers when listed alphabetically.

IIRC - it used to be the tagline for those old Baseball Encyclopedias we used to have before Sean freed us from paper.... "From Aaron to Zwilling"...
   10. PreservedFish Posted: September 05, 2018 at 10:58 AM (#5738893)
some alternative universe there is a Hawk Harrelson who is a great announcer


You're asking a lot of my imagination here.
   11. Tom Nawrocki Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:00 AM (#5738896)
I believe that Harrelson has the fewest career RBI (421) by an RBI champion (109 in 1968), at least since they started counting RBI.


I hate to have to tell you this, but Willie McCovey led the NL in RBI that same year with 105.

109 is kind of a floor for an RBI leader; it's happened eight times since the deadball era. But there have also been two 105's in there as well.

EDIT: Oh, wait, I misunderstood what you were saying. You are correct, as far as I can tell.
   12. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:02 AM (#5738899)
never mind
   13. PreservedFish Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:04 AM (#5738905)
Jesus Aguilar, 3rd in RBI, seems like a candidate to match Harrelson's feat.
   14. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:05 AM (#5738906)
He geeks out about hitting every night, and is paired with an ex-pitcher (Mike Krukow?) and a restrained play-by-play guy to make up what is alternate-universally acknowledged to be the best booth in the game.

Steve Stone, once upon a time, was a great color guy in the booth. When the Sox hired him to pair with Hawk, I think some hoped Stone would help Hawk; in fact, the opposite has happened. Of course, Stone is just fine with Benetti, the other PBP the Sox use on every non-Hawk day.

Another problem here is that Hawk is the PBP guy.

The main problem of course remains that he is Hawk.
   15. BDC Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:15 AM (#5738914)
Ah, very good, Zonk, I knew there was some not-strictly-baseball reason that Dutch Zwilling sounded familiar :)

Zwilling was basically a very good high-minors ballplayer (many years for Indianapolis and Kansas City in the old American Association) who only got to shine when the majors went to three leagues.
   16. Moses Taylor, aka Hambone Fakenameington Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:17 AM (#5738918)
Everybody should know Dutch... until Tony Zych debuted, Zwilling had the honor of being the last player in the total list of major leaguers when listed alphabetically.

IIRC - it used to be the tagline for those old Baseball Encyclopedias we used to have before Sean freed us from paper.... "From Aaron to Zwilling"...


Aardsma to Zych doesn't have the same ring.
   17. Zonk is a Doppleclapper Posted: September 05, 2018 at 11:32 AM (#5738931)
Aardsma to Zych doesn't have the same ring.


No, it doesn't -- but two former Cubs relievers!
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 05, 2018 at 12:03 PM (#5738954)
Don't know about his unionism, but I do know that he had a terrible baseball swing. His back foot would flail backwards while his weight was on his front foot. How he hit 35 HRs for the Red Sox in '68 is beyond me.
From what I've seen, that was actually pretty much the standard mechanics of the time. If you look at old videos of, say, Hank Aaron and Frank Robinson, they do the same sort of thing (although probably to a lesser degree, I would think). Power back then was all in the wrists.
   19. Master of the Horse Posted: September 05, 2018 at 12:18 PM (#5738960)
I get Uke still doing radio because he has the crazy funny old uncle thing down to a science but if a guy is just old and angry what fun is that??
   20. Rally Posted: September 05, 2018 at 02:09 PM (#5739026)
"From Aaron to Zwilling"...


Record books were definitely better when the first name in baseball was Aaron, and the first in basketball was Abdul-Jabbar*.

I guess it doesn't matter as much when the records are digital.

*Zaid Abdul-Aziz was in the NBA before Lou Alcindor, but he was still Don Smith when Lew became Kareem.
   21. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: September 05, 2018 at 04:05 PM (#5739135)
I was watching the game when Aardsma made his major league debut, and immediately had an involuntary Darth Vader "NOOOOooooo..." reaction. The announcers didn't mention it until later, while wasting broadcast time about Aardsma's first-ever game and what kind of pitcher he was. What terrible priorities.

If I recall correctly, the 1916 Cubs are the only MLB team with three Z players: Zwilling, Zimmerman and Zeider. Zimmerman also played with Zip Zabel.

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